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[SaturnRing]

TS2Aggie wrote...

I have a question for you folks here if you don't mind. Disclaimer: this is not meant to be inflammatory, it's just an honest question that I would prefer to get answered directly by femShep fans. That being said:

When the femShep trailer is released, how likely is your personal reaction going to be to love or hate it regardless of the inherent quality of the trailer itself?

Would love it! 

[SaturnRing]

sagequeen wrote...


question for you renegade/renegon femsheps: what's your fave background story combo and how do you think it influences why your shep makes the tough decisions that she does?

Tricky question because my first thought was earthborn/ruthless or Mindoir/Akuze make for best renegade/renegon: your past can give you a justification for acting like a total psycho. But when you think about it someone with a difficult past is more likely to be a douche on the surface and show a more compassionate side on deeper issues: such a person knows the meaning of suffering and subjecting other people to it.
 Spacer*/war heroes are more likely to be very diplomatic but won't hesitate to go by the book and show total disregard for anyone who gets caught in the crossfire: they are usually my best renegade/renegon.The lack of personal drama in their past combine with the war hero status put them in a dangerous mindset.


*Being a spacer does expose Shepard to drama or trauma, just not as much as other backgrounds [ my opinion ].
Typed the wrong word; i meant spacer; not colonist.
 

Modifié par SaturnRing, 02 janvier 2012 - 02:41 .

[lacuna_]

sagequeen wrote...

question for you renegade/renegon femsheps: what's your fave background story combo and how do you think it influences why your shep makes the tough decisions that she does?

My Adept, Ara, is a Renegon, and to date is my only Shep that has allowed me to complete the Lord Darius quest. She's a Earthborn/ Ruthless- I decided on Ruthless because it was her response after the attack on Mindoir, in which she thought her sister was killed. Being in a gang, she's curt and will not get close to anyone- perhaps the only person she's "close" to is Ash and Garrus, but that's only to some extent. As for her big decisions, well, she's willing to be the martyr, and make the hard decisions others are unwilling to make, but feel are necessary.

My 'Neer, Kerrigan, is also a Renegon, and is a Spacer/ Sole Survivor.She's got an extremely calculating mind, and is quite good at making decisions that, although seemingly harsh at the time, has the greatest positive effect. She has a habit of dealing with uncertainities... permanently (Rachni and the genophage are obvious examples of this, both the Rachni and the Krogan with a cured genophage are unpredictable populations, and thus unreliable when the Reapers hit).

And she might violate the rules of the question, BUTTT...

My SoldierShep, Rhiannon, is a Spacer/War Hero, and was an uber-Paragon in ME1. Her parents were/are MAJOR Alliance heroes, so she was groomed to be the perfect "Alliance cheerleader", but deep down, she doesn't really share the same ideals,and is bitter about the fact she has to act a certain way, especially when she considers it to be less effective and more time-consuming. In high-pressure scenarios (like saving the colonists on Feros, for example) is when her truly ruthless personality comes out (she killed every one of the colonists, as she wasn't convinced that the indoctrination was just temporary, and the colonists may jeopardize her mission). In ME2, she wakes up and is very angry that the Alliance abandoned her so quickly, so she soon became a Cerberus cheerleader, which happen to be A LOT of Renegade choices (and she, Miranda, and TIM conspired to kill Jack, ooh, how renegade is that!). She went from having a full Paragon bar with a half of a Renegade bar, to the exact opposite in ME2. Funny how that works.

[ELE08]

sagequeen wrote...

question for you renegade/renegon femsheps: what's your fave background story combo and how do you think it influences why your shep makes the tough decisions that she does?

This might be one of my favorite questions.  That would be Caroline.

Colonist --> Ruthless = Renegade Shep.

Though, even my 'full' renegade takes some paragon actions.  Overall, most dialogue ends up being neutral, with red 'persuades.'  I love love a lot of the neutral dialogue options because they are often more serious/level, which leads in to how I play my renegade Shep:

Unlike a lot of renegade Sheps, I don't like her to have that sarcastic edge.  No cheesy action-movie one-liners here if possible.  Because she's become almost mechanical in how she handles her job.  Neutral, closed-off, with an attempt to limit emotional entanglement in the situation, which she rationalizes as being the most logical way to solve a problem, when in reality it can be almost as extreme as the person who makes every decision with their heart.

The way I see it, Mindoir could make a person go a few ways.  One, they end up completely broken and never truly recover--this character does not become commander Shepard.  Two, they end up totally paragon, like the abuse victim who ends up a counselor, because it made them want to help people similar to them.  Or the other direction, which is to repress all those feelings so you don't get hurt again.  My renegade Shep is the latter, which is to say emotionally stunted and pushed to an extreme.  Torfan is the first example of this personality which carries through the rest of the game decisions.  Why?

*It's better to take the sure bet (like on Torfan, or with the Rachni, etc, etc) than risk things blowing up on you later.  This is the results at all costs renegade.  "She always gets the job done."  It's like she's trying to make up for being so helpless on Mindoir, by making sure nothing is left undone and there are no loose ends anywhere else.  Balak.  Dead.  Shiala.  Dead.  And so on.  Ironically, this means I also take the paragon decision and blow up the Collector base.  Because I think I trust TIM even less than I trust the Reapers.  A common rationale from her: "It had to be done."
**It's a coping mechanism.  Instead of falling apart after losing everything on Mindoir, she stuck it in a little box, and keeps her emotions locked up tight.  Taking the renegade options usually means not giving people the benefit of the doubt and not opening yourself up to failure or being let down.  Of course sometimes no risk means no reward, but it also means no negative consequences down the road either (hopefully.) 

If you've never taken the renegade persuades on 'I Remember Me' I'd highly recommend it.  It's basically Shep saying "No one breaks me."  Ever.  

In relation to my renegade Shep, this is not to say she never has self doubt or moments of self loathing for her actions.  She'll just never admit it to anyone.

tldr - Mindoir (colonist) is good motivation for Shep's extreme (and renegade) actions on Torfan (ruthless.)  Vengeance, success at all costs and all that good stuff.  I think it carries over nicely to playing a renegade character in the game.

[f1r3storm]

Headbutting a Krogan. It's always fun until you feel your head the next morning.

[Blze001]

f1r3storm wrote...

Headbutting a Krogan. It's always fun until you feel your head the next morning.

Mara once headbutted a krogan while completely wasted. The following morning was "7th circle of hell" painful, she was popping asprin like Tic-Tacs.

[HolyAvenger]

I haven't made a renegade FemShep yet, but I do plan to shortly. She'll be angry, xenophobic, no-nonsense, tactless and remorseless. I've already used up Colonist/Ruthless for my renegade DudeShep so I'm thinking Colonist/SS. She'll either be celibate or a Kaidan/Jacobmancer (aliens? Ewwww).

[Sable Phoenix]

ELE08 wrote...

sagequeen wrote...

question for you renegade/renegon femsheps: what's your fave background story combo and how do you think it influences why your shep makes the tough decisions that she does?

This might be one of my favorite questions.  That would be Caroline.

Colonist --> Ruthless = Renegade Shep.

Though, even my 'full' renegade takes some paragon actions.  Overall, most dialogue ends up being neutral, with red 'persuades.'  I love love a lot of the neutral dialogue options because they are often more serious/level, which leads in to how I play my renegade Shep:

Unlike a lot of renegade Sheps, I don't like her to have that sarcastic edge.  No cheesy action-movie one-liners here if possible.  Because she's become almost mechanical in how she handles her job.  Neutral, closed-off, with an attempt to limit emotional entanglement in the situation, which she rationalizes as being the most logical way to solve a problem, when in reality it can be almost as extreme as the person who makes every decision with their heart.

The way I see it, Mindoir could make a person go a few ways.  One, they end up completely broken and never truly recover--this character does not become commander Shepard.  Two, they end up totally paragon, like the abuse victim who ends up a counselor, because it made them want to help people similar to them.  Or the other direction, which is to repress all those feelings so you don't get hurt again.  My renegade Shep is the latter, which is to say emotionally stunted and pushed to an extreme.  Torfan is the first example of this personality which carries through the rest of the game decisions.  Why?

*It's better to take the sure bet (like on Torfan, or with the Rachni, etc, etc) than risk things blowing up on you later.  This is the results at all costs renegade.  "She always gets the job done."  It's like she's trying to make up for being so helpless on Mindoir, by making sure nothing is left undone and there are no loose ends anywhere else.  Balak.  Dead.  Shiala.  Dead.  And so on.  Ironically, this means I also take the paragon decision and blow up the Collector base.  Because I think I trust TIM even less than I trust the Reapers.  A common rationale from her: "It had to be done."
**It's a coping mechanism.  Instead of falling apart after losing everything on Mindoir, she stuck it in a little box, and keeps her emotions locked up tight.  Taking the renegade options usually means not giving people the benefit of the doubt and not opening yourself up to failure or being let down.  Of course sometimes no risk means no reward, but it also means no negative consequences down the road either (hopefully.) 

If you've never taken the renegade persuades on 'I Remember Me' I'd highly recommend it.  It's basically Shep saying "No one breaks me."  Ever.  

In relation to my renegade Shep, this is not to say she never has self doubt or moments of self loathing for her actions.  She'll just never admit it to anyone.

tldr - Mindoir (colonist) is good motivation for Shep's extreme (and renegade) actions on Torfan (ruthless.)  Vengeance, success at all costs and all that good stuff.  I think it carries over nicely to playing a renegade character in the game.

This, ELE, is the best psychoanalysis of the various backgrounds and moralities, especially of Renegades, that I've ever seen.

To share the mentalities of my three femSheps, although they might not be totally relevant:



Jessica, the one I've actually played and who's featured in this thread, is an Earthborn/War Hero Infiltrator and is constantly living in the past, stuck as an orphan on the streets of Singapore, witnessing friends being killed or overdosing, being beat up and abused herself.  She's a self-made woman, but everything she does is done, in the final analysis, out of fear, fear of pain and fear of betrayal and fear of loss.  It drove her to be the best she can possibly be at anything she does, because she knows that in the end the only person she can rely on 100% is herself.  The only person so far to break that pattern is Liara, and that's partially because she's an Asari and partially because she's been in Shepard's head.  Her past makes her tough, no-nonsense, and extremely intolerant of people who are disloyal, dishonest or just general bullies.  This past, though, as you mentioned in your post, ELE, gives her an empathy for people in tough situations, so she leans on the Paragon side and ends up a Paragade.

Then come the other two femSheps, that I haven't actually played yet:



Sophia, my blasian Colonist/Ruthless Vanguard.  She's a total xenophobe because of the batarian raiders, she never gives batarians any quarter and will kill any of them she comes across if she has the opportunity.  She's probably the most heavily Renegade of my characters.  She's beautiful, but she's actually fairly boring, I think... one reason I haven't played her yet.



My third femShep, Christine, is a Spacer/Sole Survivor Adept, and I had two particular objectives with her that make her interesting.  The first is that I designed her to be the most not-beautiful femShep I could and still keep her facial proportions accurate (actually a lot harder than it sounds in the ME character creator), the second was that she is actually not this super-competent, but that throghout her history she's just been the right (or wrong) person in the right (or wrong) place at the right (or wrong) time.  Part of this is from the expectations placed upon her as being the child of two career Alliance personnel and a biotic to boot; I imagine that she was one of those Navy brats whose entire life is planned for her ahead of time.  Then along came Akuze and she survived pretty much by pure luck (am I the only one for whom the "remarkable will to survive" has sounded incredibly contrived at the start of the original Mass Effect? Survival in a catastrophic situation is heavily based on random chance).  She carries the scar from the reconstructive surgery to rebuild her face after taking a helmetful of thresher maw acid, and from that point on the expectations around her were solidified into "fact" and she feels the only thing she can do is play the role set before her.  For her, I plan on never using a blue or red conversation option, only the white ones on the right side of the wheel, because she's really not all that extraordinary of a person, she just is placed in extraordinary circumstances and forges on as best she can.

Modifié par Sable Phoenix, 02 janvier 2012 - 11:16 .

[sagefic]

@ ELE: very nice. i like your reasoning.

@sable: i like. i always enjoy hearing people's reasoning, because the same backgrounds can create such differenet people.

i really like the ruthless background. it sounds horrible - even irresponsible at first blush - but it's actually is the Shep who most reasonably would get the Spectre job, imo. if there was a war hero, a butcher, and survivor up for the job, that is.

Kyrie is definitely a bit of both the 'i'll save others' and the 'don't let mindoir happen again' colonist. she does not like loose ends. base goes boom, heretic station goes boom, hostages go boom to stop balak, etc. but on the other hand, shiala is a calculated risk to help feros, giving kasumi the greybox is letting someone come to terms with grief in their own time. she can be a little unpredictable, but it's consistent? i think?

actually, i think the one decisions i'm not totally pleased with for Kyrie is the rachni queen. sometimes i think yes, her decision to free the queen is keeping with that sense of compassion. but then i'm starting to think that MY gut instinct is to acid wash the bug, so maybe hers would be, too.

currently trying to come up with a renegade i can enjoy playing. kyrie spoke so business-like, however, she was more neutral and renegade in convos than anything else. i think she spoke paragonish to kaidan - sometimes - and that was about it. also, the full up 'I KEEL you!" lines of the renegade just strike me as...well, i don't get into them. i'm toying with playing a renegade who is really nice and good company aboard ship - but then just snaps in battle. still trying to make a face to match. (and how many CC trials will it take?)

also, the more kyrie becomes neutral, the more i want a renegade and pure paragon for balance. ><

seriously, ELE, how long does it take you in the CC to make those lovely/unique sheps?

Modifié par sagequeen, 02 janvier 2012 - 11:54 .

[Shadow_Soul]

sagequeen wrote...
question for you renegade/renegon femsheps: what's your fave background story combo and how do you think it influences why your shep makes the tough decisions that she does?

I personally see Colonist/Ruthless as the best renegon. A hardcore renegade however, Earthborn/Soul Survivor (Spacer/War Hero always makes me think paragon.....) but that's how I did Lili (renegon of course) and Athena (my b*tchy hardcore renegade....who is STILL waiting for Jack, the poor woman )

Colonist/Ruthless for renegon because it shows she went through hard times, but got her revenge on Torfan (be it all her revenge or only some) she's been scarred by what has happened in her past by the raid, and can be a b*tch, but can also hace a heart of gold for some, for those few paragon moments.

Earthborn/Sole Survivor for renegade because she grew up in something that could seem like her own living hell, then went through to Akuze and saw all of her unit die around her, so she's been majorly scarred, maybe even learned to not care about others because she's been stabbed in the back so many times, and those she has cared for even just a little all died, so she spaces herself from others and is just bitter, hateful and down right rude and b*tchy because of it.

But that's just how I see it, so just my two cents I guess. I hope that this doesn't confuse anybody.... 

[meonlyred]

Whoa Nelly!! Zody Shepard has invaded SWTOR! Hide your corrupt officials, slavers, and other badies. She is going to wipe the galaxy clean of meanies!!

[Rosewind]

Ooooo Pretty!!! That re-mind's me I hope we get new hair styles, and some sort of "hairdresser" lol! I am sure there should be at least one Hairdresser/Barber in the ME Universe.

[Elanor]

Rosewind wrote...

Ooooo Pretty!!! That re-mind's me I hope we get new hair styles, and some sort of "hairdresser" lol! I am sure there should be at least one Hairdresser/Barber in the ME Universe.

Or we could just use mirror in the cabin or something like that to change hairstyle.

[SaturnRing]

meonlyred wrote...

Whoa Nelly!! Zody Shepard has invaded SWTOR! Hide your corrupt officials, slavers, and other badies. She is going to wipe the galaxy clean of meanies!!

[Star Wars theme song playing in a very dramatic/menacing tone]

Modifié par SaturnRing, 03 janvier 2012 - 12:33 .

[SaturnRing]

Blze001 wrote...

f1r3storm wrote...

Headbutting a Krogan. It's always fun until you feel your head the next morning.

Mara once headbutted a krogan while completely wasted. The following morning was "7th circle of hell" painful, she was popping asprin like Tic-Tacs.

Deirdre is very fond of Grunt LM  memories; after the headbutt it all felt like a dream sequence: dog thingy ...shoot! bug thingy...shoot; weird thingy comming off the ground...shoot!

[meonlyred]

Supposedly we will be able to change our Shepards in ME3 CC. I'm hoping when the demo comes out that we get to play with the CC. If that is the case, Zody might get her hair chopped off. I really liked the short hair of Shepard #1 in the vote. But the new Jane looks like she is shorting the 'classy' hair which looks even better now.

Just under two months now...

Modifié par meonlyred, 03 janvier 2012 - 12:43 .

[Ioini]

Here is a pic of my beautiful canon FemShep: Liana Shepard!

She is a Paragade, Spacer, Sole Survivor and a Sentinel. She is nice to people that serve under her command and she is shows no mercy to her enemies. Keeps Kaidan dear to her heart. She stayed faithful to him through ME2 ready to reunite with him in ME3!

Modifié par Ioini, 03 janvier 2012 - 01:18 .

[Rosewind]

I don't know if I like the new Default FemShep, I notice a lot people who play FemShep usually have custom ones. Has noting to do with the hair colour just think she looks to dam don't know how to put it.

[Jane Shepard]

meonlyred wrote...

Supposedly we will be able to change our Shepards in ME3 CC. I'm hoping when the demo comes out that we get to play with the CC. If that is the case, Zody might get her hair chopped off. I really liked the short hair of Shepard #1 in the vote. But the new Jane looks like she is shorting the 'classy' hair which looks even better now.

That would be interesting I'm going to change Diana's hairstyle for sure. I like new Ashley's hair and hope this option will be available for Shepard too


And my canon Jane will be the same:)

[Rosewind]

Think we might be getting new HD Hair styles? Because Ashley's really dose have different Texture to her hair.

[SaturnRing]

Rosewind wrote...

I don't know if I like the new Default FemShep, I notice a lot people who play FemShep usually have custom ones. Has noting to do with the hair colour just think she looks to dam don't know how to put it.

my canon has the original generic face because i like it better than anything that came out of the cc; when i first got the game, i spent an entire week ( or maybe more ) trying figure out how i wanted her to look like. i came to the conclusion that i was more attached to the generic face. so i play the default by choice. as for the new one i'll have to see her in actual gameplay; in any case i will stick to the original default. 

Modifié par SaturnRing, 03 janvier 2012 - 04:11 .

[Captain Crash]

Default Jane (original) will be my first play in ME3.  Just like she was my first femshep in ME and first play in ME2.   She also carries the weight of a couple of mistakes in ME2.   Such as Kelly, Mordin and the Crew being dead.  
Im really interested to see what effect (if any) that will have.  

Additionally I still need to do Overlord and Kasumi with her.  Better get that done in the next month!  :happy: 

[SaturnRing]

no pressure!

[CrazyRah]

I only got my last ME2 playthrough left and then i'm ready for ME3 with my canon Shep. Will be fun to run through it and get into the ME mood again right before March.

[SaturnRing]

katherine was promoted to canon because i lost deirdre's ( my original canon ) data along with several other femshep.
Yesterday i've decided to reinstate deirdre mindoir/akuze ( default face ) to her rightful place and i'm also introducing Ilona ( cc face; sorry still no pics ) spacer/war hero. i'll have to run them 3 times each through me1 [ to max out on ren/par points without cheating ] and then through me2. i better get started too.

Modifié par SaturnRing, 03 janvier 2012 - 04:42 .