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[Grand Admiral Cheesecake]

...I always flipped a coin on BDtS...made it sooo much easier to give up morality to chance......kind of feel like Two-Face after wards though.

[Jagged Orchid]

BDtS is one of the toughest missions imo... I've gone both routes. I usually free the hostages but I have killed him before as well. Oddly, that is one of the quests that I'm never quite satisfied with. No matter what decision I make, I'm always left double guessing myself.



@MDK, looking good so far. I can't wait to see the finished product.

[Grand Admiral Cheesecake]

I do love the way Hale sounds if you use the Renegade responses to kill Balak though..,mmmmm

[ELE08]

Chignon wrote...

sagequeen wrote...

adneate wrote...

Christmas Ape wrote...

I desire to scoop!
I'm pretty sure it's ME1's Asari Commando armor.

I've never seen the console command to give that, have you?

i'm curious about this, also. and is there a hack to get medium armor for adept? i prefer the look.

As far as I know you can't get this armor through console commands - please correct me if I'm wrong. But you can download a texmod for ME1 in this thread.

It is indeed a texmod.  Mass Effect 1 Colossus armor (the shiney red and black one) retextured to look like Asari commando.

link

This is a better shot of it



Stumbled across it on the old forums.

[Iwakura-Lain]

theelementslayer wrote...

Iwakura-Lain wrote...

theelementslayer wrote...

I hate BDtS for that matter but I never can let Balak go. He will just do it to other people so I have to stop him.

My Kira found it surprisingly easy to kill him dead (a few times over), without so much as regarding it a renegade action, even. She will try and help people like Talitha, but she will shoot outright scum like Balak (kinda precisely because of people like Talitha). To borrow a page from the good Doctor: "Sometimes heal patients; sometimes execute dangerous people."

Exactly, he was sick sure but he was hurting people.

Yes, he simply needed to be removed. You don't get to be a Commander by being a wuss. So, a Balak who thinks he can manipulate my Kira into leniency, just because she wants to be a Paragon (or simply because she's a woman?) is sorely mistaken. She's got exactly no time for games. She handed Jacob's father that gun too (so he could kill himself and regain at least some dignity). And the guy who wanted to start up Jack's facility all over again, he didn't live to tell about it, either (although, in hindsight, she feels kinda bad about that; sure, re-opening that place was a sickening thought to her, but he was a victim too). So, I guess there's a bit of renegade in my Kira, after all.

Modifié par Iwakura-Lain, 06 octobre 2010 - 12:22 .

[Yana Montana]

sagequeen wrote...

ahh. i see.
incidentally, with BDtS, I saved the hostages (I always feel like I total fool doing it, but I just cannot turn my back on them), but the decision that gets me almost more upset (?) is talking to Charn. This time, I decided not to roll the persuade check (even though I could handily charm him) and resorted to having to fight him. "Simple slave grab" indeed.

I always kill Charn. The bastard would just go on another slave rade no matter what.

[Grand Admiral Cheesecake]

Iwakura-Lain wrote...

theelementslayer wrote...

Iwakura-Lain wrote...

theelementslayer wrote...

I hate BDtS for that matter but I never can let Balak go. He will just do it to other people so I have to stop him.

My Kira found it surprisingly easy to kill him dead (a few times over), without so much as regarding it a renegade action, even. She will try and help people like Talitha, but she will shoot outright scum like Balak (kinda precisely because of people like Talitha). To borrow a page from the good Doctor: "Sometimes heal patients; sometimes execute dangerous people."

Exactly, he was sick sure but he was hurting people.

Yes, he simply needed to be removed. You don't get to be a Commander by being a wuss. So, a Balak who thinks he can manipulate my Kira into leniency, just because she wants to be a Paragon (or simply because she's a woman?) is sorely mistaken. She's got exactly no time for games. She handed Jacob's father that gun too (so he could kill himself and regain at least some dignity). And the guy who wanted to start up Jack's facility all over again, he didn't live to tell about it, either (although, in hindsight, she feels kinda bad about that; sure, re-opening that place was a sickening thought to her, but he was a victim too). So, I guess there's a bit of renegade in my Kira, after all.

I'd say that's enough to qualify her as a paragade.

[Jagged Orchid]

Iwakura-Lain wrote...

Yes, he simply needed to be removed. You don't get to be a Commander by being a wuss. So, a Balak who thinks he can manipulate my Kira into leniency, just because she wants to be a Paragon (or simply because she's a woman?) is sorely mistaken. She's got exactly no time for games. She handed Jacob's father that gun too (so he could kill himself and regain at least some dignity). And the guy who wanted to start up Jack's facility all over again, he didn't live to tell about it, either (although, in hindsight, she feels kinda bad about that; sure, re-opening that place was a sickening thought to her, but he was a victim too). So, I guess there's a bit of renegade in my Kira, after all.

My Alexandra's compassion is her greatest strength, but also her greatest weakness. Everytime she shows compassion, she worries that it will come back to haunt her. So far she has been lucky, but she knows that even her luck will run out eventually.

[Iwakura-Lain]

ELE08 wrote...

It is indeed a texmod.  Mass Effect 1 Colossus armor (the shiney red and black one) retextured to look like Asari commando.

This is a better shot of it



Stumbled across it on the old forums.

Ooo, lovely! And what a fantastic Femshep pose, btw. Amazonian and feminine at the same time! Stunning.

Modifié par Iwakura-Lain, 06 octobre 2010 - 12:29 .

[Grand Admiral Cheesecake]

Do any Paragon decisions ever come back to bite you in the ass?

[Jagged Orchid]

Grand Admiral Cheesecake wrote...

Do any Paragon decisions ever come back to bite you in the ass?

Not that I can remember. I figure it's only a matter of time.

[adneate]

Grand Admiral Cheesecake wrote...

Do any Paragon decisions ever come back to bite you in the ass?

No it's a little annoying by now truth be told, not blowing Rana's head off kinda does because she doesn't change and is still involved in very questionable medical science.

[Iwakura-Lain]

Grand Admiral Cheesecake wrote...

Do any Paragon decisions ever come back to bite you in the ass?

There was one instance, if I recall, in ME1, when a C-Sec captain or some such asks you to discretely check in/spy on some bad guys in a bar. If you go down there, and decide to do the 'right' thing and just bring the bastards in, you'll get slammed pretty hard (+14 Renegade, I believe). Of course, the real Paragon thing to do was to just do as you were asked. Sure scorched my ass on that one, LOL.

Modifié par Iwakura-Lain, 06 octobre 2010 - 12:38 .

[Jagged Orchid]

rynluna wrote...

Kathryn is prepared for the consequences.  Oh and she always saves the hostages.  It could be seen as foolish but she wasn't going to stoop to Balak's level.  I play her Paragon with a rare renegade choice thrown in every once in a while but she's not a Paragade.

Sounds like your Kathryn and my Alexandra are equally foolish then:P

Alex knows she is possibly being foolish. However she is ever diplomatic. She will fight when it is necessary, but she doesn't shed blood when she doesn't have too. Although I think sometimes she is a little too trusting and idealistic for her own good.

[ADLegend21]

It hink the one paragon choice that will bite shep in the ass is he Balak one. because if you take the renegade route he talks about the batarian rebellions and I think we might see that in me3. just my take, nothing to really back it but I wouldn't be surprised.

[Jagged Orchid]

Iwakura-Lain wrote...

Grand Admiral Cheesecake wrote...

Do any Paragon decisions ever come back to bite you in the ass?

There was one instance, if I recall, in ME1, when a C-Sec captain or some such asks you to discretely check in/spy on some bad guys in a bar. If you go down there, and decide to do the 'right' thing and just bring the bastards in, you'll get slammed pretty hard (+14 Renegade, I believe). Of course, the real Paragon thing to do was to just do as you were asked. Sure scorched my ass on that one, LOL.

Oh yeah, I remember that quest. I was pretty stunned but that one too. Although technically you did kind of start a fight.

I had to reload to a much earlier save as I was going for a full Paragon run.

[jlb524]

BDtS for me....



Rachel Shepard (Paragon): saves hostages. If their are innocents to be saved, she will save them.



Amelia Shepard (Renegade): kills Balak....bad guys must die no matter the cost.

[theelementslayer]

Grand Admiral Cheesecake wrote...

Do any Paragon decisions ever come back to bite you in the ass?

Im hoping they will. I hate how the paragon is always the "right" choice. My sheps a cautous one so thats why the Rachni and shila didnt survive, they were with the geth. But no I was wrong to kill them ah well makes me feel good knowing they cant hurt me

[Jagged Orchid]

ADLegend21 wrote...

It hink the one paragon choice that will bite shep in the ass is he Balak one. because if you take the renegade route he talks about the batarian rebellions and I think we might see that in me3. just my take, nothing to really back it but I wouldn't be surprised.

But really is that such a bad thing? My Alex holds strong to her beliefs. She doesn't make a decision because she wants to be the "good guy." She does it because that is truely what she believs in. Personally I woulnd't feel all that bad if something did finally catch up to her. Seems like she's gotten off pretty easy so far.

[kraidy1117]

My main Shepard Fiona has made some choices that could bite her in the ass in the future (rewriting the Geth) but a lot of choices she has made have been for the greater good or to protect people. For example she killed Balak.

[Iwakura-Lain]

Valagil wrote...

My Alex holds strong to her beliefs. She doesn't make a decision because she wants to be the "good guy." She does it because that is truely what she believs in. Personally I woulnd't feel all that bad if something did finally catch up to her. Seems like she's gotten off pretty easy so far.

Exactly. That's what my Kira does too. Sure, she strives to be Paragon; and really makes a consorted effort being the 'good guy.' But it's not always about letting the other guy live: sometimes she needs to be able to live with herself too; and that means a bad guy dies. Like Jacob's father. You don't get to turn your own survival crew into your own little private harem and walk. For Kira, handing him that gun was the Paragon thing to do: he had disgraced his uniform and everything it stands for. And out of respect for Jacob she let him take the honorable way out; a way that would bring the least public shame on him, and on Jacob. But no, letting him walk out of there, that was never an option. He had made his choice a long time ago: the bullet he had coming just hadn't caught up with him yet.

[Fraevar]

Grand Admiral Cheesecake wrote...

Do any Paragon decisions ever come back to bite you in the ass?

Nothing that is a Charm or Intimidate option ever will, no. When you look at the design philosophy for the ME verse, those options are IWIN buttons.

Now, the choices which are not Charm or Intimidate options might. Though again - realistically - would BioWare suddenly gimp your options for ME3 if you killed off the Rachni in ME1? With their standalone design philosophy I have my doubts. I expected my Balak decision from ME1 to come back to haunt me - it never did, just got a news mention.

Modifié par Delerius_Jedi, 06 octobre 2010 - 01:30 .

[sagefic]

rynluna wrote...

Valagil wrote...

Grand Admiral Cheesecake wrote...

Do any Paragon decisions ever come back to bite you in the ass?

Not that I can remember. I figure it's only a matter of time.

Kathryn is prepared for the consequences.  Oh and she always saves the hostages.  It could be seen as foolish but she wasn't going to stoop to Balak's level.  I play her Paragon with a rare renegade choice thrown in every once in a while but she's not a Paragade.

this.

i do this also. and i fully expect a paragon action to bite you in the a**. but i also expect some renegade ones will also. i think the interesting thing to see will be if you need a critical mass of one vs. the other to defeat the reapers without shep dying in ME3. (i.e., keeping the base will give you tech, but if you didn't, the rachni armies + wrex and his ungeophaged krogans will hold the line; balak will take out an alliance base and not saving the space port on watson will make the alliance weaker, but if you went paragon there, being a spectre status again will mean the council helps you out, etc.)