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[Zan Mura]

Mesina2 wrote...

Also I have to add seeing woman hitting Yagh so hard is unrealistic and unbelievable since woman don't have that kind of physical strength unless she is biotic.
But all 3 of my FemShep's are biotics( Vanguard, Adept and Sentinel) so it doesn't bother me.

So are my femsheps. But I wouldn't care regardless. In Suicide mission you see Shep lift obviously heavy objects, steel beams etc that even Grunt has trouble getting out from under. The particularly heavy and massive sounds from said objects seems obviously intentional, implying that the cerberus advancements and upgrades have made Shepard far stronger than any normal human.

Put another way, considering the SB's strength, I have trouble believing a maleShep of such average athletic size could hit him nearly hard enough either. Not even close tbh. So either way, it requires some immersion of disbelief for the sake of badassery, or serious upgrades. Gender is not an issue there.

Modifié par Zan Mura, 21 septembre 2010 - 09:37 .

[Julie the bogan]

I really don’t think that the absence of female Shepard in marketing pictures/trailers/anything really is due to anything like the man vs. woman argument, keep in mind they didn’t have to create a female version of Shepard, I’m more inclined to believe that it’s simply the way the stats fell and the marketing department decided that portraying a “super hero awesome guy” would lure in the players who would make up the bulk of the player base.
 
Don’t get me wrong how awesome would a blur trailer of femshep be? *drool*
 
Femsheps walk and animations don’t bother me either I like how she stomps around, gives her more appeal as a solider sure there are some things that had to be changed for example sitting in a dress, which was addressed in lotsb which proves that Bioware listen to us. Maybe the slow walk animation as well but really she is a battle hardened marine not a precious butterfly.

[Zan Mura]

Well to be fair, I don't remember a single BW game where using the same animations for males and females was NOT an issue. The gals always walk like the guys. But considering how the latest stats showed that some 80% of the players are male, and play a male Shep, I'm just glad picking females in the first place remains an option. Male protagonists have never failed to be so utterly common and boring to me. With the exception of something like Batman: Arkham Asylum.

[AngryFrozenWater]

The walk animations bother me. I've read that the ME2 team did some exceptional work on making the eyes realistic. Fine. Now that is done, it would be great if they concentrate on the more "eye catching" (pun intended) animations like walking. /me mumbles something about the importance of non-verbal communication, body language and BioWare's love for realistic cinematics.

[AngryFrozenWater]

Zan Mura wrote...

Well to be fair, I don't remember a single BW game where using the same animations for males and females was NOT an issue. The gals always walk like the guys. But considering how the latest stats showed that some 80% of the players are male, and play a male Shep, I'm just glad picking females in the first place remains an option. Male protagonists have never failed to be so utterly common and boring to me. With the exception of something like Batman: Arkham Asylum.

There is thread linked in my sig. Visit that thread (last few pages where I posted) and read why that 80% is nonsense. I am not even willing to explain it here. I have done that dozens of times there.

Edit: Read the posts of theelementslayer there. Great read. Makes lots of sense.

Modifié par AngryFrozenWater, 21 septembre 2010 - 10:08 .

[Zan Mura]

AngryFrozenWater wrote...

There is thread linked in my sig. Visit that thread (last few pages where I posted) and read why that 80% is nonsense. I am not even willing to explain it here. I have done that dozens of times there.

So basically your main point is that since the default Shep is male, and we've no way of knowing whether simply creating a character counts for "playing as gender X Shepard", the 80% could just represent people who just clickspam past the opening menus to get into the game without even playing it through, or reasonably far enough?

Good point, actually. But beyond that, I don't agree with the reasoning that if 80% are males then 20% or MORE are females due to potential replays. No. Whatever logic is used to draw that picture applies across replays, to both sides. Therefore the potential for replays is irrelevant. It's 80% males vs 20% females, period. But the initial default being a male truly is a big issue. After all, the most common password / lottery etc starts with 1234.... Seems totally unbelievable, but that's how it is. MOST people go with default. Those of us here on the forums are the last people to represent the norm anyway. We're as much of a margin group and minority as one can get.

Since the circumstances clearly favor the males from getgo, I do agree that overall it's fair to estimate that the number of female sheps is higher than 20%. How much higher remains a matter of debate. Before those stats, I would have placed that at around 33%. But I'm no authority, and I have no proof.

[AngryFrozenWater]

All I have are two polls and an abstract number without context from BioWare. Take your pick whatever you feel is right. Both polls make the 80% of the players play as male questionable. That's what I am saying. BioWare needs to investigate that. I am not even willing to go into it anymore. That thread is already filled with Blues Brothers on a mission of God, so I am not willing to start the same discussion here.

Modifié par AngryFrozenWater, 21 septembre 2010 - 10:24 .

[Christmas Ape]

It's 80% males vs 20% females, period.

While I'm generally agreed that teaching people statistics is a job for the other thread, this requires more interpretation than the facts state, which spelled all the way out is "80% of all unique player IDs who chose to submit data to Bioware have completed the character creation process with a male Shepard".
EVERYTHING else is pure supposition.

Modifié par Christmas Ape, 21 septembre 2010 - 10:27 .

[AngryFrozenWater]

Take your arguments to the other thread. Please keep this thread clean.

[Zan Mura]

Honestly, do we even know that for certain? We just have no way of knowing what constitutes as playing as either gender. I never argued against that. I just said it doesn't matter, whatever the point is where they count as "having played as Shepard", is irrelevant. We can only make guessworks and assumptions based on how the different stages would likely affect the gender distribution.

But anyway, I'm not really arguing either of you here. And I definitely agree that this is not a discussion for this thread, so let's end it here.

AngryFrozenWater wrote...

Take your arguments to the other thread. Please keep this thread clean.

... why did you go and say that? You started the whole thing, then tell others to take their stuff elsewhere? No seriously, I WILL end this here. <_<

Modifié par Zan Mura, 21 septembre 2010 - 10:34 .

[AngryFrozenWater]

Basically I had a rough day. Sorry about that. But the arguments are getting old. I have answered the same questions over and over again. It's all in that thread. There is no use in repeating the same discussion here.

[only1sgop]

Julie Shepard wrote...

I really don’t think that the absence of female Shepard in marketing pictures/trailers/anything really is due to anything like the man vs. woman argument, keep in mind they didn’t have to create a female version of Shepard, I’m more inclined to believe that it’s simply the way the stats fell and the marketing department decided that portraying a “super hero awesome guy” would lure in the players who would make up the bulk of the player base.
 
Don’t get me wrong how awesome would a blur trailer of femshep be? *drool*
 
Femsheps walk and animations don’t bother me either I like how she stomps around, gives her more appeal as a solider sure there are some things that had to be changed for example sitting in a dress, which was addressed in lotsb which proves that Bioware listen to us. Maybe the slow walk animation as well but really she is a battle hardened marine not a precious butterfly.

I'm guessing you have never seen these trailers?





Female Shepard is wonderful!

Modifié par only1sgop, 21 septembre 2010 - 02:35 .

[Fiery Phoenix]

^ Those are fan-made.

[ADLegend21]

Mesina2 wrote...

Also I have to add seeing woman hitting Yagh so hard is unrealistic and unbelievable since woman don't have that kind of physical strength unless she is biotic.
But all 3 of my FemShep's are biotics( Vanguard, Adept and Sentinel) so it doesn't bother me.

The Femshep I ply LoTSB with (the only time I've played it) was with an infiltrator and it seemd possible for her to punch the spit out of that yahgs mouth. Hell even without the random metal reenforced bones I be a non biotic me1 Shepard could have done the same thing. she's been trained in the Special forces so regardless of her "not having the physical strength" her training gives her more strength that the average soldier since I've seen an me1 femshep smack a Geth juggernaut onto it's back (and she was an engineer.)

[BTG_01]

I never noticed how often Shepard closes her eyes until I started taking screenshots. I guess Morinth isn't as interesting a conversationalist as she thinks.

[jwalker]

BTG_01 wrote...

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I never noticed how often Shepard closes her eyes until I started taking screenshots. I guess Morinth isn't as interesting a conversationalist as she thinks.

Natalia Cigliuti rocks!
Too bad they gave her the role of Morinth. I loved her as Sigrun in Awakening.

[sagefic]

Zan Mura wrote...

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The point is, it's a game of a future world, meaning that the only reason to claim a femsheps' power or success would be any less than a male's, is one's own prejudice in the real world. And I'm not gonna get into an argument over something like that.

fair enough. i should have clarified why i think femshep could kick butt, woman or no.

1) it's pretty clear that femshep is not different from maleshep in any way - she's just as strong, badass, and determined. some will say "women aren't like that." i beg to differ. i know dozens of martial arts women who could kick a yargh in the head and do damage. would a man be stronger than them? maybe, depends on the guy, but could a strong woman hit a yargh hard enough to daze him for liara to drop a giant electric light on his head? yes. i think so.

2) my comment about biotics was simply to say  that add in shep's skills and you've got someone stronger than the average. the point is shep is skilled, not just strong. 

3) as someone pointed out, a big part of what makes shep awesome is his/her team. shep gets the best out of the people serving with him/her. that's part of why i love these games so much. they're not just about the lone wolf hero. they're about shep the leader, the one who WILL DIE if he/she doesn't have a team at his/her back. could a woman lead a team to do the impossible? sure, if she's femshep.

i play my femshep as someone who has mad skills and just continually happens to be in the right place at the right time. she gets tired of it, but that's how her life turned out. and yes, i love that she is a little ungraceful and mannish. at first it bothered me, but it has become quite endearing.

edit: in honor of femshep's badassedness:

Modifié par sagequeen, 21 septembre 2010 - 04:27 .

[sagefic]

LesEnfantsTerribles wrote...

Still can't get over the quality of Jennifer Hale's voice acting during Liara's ME2 romance. It's absolutely fantastic, and you really do get the impression that she genuinely cares about and loves Liara. Brilliant.

I can only hope that the Shepard/Kaidan romance receives similar attention, focus and development very soon. For the Kaidan romancers, at least Liara mentions him during the cabin scene at the end of LotSB. Hopefully, this indicates that DLC prominently featuring the surviving Alliance soldier is in development, and will be released soon. I want my FemShep to reconcile her friendship!

THIS. so this. i got the distinct impression that shep/hale was SO happy to get liara back. i hope for similar with kaidan/ash DLC.

out of curiosity, did you save ashley, les?

[NamiraWilhelm]

@Mesina2
wow, is that your maleshep in your pic? Hes stunning! I found it impossible to make a handsome one and always had to go with default!

@Rynluna
Omg, if Kaidan was in the trailer for ME3 i would die happy I know a lot of people believe a VS dlc will happen but sadly im pessimistic

Modifié par NamiraWilhelm, 21 septembre 2010 - 04:36 .

[sagefic]

^ that was my reasoning on my first shep, actually. i also thought i was sending ash to death, so when the possibility to save both came and went, i was horrified. saved kaidan ever after that though. i just can't think of kaidan as the dead one.