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Kyrene wrote...

Kyrene wrote...

So my question then:
Do any of your Shepards start having a life of their own in this kind of sense, where they somehow just break away from what you thought they would turn out like? Do you love them more or less for it?

Forgive me if I quote myself here. After my last post I stepped away from ME a bit (this weekend was filled with other stuff including the annual Toy Run with my son–Xavier for whom John Shepard is now named–riding as pillion on the Thruxton and carrying the toys on his back–very important job that else the needy kids don't get them) because running back to back campaigns with Xavier and Kassia (Shepards, not my kids) was getting tedious. So last night I picked up where I left Kassia and she saved little Miss Shadow Sue (was again forced by the game to undergo the mind reaming) and plotted a course for Noveria (briefly stopping by the Citadel for supplies; meta reason to refresh the HMW-selling vendors). She thus met Lt. Zabaleta, and with some tough love managed to convince him to go to the VAO.

While speaking to Hannah Shepard (and to a smaller extent to Ashley about her sisters), I was once again reminded of exactly why Kassia does the things she does. Her mother is military, and she's a military brat who yearns for the affection she never felt ("Not now I'm on duty" or "Oh, it's you"). I have a sneaky suspicion she sent those marines to die on Torfan so that others could feel her pain. Nasty and selfish if true, I know, and it backfired most spectacularly on an emotional level as she is now seen as a 'butcher' (even by her mother I suspect).

Because of all this, and the self-development she has shown (which I know is bullsh*t, it still comes from me driving the character as the player), I've decided that she'll be a Kaimancer at least in this game (will deal with Horizon when it presents itself). She didn't fall into his arms after the "cutting corners" conversation, but did tell him to broach the subject of 'a them' at some later stage. And she called him "Kaiden" instead of "Lieutenant," so that gives me hope she'll find some love before Ilos.

It's going to be hard leaving Ashley behind though, as I personally love her a ton more than Mr. "I'm so grounded I'm a bit of a wet blanket sometimes" Alenko, but at least the roles will be reversed for Xavier.
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In other news, she killed her third maw on foot, even if she nearly froze to death on Xawin doing it. Kai and Ash were heard complaining about the cold, not the maw hunting, over mess dinner that night. They may 'speak freely' and demand no maw hunting again occurs in −131 °C outside the Mako. The fact that Kassia had to carry their 'corpses' to the Mako before they revived may give some merit to that argument.

That's the only criticism i can find against Alenko: because of his rich past experiences and BAat he tends to make too many assumptions - Horizon mostly but also throughout ME 1 - consistent with a protection mechanism from someone who's been hurt in the past and wants to keep things simple ( i have to give him credit for not turning it into cynicism ). But once you get to know him, that facade comes off [ although he does show an interest in Shepard very early on ]
The self development Shepard has shown... What do you mean by that? How has your Shepard develop over the course of ME 1? How did her background impacted that growth? ( I know it is a little bit of a stretch because you're in the middle of a playtrough and Shep might not turn out the way you expect )
Speaking of "Miss Little Shadow Blue" there is a way to trigger an "hallucinating" Liara on her first encounter on Therum; the conversation takes a very interesting turn specially if you pick the renegade option during the conversation. I did more than a dozen ME1 playthroughs and only been able to trigger it once. Does anyone knows how it works please? 

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Oooh, look what I found!

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They ARE the most faithful and trustworthy backup Shepard has available in ME2... to my mind, anyway.  Love this picture because it might as well be Jessica right there.  Minus the makeup of course.

Like it a lot!

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SaturnRing wrote...

Speaking of "Miss Little Shadow Blue" there is a way to trigger an "hallucinating" Liara on her first encounter on Therum; the conversation takes a very interesting turn specially if you pick the renegade option during the conversation. I did more than a dozen ME1 playthroughs and only been able to trigger it once. Does anyone knows how it works please? 

You have to do Therum last, just before the Normandy lockdown and Ilos.

I personally love that order, but it doesn't really make sense from Shepard's standpoint. I can only really see Feros->Therum->Noveria->Virmire or Therum->Noveria->Feros->Virmire being 'logical' routes for Shepard to follow before going to Ilos.

As for your other questions, I'll get to them later, this was just a quicky.

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Nice!

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f1r3storm: Really nice picture you found. Captures her as strongly beautiful.

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^^Aye, really fine looking piece of art.

I have to say that I'm totally hooked by SW:TOR. Sadly the beta test period ended yesterday for me... But anyway, some LotSB screenshots.

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Sable Phoenix wrote...

Oooh, look what I found!

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They ARE the most faithful and trustworthy backup Shepard has available in ME2... to my mind, anyway.  Love this picture because it might as well be Jessica right there.  Minus the makeup of course.

The picture is well drawn, but I disagree with the sentiment. "Faithful" has too wide a meaning. Miranda and Jacob are there for shepard while they're dead while Tali and Garrus have moved on and try to establish their own livs which ultimately fail before they return to the Normandy. Miranda learns everything she can about Shepard to make sure she's the same person she was before her death when the Lazarus project is complete and Jacob is the only one besides LoTSB Liara to actually ask Shepard if everything is alright now that everything has jumped 2 years while she says the same. I value that more than showing up for a mission because things in your life have gone to hell.

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Well...that's not exactly a fair comparison of "faithfulness". Tali and Garrus were Shepard's friends (P). Shepard died, and rather than sobbing into pillows, Shepard's friends, as Jacob said, "moved on". That's life.

But they came back, and joined Shepard despite the fact that he was working for a terrorist organization that has a reputation for offing non-humans.

Miranda and Jacob may have revived Shepard, but that's mostly because that's their jobs-- which is especially true for Miranda. This can later develop into-- well, I wouldn't call it friendship as both Jacob and Miranda remain mostly professional with Shepard if not romanced, but certainly a working relationship.

Of course its up to the player as to whom Shepard is friendliest with, but I feel that Tali and Garrus trust Shepard on a deeper level from the start than Jacob and Miranda.

Of course, this also isn't exactly a fair comparison because J&M met Shepard two years after G&T. So I don't know what to think.

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Kyrene wrote...

So my question then:
Do any of your Shepards start having a life of their own in this kind of sense, where they somehow just break away from what you thought they would turn out like? Do you love them more or less for it?


Oh, yes!  This has happened to me quite a few times.  I'll make a FemShep with every intention of playing them a certain way, then they turn out completely different.

Moira is the biggest one I can think of.  She developed into this attention-grabbing un-apologetic bad girl, who became one of my most interesting and complex characters to date.  Others have swung between alignments wildly. I find the more I play each of my FemSheps, the better defined they become.

I honestly love how they turn out in the end.  It makes me feel like they are all unique.  The unpredictability of it is part of the fun.

BTW, inspired by Sbarge's reading... I decided to write a small fic:

RE: About Horizon

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100k wrote...

Well...that's not exactly a fair comparison of "faithfulness". Tali and Garrus were Shepard's friends (P). Shepard died, and rather than sobbing into pillows, Shepard's friends, as Jacob said, "moved on". That's life.

But they came back, and joined Shepard despite the fact that he was working for a terrorist organization that has a reputation for offing non-humans.

Miranda and Jacob may have revived Shepard, but that's mostly because that's their jobs-- which is especially true for Miranda. This can later develop into-- well, I wouldn't call it friendship as both Jacob and Miranda remain mostly professional with Shepard if not romanced, but certainly a working relationship.

Of course its up to the player as to whom Shepard is friendliest with, but I feel that Tali and Garrus trust Shepard on a deeper level from the start than Jacob and Miranda.

Of course, this also isn't exactly a fair comparison because J&M met Shepard two years after G&T. So I don't know what to think.

modified phrase is the most important. but it can be figured that friendships are forced on the player, especially in the case of Tali's romance since there are options to just shoot her down at every pass in ME1 and the second she steps on the Normandy she's in full on swoon for shepard unless she's female which makes so freaking sense. same for garrus where you can reprimand him for his renegade thinking, urge the hell out of him to rejoin c-sec and 2 years later BAM he's on Omega shooting mercs. Also if he wasn't recruited in ME1 when he's recruited in ME2 he acts like he was on the Normandy when he wasn't.

Also Jacob trust Shepard from the start Miranda takes a little longer because she's afraid Shepard will turn on Cerberus.

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Aislinn Trista wrote...
Oh, yes!  This has happened to me quite a few times.  I'll make a FemShep with every intention of playing them a certain way, then they turn out completely different.

Moira is the biggest one I can think of.  She developed into this attention-grabbing un-apologetic bad girl, who became one of my most interesting and complex characters to date.  Others have swung between alignments wildly. I find the more I play each of my FemSheps, the better defined they become.

I honestly love how they turn out in the end.  It makes me feel like they are all unique.  The unpredictability of it is part of the fun.

BTW, inspired by Sbarge's reading... I decided to write a small fic:

RE: About Horizon

I tried a couple times to write Zody's response to the About Horizon letter and failed each time. This is perfect. Exactly how I see both Zody and Trista responding. :crying:

You have this Kaidanite's stamp of approval.

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ADLegend21 wrote...

modified phrase is the most important. but it can be figured that friendships are forced on the player...


They aren't forced on the player, because Kelly can ask Shepard what her relationship is with Garrus and Tali, and Shepard can choose whether they're friends, crushes, professionals, or alien coworkers. 

same for garrus where you can reprimand him for his renegade thinking, urge the hell out of him to rejoin c-sec and 2 years later BAM he's on Omega shooting mercs.


Well what did you expect him to do after saving the galaxy with Shepard? Go back to C-Sec and push papers? He went to Omega to help the poor and unfortunate, did good work, then his team  was butchered. Its not his fault that Shepard showed up. Shepard was looking for Archangel. 

Also if he wasn't recruited in ME1 when he's recruited in ME2 he acts like he was on the Normandy when he wasn't.


Meh. A writing inconsistency. It was pretty difficult for most players to avoid talking to Garrus, until after they knew they didn't HAVE to talk to him. Most did anyways because he's a total bro.

Also Jacob trust Shepard from the start Miranda takes a little longer because she's afraid Shepard will turn on Cerberus.


I suppose that's true.

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Something odd I only just noticed: Femshep is short. I mean really short. Shorter than just about anyone else - at least anyone else you have on your ship in ME2. There may be one team member that she's taller than but I can't remember who right now.

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Kyrene wrote...

SaturnRing wrote...

Speaking of "Miss Little Shadow Blue" there is a way to trigger an "hallucinating" Liara on her first encounter on Therum; the conversation takes a very interesting turn specially if you pick the renegade option during the conversation. I did more than a dozen ME1 playthroughs and only been able to trigger it once. Does anyone knows how it works please? 

You have to do Therum last, just before the Normandy lockdown and Ilos.

I personally love that order, but it doesn't really make sense from Shepard's standpoint. I can only really see Feros->Therum->Noveria->Virmire or Therum->Noveria->Feros->Virmire being 'logical' routes for Shepard to follow before going to Ilos.

As for your other questions, I'll get to them later, this was just a quicky.

You're correct, but a tiny amendment. You have to do Therum after Feros and Noveria only. Meaning you can do Virmire after Therum.  Small thing, but I think it makes a big difference. To me it doesn't make sense to do Virmire until after the other three.

I got the hallucinating Liara on my first run because I saved Therum for third (I was skeptical about going anywhere near Benezia's daughter). I love that scene, but I do think it's better to do Therum first because the story makes a little more sense that way.

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NanQuan wrote...

Kyrene wrote...

SaturnRing wrote...

Speaking of "Miss Little Shadow Blue" there is a way to trigger an "hallucinating" Liara on her first encounter on Therum; the conversation takes a very interesting turn specially if you pick the renegade option during the conversation. I did more than a dozen ME1 playthroughs and only been able to trigger it once. Does anyone knows how it works please? 

You have to do Therum last, just before the Normandy lockdown and Ilos.

I personally love that order, but it doesn't really make sense from Shepard's standpoint. I can only really see Feros->Therum->Noveria->Virmire or Therum->Noveria->Feros->Virmire being 'logical' routes for Shepard to follow before going to Ilos.

As for your other questions, I'll get to them later, this was just a quicky.

You're correct, but a tiny amendment. You have to do Therum after Feros and Noveria only. Meaning you can do Virmire after Therum.  Small thing, but I think it makes a big difference. To me it doesn't make sense to do Virmire until after the other three.

I got the hallucinating Liara on my first run because I saved Therum for third (I was skeptical about going anywhere near Benezia's daughter). I love that scene, but I do think it's better to do Therum first because the story makes a little more sense that way.

That's the trap i always fall into: chronologically it has to make sense to me.

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ADLegend21 wrote...

100k wrote...

Well...that's not exactly a fair comparison of "faithfulness". Tali and Garrus were Shepard's friends (P). Shepard died, and rather than sobbing into pillows, Shepard's friends, as Jacob said, "moved on". That's life.

But they came back, and joined Shepard despite the fact that he was working for a terrorist organization that has a reputation for offing non-humans.

Miranda and Jacob may have revived Shepard, but that's mostly because that's their jobs-- which is especially true for Miranda. This can later develop into-- well, I wouldn't call it friendship as both Jacob and Miranda remain mostly professional with Shepard if not romanced, but certainly a working relationship.

Of course its up to the player as to whom Shepard is friendliest with, but I feel that Tali and Garrus trust Shepard on a deeper level from the start than Jacob and Miranda.

Of course, this also isn't exactly a fair comparison because J&M met Shepard two years after G&T. So I don't know what to think.

modified phrase is the most important. but it can be figured that friendships are forced on the player, especially in the case of Tali's romance since there are options to just shoot her down at every pass in ME1 and the second she steps on the Normandy she's in full on swoon for shepard unless she's female which makes so freaking sense. same for garrus where you can reprimand him for his renegade thinking, urge the hell out of him to rejoin c-sec and 2 years later BAM he's on Omega shooting mercs. Also if he wasn't recruited in ME1 when he's recruited in ME2 he acts like he was on the Normandy when he wasn't.

Also Jacob trust Shepard from the start Miranda takes a little longer because she's afraid Shepard will turn on Cerberus.

I have to agree with Sable Phoenix  and 100k about T/G faithfullness. But I share ADLegend21 frustration: when it comes to T/G it feels like the choice is taken away from us.Tali or Garrus don't need Shepard's approval or friendship to prove themselves reliable teammates; not until ME2.

Alenko has to feel bad about what he said on Horizon after reading that letter.

Like last Tup3xi shot of LoTSBm.  

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^^I like it too. Turned out nicely.

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Something odd I only just noticed: Femshep is short. I mean really short. Shorter than just about anyone else - at least anyone else you have on your ship in ME2. There may be one team member that she's taller than but I can't remember who right now.

Can't say that I've noticed that. In my opinion she's exactly the same size as others.

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Tup3xi wrote...

^^I like it too. Turned out nicely.

Gespenst wrote...

Something odd I only just noticed: Femshep is short. I mean really short. Shorter than just about anyone else - at least anyone else you have on your ship in ME2. There may be one team member that she's taller than but I can't remember who right now.

Can't say that I've noticed that. In my opinion she's exactly the same size as others.


From what i know FemShep has the same size as the others

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FemShep's skeleton is the same height as males from toes to lower part of the neck, with very little differences at arms setting. Female's neck is a bit shorter and head is smaller, that's all.

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AkodoRyu wrote...

FemShep's skeleton is the same height as males from toes to lower part of the neck, with very little differences at arms setting. Female's neck is a bit shorter and head is smaller, that's all.


So that's the difference. I see.

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Tup3xi wrote...

^^I like it too. Turned out nicely.

Gespenst wrote...

Something odd I only just noticed: Femshep is short. I mean really short. Shorter than just about anyone else - at least anyone else you have on your ship in ME2. There may be one team member that she's taller than but I can't remember who right now.

Can't say that I've noticed that. In my opinion she's exactly the same size as others.

She is the same height as most the female crew members. Namely Kelly, Gabby, Liara, Ashley, and a few of the generic female crew. They all share the same body model just different heads. Miranda, Jack, and Samara have unique models but I haven't noticed them any shorter or taller then Femshep.

About Tali and Garrus, I like them. I was very happy that they joined Shepard in ME2. I wanted Liara, Kaidan, and Wrex to be there too but sadly they were not able to be. Maybe I'm the only one who thinks this but I feel all my Shepard love and care for her entire crew. They have different ways for showing it. Some of Shepards are an eager ear to listen to their problems or a shoulder to cry on. Others more of a bit of tough love.

Tali and Garrus get a lot of attention, which can be frustrating to those of us who are more fans of other squadies. But I simply remember its the fans who are hooting for them and not the game. Yes Garrus was kind of forced as Shepard's best friend. It never mattered to me because I personal see Garrus and Shepard as close in ME1. I loooooooved the teacher/student relationship they had that matured into a strong friendship. Despite what you tell Garrus to do in ME1 he will end up heading to Omega and shoting mercs. I didn't see that as Garrus defying what Shepard told him to do. I see it was Garrus trying to follow in Shepard's footsteps. Even the most paragon of paragon Shepard's still steals the Normandy and chases after Saren, defying orders and committing a major crime that should have landed her in jail for a very very very long time, had she not ending up saving the galaxy. Or possibly even if she had. Garrus did sometime simliar only on a much smaller scale, he seen a problem that wasn't being taking care of and acted on it. Who knows how many little old Volus ladies he saved from being mugged.

As for Tali, I think she loves Shepard. (And I don't mean in a sexual or attraction sense) She has a major case of hero worship for Shepard. She is eager to tell Shepard all about her life on the Fleet. It seems to me she is a young girl who's mother death and father's inattention left her wanting for companionship in a crowded ship. I think she might be a little star stuck and humbled that someone like Shepard wants her on her team.

I see them both as the little brother and sister who want to be like their big sister.

HOWEVER, and this is a big fat however. I don't see Liara, Kaidan, and Wrex as any less loyal and faithful then Tali and Garrus. Because they are not. Liara is the reason Shepard is alive. She was the one who tracked down Shepard's body. That doesn't mean that the others didn't want to do anything. Its just that she was the one who was willing to carry out the grim and almost impossible task of finding Shepard's body. She originally wasn't going to bring Shepard back to life, that was not possible until the Lazarus Project. Cerberus just offer her and tiny glimmer of hope that her dear friend/lover could be brought back.

And Wrex, I like to think it was Shepard who inspired him to return to Tuchanka and unite the clans. Either that or he took the Reaper threat to heart and knew a united Krogan front might give the Reaper pause.

Now Ashley and Kaidan... This is the one that sparks so much flame and arguement. Here is my take on it. Shepard did betray them, the Council, and the Alliance in a way. Was it necessity? Yes. Could there have been a better way? Probably, but finding a better why would have taken time. Time that they really didn't have. Do I agree with Shepard working for Cerberus? Hell no! Kind of wanted to smack her in the head a few times for that. Because here is the facts: Cerberus is a rogue, dangerous, and evil organization led by a man who has his own personal idea of what is best for humanity. Hitler thought killing off an entire group of people would help Germany. Cerberus was responsible for Akuze and torturing Toombs for years. Cerberus was responsible for turning the settlement of Chasca in to Husk. For reasons unknown they killed a man named Banes. Then killed the Alliance marines who founded Bane's body. And tortured and killed Admiral Kahoku for asking questions. Let's not forget they like to shot at Shepard. Those are just the things Kaidan or Ashley would know about from the events of ME1. There are several things just as bad they have done in the books and comics. If I was Kaidan or Ashley and I seen my friend/lover who was sworn in the service of the Alliance military and as a Council Spectre suddenly playing nice with the people who did those things I would be beyond pissed. They have every right to be angry just as Tali and Garrus have every right to jump to Shepard's heel the moment she calls.

Wow, really didn't mean to write that much. Thanks for reading it, if you did. :D

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It's okey Red, it was great to read it all. Even though i miss the cursing and that <3
Atleast the subject is very interesting and something to discuss in times like now with nothing new on ME3
I can probably give my view on this aswell but that got to happen after i get some food. Neither me or Sarah likes to do stuff without food.

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Heh, thanks Rah. Just imagine me dropping the F-bomb every other word if that helps. <3

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btw Red, it's "Gabby" and not "Gaddy" :P