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[Sinapus]

Hm. Forgot to post my somewhat cheerful/wacky ginger.

[Sinapus]

Ottemis wrote...

Sinapus wrote...

Maybe it's my decrepit age catching up on me, but 29/31 looks young nowadays.

(That and human lifespan in Mass Effect's time period is supposed to be up to 150, so maybe that involves a treatment that slows down aging like prolong from the Honorverse.)

Yes, it's been a gradual process over the centuries. It's logical that 30 then will not be the same as 30 now.
Healthier living, longer lifespan. Evolution.

Having said that, 30 is far from old, and anyone who thinks being 30+ means your skin is shot to hell and you're wrinkled is just dead-wrong. On the bright side, if you'd ever try to guess someone's age, I don't think the average 40+ year old would mind you thinking they're 10 years younger.

No one cards me anymore.

[lishuss]

not to derail this thread or anything, but why does that guys avatar look like a peacock-haired Meat Loaf?

[meonlyred]

Good to know that women look like wrinkled old hags at 30. Should Shepard shake her fists at the Reapers and scream 'get off my lawn!'? Or perhaps start drinking Metamucil? Wonder when she can get her senor discount a her local grocer. Seriously, wtf does a 30 year old woman look like to you?

As Sinapus said and as I've said a million freaking times, it won't do humans much good to fall apart at 30. And if I hear the words Barbie or Bimbo again I might punch something cute and fluffy.

[lishuss]

meonlyred wrote...

As Sinapus said and as I've said a million freaking times, it won't do humans much good to fall apart at 30. And if I hear the words Barbie or Bimbo again I might punch something cute and fluffy.

snuffleupagus, NOOOOOOOOOOOO

[Lucky Thirteen]

There is this interesting thing I noticed.



That middle skin type, ages femShep a bit. But I hardly ever, out of all the femShep screen caps shown off in this thread, I hardly ever see anyone use it.

I wonder why.

You'd think with all the uproar about the new femShep default looking so young, these people would post pictures of their femSheps showing off that they use older skin type, saying hey. Look. An example of femshep with older skin.

Oh wait.

Maybe because it's a choice and they don't like the older skin on the femSheps they have created.

Curious thing.

Anyone in this thread have a femShep that uses the middle one? I use the far right one on Rylie. It's got some spots in the skin.

[Sinapus]

meonlyred wrote...

Good to know that women look like wrinkled old hags at 30. Should Shepard shake her fists at the Reapers and scream 'get off my lawn!'?

Of course not. She needs to be charging up a Cain when she does that.

[meonlyred]

That is a good point Lucky 13, I wonder why indeed. Maybe its because we all try to make our Shepards our own definition of what is beautiful and unique. A woman with deep wrinkles, age spots, and pitted pores is not the ideal not matter what high horse one might be on.





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@Sinapus... LOL Of course! Silly me!

[Ioini]

Despite all she has been through on Azuke she has a nice conversation with Pressly.

Modifié par Ioini, 10 janvier 2012 - 07:32 .

[ADLegend21]

meonlyred wrote...

That is a good point Lucky 13, I wonder why indeed. Maybe its because we all try to make our Shepards our own definition of what is beautiful and unique. A woman with deep wrinkles, age spots, and pitted pores is not the ideal not matter what high horse one might be on.

Sexy Zody, adorable Orra, and Dorky Dakota!

[AkodoRyu]

Lucky Thirteen wrote...

There is this interesting thing I noticed.
[...]
Anyone in this thread have a femShep that uses the middle one? I use the far right one on Rylie. It's got some spots in the skin.

Yup, though I don't see any problem creating bit older looking Shep with the rest.
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Though not sure how "valid" you will find this as I never finished the game with other than my main Shep. It's usually like this, the first character I create stays the only one I play.

Modifié par AkodoRyu, 10 janvier 2012 - 08:16 .

[Sinapus]

meonlyred wrote...
@Sinapus... LOL Of course! Silly me!

I have noted before that FemShep appears to be a descendant of one of a character played by Clint Eastwood.



Or at least I keep finding myself reminded of the "Clint Squint" in some of these shots.

[Fraevar]

Lighting is also always a factor when you're trying to gauge how "old" Shepard does or does not look. I think Lia easily looks 32 here

Whereas the lighting in other scenes can easily make her look 10 years younger. I don't think you can apply a universal structure to the age problematic. Yes, the models to choose from in that vote looked young and I've tweeted as much to Jessica Merizan, but I'll reserve judgment until I see the actual in-game version...not that I am gonna use her for quite awhile.

Modifié par Delerius_Jedi, 10 janvier 2012 - 09:48 .

[CrazyRah]

I agree completely with everything Red and Ottemis have said. You two say the things i want to say but way better.

And now this thread needs more hugs!

[Sinapus]

HUG!

[Knubbsal]

Soldiers (or anyone for that matter) don't have to look like they had an unfriendly incident with the front of a speeding vehicle.

Shepard is a commander, not just a soldier. For me the seemingly young age of new Femshep doesn't add up with the story at all. All I said is there's apperently a taboo on playing an aged veteran lady, while we're all too used to playing ugly men (Mario anyone?). I don't see where the generally used "but pretty women can use guns too for once!" is coming from at all, since that's all I've ever seen in games.

Modifié par Knubbsal, 10 janvier 2012 - 12:09 .

[Tup3x]

I don't give a damn what age my Shepard looks like. It's good enough for me.

[Silver]

@Tup3xi

totally agree... and since the box-art is not MY shep, I could care less if she looks like a teenager.
I'm just happy to see FemShep on official ME3-related stuff, that's all we asked for really, and that's what we got.

[CrazyRah]

silverhammer08 wrote...

@Tup3xi

totally agree... and since the box-art is not MY shep, I could care less if she looks like a teenager.
I'm just happy to see FemShep on official ME3-related stuff, that's all we asked for really, and that's what we got.

Exactly this! Seriously that FemShep got her spotlight on official ME3-related stuff is awesome and long overdue

[SaturnRing]

Knubbsal wrote...

SaturnRing wrote...

Knubbsal wrote...

<-- Almost-default Femshep was not amused with voting choices.

I'm not sure if I'll get the Femshep box. Eventhough I never play him, Manshep looks cooler than the new Femshep...

i have a sheploo kristian that i will import. i will probably give the new generic* jane a try too. i just wish they weren't that many bullpup guns in ME 3. they will cramp deirdre's style.


*Feel free to elaborate on why you don't like the new generic femshep if you like. i'm listening ( reading ). 

I'm all for the attention Femshep got. However what I don't like is the fact that old default Femshep looked like a somewhat older and experienced actual commander. For once the main female character of a game didn't have to be a pretty young thing, since serious, how often does that happen?
Then there were votes and all you could pick were 18-year old [insert hair colour and length] Barbies with a gun. The reasoning for this is obvious, but it does make me think if making a strong female main character was really anywhere on the checklist.
Manshep looks like a tougher badass than he was in ME1, but Femshep stepped in a time machine.

ps: No offense to anyone with young Femsheps.
pps: I am well aware of the fact that it's all "just" about the coverart.
ppps: I don't hate the new Femshep, but sometimes want to leftclick the people who made her.




Dodging flames.

the more i read ( re-read) your comment the more i'm convinced that age doesn't really have anything  to do with it; Synapus makes a good point: in a 150 years lifespan, 30 years old would probably look like the new generic femshep or even younger. i'm guessing that your issue has more to do with an "apparent" lack  of depth and maturity in the new femshep pics (we[ i ] always assume that making people look more mature can only be achieved by making them older). The irony in all this is that a more intense look and a hardened jaw line would do the trick. Age to me is too abstract to even consider debating on it  [ original Jane, or Sheploo for that matter, could be 25 as well as 45 years old ].
What makes women in the military stand out is more a question of posture than look ( my humble opinion ). 

Modifié par SaturnRing, 10 janvier 2012 - 04:26 .

[KyreneZA]

Maybe femShep just 'suffers' from agerasia?

[Lucky Thirteen]

Knubbsal wrote...
I don't see where the generally used "but pretty women can use guns too for once!" is coming from at all, since that's all I've ever seen in games.

It's comeing from what society has believed for a very long time. Many people believe women who join the military are the ugly, unpopular girls from highschool, who are all flaming, masculine lesbians. They can't be pretty, because pretty equals young and soft and sits on her butt all day doing her hair and nails. Pretty means not strong enough to be in the military.

The majority of the pretty women in games in the past have actually been horribly sexualized or reduced to damzel in distress because they are not the star of the game, the man is, and she needs to easly bend over so he can plow her. That's what the problem is with past female leads in games. They are not designed to be real women who happen to be attractive, they are designed to be sex toys for teenage boys to pause the game and masturbate to.

FemShep does not fall under any of this. Commander Shepard is the star of the game, she is not sexualized to attract males, and the very idea that that's all a pretty face is good for pisses me off. Bioware didn't hold that contest as a beauty contest, they held it as a "Pick the face you think looks like femShep" and not "pick the most beutiful one." The fans turned it into a beauty contest because that's what society does to women. That's why everytime I come here and everytime I go into the Tomb Raider forums, people argue and argue about hair and nails and breast size and stupid crap about ALL the female characters. Nothing is satisfying about any woman's appearance, it pisses off someone somewhere and they have to nitpick at the tiniest things being too pretty or too ugly.

Not to mention, if you don't like the face, design a new one. The game does allow it. This is for advertising.

If you want to get angry about something, get angry if her personality is changed. Get angry if she starts walking like she's a model on the catwalk and her casual outfits start showing a lot of skin when maleShep gets to keep all the military uniforms. Get angry if she is repeatedly reduced to damsel in distress so her male LI choices have the chance to romanctically save her because all of the sudden she's forgotten all her training and can't defend herself.

Get angry if they change all who femShep is to us on the inside. Personality is what counts, not appearances.

[Ottemis]

You know what happens to powerful good looking women in any position?
They get insulted, abused and raped. Literally. Why? Because they don't know their place, and hey, they provoked it.

If you want to keep spouting barbie can't hold a gun straight, please, continue, but that's the group of people I then class you under.

Sorry if that's extreme, but I don't think alot of people realize what they're effectively saying when they open their mouth half the time. I am fully aware, by the by.

I'm just completely sick of the discussion. Marketting will make her pretty, so will 95% of the population. That was an unavoidable side-effect of the marketting of femshep. That's the way it is, so let her be pretty and kick ass and save the galaxy. As Lucky Thirteen said, she's still who she always was.

And maybe you should look at it that way; everytime we allow a 'pretty little thing' in a position of power and fully accept her to belong there, we strike an indirect punch for women oppressed, instead of against them.

Anything attractive is primarily judged on bedroom qualities and once you've imagined a female naked, it's apparently impossible to take them seriously.
If she's considered generally unattractive, we skip this point almost entirely: it's an inherent lack of respect for pretty females.
Like they'd have it easy, while this point almost proves they definitely don't, on it's own.
By that measure you could say a successful pretty female would be stronger for all the crap she's had to deal with to end up where she is.

Kyrene wrote...

Maybe femShep just 'suffers' from agerasia?

For instance =p

Lucky Thirteen wrote...
Anyone in this thread have a femShep that uses the middle one? I use the far right one on Rylie. It's got some spots in the skin.

Not one of them. I always go for the freckles, rarely go for complexion 1, never go for 2.
Interesting point Lucky.

I think agewise my Lin and Taylor would prolly look the 'oldest'. But I don't see them as being effectively older, they just look to be is all. They both sport the freckles.



The darker the skintone, the more you drown out imperfections it seems, these are both quite pale and it shows I think.

Modifié par Ottemis, 10 janvier 2012 - 05:59 .

[sagefic]

^ this is also why i don't use #2. i've tried, i really have, but i don't use it.

it's not because of the 'old' factor. it's because it pulls the whole face down in a very irregular way. i find it simply looks off, not 'old.'

i mean, 'old' can mean a number of things. i like the 'old' look on sheploo- fine lines around eyes and mouth. hints at a lot of experiences, good and bad. i also like to give my characters scars, giving a sort of story of where they've been and what they do.

overly airbrushed may be 'pretty,' but it's blah to me.

i think part of the issue with femshep-designing is that some people want to play a woman who looks 'tough', some want a woman who looks 'pretty' - and in a lot of our culture, these are different things. Sheploo is modeled after a supermodel, for pete's sake, but he looks 'tough' and handsome because what we think of as tough often is synonymous with what is masculine. what is feminine is often seen as childlike and weak. hence, this kind of tension that exists when making femsheps. do we go the classic beauty route and risk her seeming not tough or go the tough route and risk her seeming not attractive.

stupid dichotomy, really, but it's there.

and that's why i love custom femsheps - you can pick where you want to place her on the scale.

[Ottemis]

It's logical marketing would take the safe bet of picking a default with (this time round) features following the golden ratio.
It is balanced and before all other considerations, on a purely esthetic front, makes her appeal to the largest crowd.
We are hardwired to appreciate certain patterns, balance and symmetry.

Modifié par Ottemis, 10 janvier 2012 - 05:34 .