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[Sable Phoenix]

Meh, even though I agonize over the BDTS decision, it's barely a choice for Jessica. Military and law enforcement both have a policy of not negotiating with terrorists, hostage situation or no, and Jessica, being an Alliance Marine and a newly minted Spectre, is both. Plus her personal experience, seeing the atrocities that the invading batarians committed during the Skyllian Blitz, have assured that her own feelings on the matter are pretty clear too. She wasn't above shooting Balak in the legs and gut and letting him bleed out slowly and painfully, though.  This is another situation where I as the player am not entirely sure she's doing the right thing, but that's what she's going to do regardless.

The thought of the pain she is putting the Bowman family and the families of the rest of the engineers through hurts her, but she figures that's a small price to remove the risk of another asteroid being dropped on another colony somewhere down the line.

Modifié par Sable Phoenix, 06 octobre 2010 - 02:41 .

[BTG_01]

On my main ME1 playthrough, Shepard was mostly renegade although I left people alive when I thought it would create more interesting gameplay in the sequels (Wrex being the main example). I also saved the Council because yelling at them is fun.



Then there's some people you just have to kill, like "Lord" Darius. Honestly, is there anyone who made a deal with that guy?

[kommanderkat]

rynluna wrote...

kommanderkat wrote...

Uploaded another pic of my renegade Jane, 100% renegade now.  It's in the album, since I can't figure out any other way to put it here.  Sorry for the bad angle and it being blurry. (She kept moving her head. )And if anybody can post it in the thread I would be most thankful.
Hope you all like her.

All you have to do is right click
then copy image location
go here and paste the image between [*img] the image url you copied would go here[*/img] tags
remove the *
-snip-
There goes Renegade Jane!

Thanks RynLuna! I'll (try) remember that.

[adneate]

BTG_01 wrote...
Then there's some people you just have to kill, like "Lord" Darius. Honestly, is there anyone who made a deal with that guy?

No, the Alliance sends you that mission hoping things will go south and you'll kill him and remove that messy problem for them. The Alliance uses Shepard in similar ways that Cerberus uses Shepard in the sequel, that's why I want Shepard to strike out on her own and work with Liara in ME3.

[BTG_01]

I guess I'm the only one who wants Shepard to go back to working with Hackett? Maybe I'm just nostalgic...

[Jagged Orchid]

rynluna wrote...

adneate wrote...
The Alliance uses Shepard in similar ways that Cerberus uses Shepard in the sequel, that's why I want Shepard to strike out on her own and work with Liara in ME3.

I completely agree.  I also like the romantic side of it too.  Shep can move in with Liara and use the new base as their headquarters.    Who knows what will happen though.  

As soon as I accepted that Liara was the new Shadow Broker, I decided that if I had anything to say about it, she would be my new partner in crime. Forget Cerberus and the Alliance. The only person my Separd can trust these days is Liara. Besides, there is always room in Sheps quarters if she needs a place to stay

Modifié par Valagil, 06 octobre 2010 - 03:11 .

[sagefic]

BTG_01 wrote...

I guess I'm the only one who wants Shepard to go back to working with Hackett? Maybe I'm just nostalgic...

No, I did, too. 

My shep knows the alliance is prone to mistakes and idiotic politics. But they saved her on Mindoir and Elysium and she'll always be grateful. They became her family and being with Cerberus makes her completely crazy. She's feeling very betrayed in ME2, I tell you what.

also: sable, that is very interesting what you said about hostage situations. i actually went and tried to research this when i first hit BDtS because I wanted my shep to make the "by the book" decision and i couldn't find anything conclusive.

[BTG_01]

mashavasilec wrote...

Hackett is one thing. but tell me, did u like rear admiral Mikhailovich? because half of the Alliance consists of asses like him

Well, no I didn't like Mikhailovich, but I did enjoy infuriating him. If Shep was on her own their wouldn't be any superiors to aggravate.

[Sable Phoenix]

sagequeen wrote...

BTG_01 wrote...

I guess I'm the only one who wants Shepard to go back to working with Hackett? Maybe I'm just nostalgic...

No, I did, too. 

My shep knows the alliance is prone to mistakes and idiotic politics. But they saved her on Mindoir and Elysium and she'll always be grateful. They became her family and being with Cerberus makes her completely crazy. She's feeling very betrayed in ME2, I tell you what.

also: sable, that is very interesting what you said about hostage situations. i actually went and tried to research this when i first hit BDtS because I wanted my shep to make the "by the book" decision and i couldn't find anything conclusive.

Law enforcement in the U.S. has a policy of never ransoming hostages under any situation.  If in one situation you will break under that kind of pressure, you lose any and all positions of power when dealing with criminals and terrorists in the future, and every encounter with them from there on out will be a hostage negotiation.  As for the military, if they are dealing with a hostage situation, it's already gone way past negotiation and the objective is to kill the terrorists.  Extraction of hostages is usually a secondary objective at that point.

Modifié par Sable Phoenix, 06 octobre 2010 - 03:37 .

[sagefic]

Sable Phoenix wrote...

sagequeen wrote...

BTG_01 wrote...

I guess I'm the only one who wants Shepard to go back to working with Hackett? Maybe I'm just nostalgic...

No, I did, too. 

My shep knows the alliance is prone to mistakes and idiotic politics. But they saved her on Mindoir and Elysium and she'll always be grateful. They became her family and being with Cerberus makes her completely crazy. She's feeling very betrayed in ME2, I tell you what.

also: sable, that is very interesting what you said about hostage situations. i actually went and tried to research this when i first hit BDtS because I wanted my shep to make the "by the book" decision and i couldn't find anything conclusive.

Law enforcement in the U.S. has a policy of never ransoming hostages under any situation.  If in one situation you will break under that kind of pressure, you lose any and all positions of power when dealing with criminals and terrorists in the future, and every encounter with them from there on out will be a hostage negotiation.  As for the military, if they are dealing with a hostage situation, it's already gone way past negotiation and the objective is to kill the terrorists.  Extraction of hostages is usually a secondary objective at that point.

thanks, that's useful. i truly did research (yeah, i'm a dork) trying to find this info when i hit that mission and i kept thinking "i SWEAR by the book would be not to negotiate" but could never find anything. do you happen to have a link? i do take your word for it...anyhow...

and now i retcon. 

Modifié par sagequeen, 06 octobre 2010 - 03:43 .

[Ashwraith]

BTG_01 wrote...

I guess I'm the only one who wants Shepard to go back to working with Hackett? Maybe I'm just nostalgic...

Oh, not at all. My Shep would jump at the chance to work with him again... so long as he doesn't expect her to come crawling back to the Alliance.
Because... yeah. No.  ಠ_ಠ

I really need to play LotSB. Unfortunately, if I go over my download cap, a large angry Russian man is liable to break my legs. I suspect I may be purchasing my bandwidth from the Mob.

[sagefic]

Wow. So, playing that renegade was...



...haunting.



But that feels canon now, and I suppose that's the key, ya know? Find the decision that feels right for the character. (since i could debate what's "right" here one way or the 'tother and still come to no conclusion) 

Modifié par sagequeen, 06 octobre 2010 - 05:29 .

[Sable Phoenix]

Yeah...

One of the reasons it remains so difficult on every playthrough is because you are shown the consequences of your actions personally. The blasted room with charred unrecognizable corpses is... well, it always gets me, too.

What did you do to Balak? Execute him? Wound him and let him bleed to death? Wound him and leave him for the Alliance? Or just leave him to be taken into custody with no extra injuries?

Jessica is deliberately cruel to him. I know the final shot is into his shoulder in the game, but I visualize her putting it into his gut. Being gutshot is a guaranteed death sentence, but it's very slow and painful. She felt he deserved at least that much.

And she's mostly Paragon, too.

Modifié par Sable Phoenix, 06 octobre 2010 - 06:01 .

[Vralenalien]

Valagil wrote...

rynluna wrote...

adneate wrote...
The Alliance uses Shepard in similar ways that Cerberus uses Shepard in the sequel, that's why I want Shepard to strike out on her own and work with Liara in ME3.

I completely agree.  I also like the romantic side of it too.  Shep can move in with Liara and use the new base as their headquarters.    Who knows what will happen though.  

As soon as I accepted that Liara was the new Shadow Broker, I decided that if I had anything to say about it, she would be my new partner in crime. Forget Cerberus and the Alliance. The only person my Separd can trust these days is Liara. Besides, there is always room in Sheps quarters if she needs a place to stay

This . Want's lots of blue children for broker base.
There's no way my Jane (Which is my 1st char and my canon) trusts alliance or anyone else for that matter than Liara. I think it's time for her to use them for a change.

[Vralenalien]

Now it's finally happened and I managed to get atleast one of my FemSheps past the point where she says to Liara that she only wants to be friends . Had to make save right after it so I just wouldn't go and load and do it again. (Which I did anyway and saved that too.) So now I have 2 Jennifers there. One with no romances and one romancing Liara. Meh, I'm weak.

[OrbitalWings]

More drawing progress...

http://pics.livejour...yu/pic/000g5g9s

[Jagged Orchid]

Vralenalien wrote...

Now it's finally happened and I managed to get atleast one of my FemSheps past the point where she says to Liara that she only wants to be friends . Had to make save right after it so I just wouldn't go and load and do it again. (Which I did anyway and saved that too.) So now I have 2 Jennifers there. One with no romances and one romancing Liara. Meh, I'm weak.

But at least you were able to get through that scene and you saved it. More than I've ever been able to do;)

[Iwakura-Lain]

rynluna wrote...

adneate wrote...
The Alliance uses Shepard in similar ways that Cerberus uses Shepard in the sequel, that's why I want Shepard to strike out on her own and work with Liara in ME3.

I completely agree.  I also like the romantic side of it too.  Shep can move in with Liara and use the new base as their headquarters.    Who knows what will happen though.  

^^ This.

Very well said, ryn. Liara and Femshep simply belong together. The Alliance dumped on her at Horizon, and Cerberus just used her to further their own agenda. In the end, though Liara was initally 'cold' towards Femshep when they met again (out of pain of losing her again; I now realize that), in the final analysis, Liara was truly the only one who cared. Seeing Femshep's old helmet in Liara's home made me melt. From the movie Contact: "You feel so lost, so cut off, so alone, only you're not. See, in all our searching, the only thing we've found that makes the emptiness bearable is each other." Liara could have said that to Femshep.

Modifié par Iwakura-Lain, 06 octobre 2010 - 12:34 .

[f1r3storm]

Valagil wrote...

rynluna wrote...

adneate wrote...
The Alliance uses Shepard in similar ways that Cerberus uses Shepard in the sequel, that's why I want Shepard to strike out on her own and work with Liara in ME3.

I completely agree.  I also like the romantic side of it too.  Shep can move in with Liara and use the new base as their headquarters.    Who knows what will happen though.  

As soon as I accepted that Liara was the new Shadow Broker, I decided that if I had anything to say about it, she would be my new partner in crime. Forget Cerberus and the Alliance. The only person my Separd can trust these days is Liara. Besides, there is always room in Sheps quarters if she needs a place to stay

I could see that happen. Shepard breaks with Cerberus and works with a person she can really trust (Liara). And there are also the Shadow Brokers resources that would help her. Shepard is kind of a symbol, i think she wouldn't need to work for the Alliance or Cerberus in order to achieve whatever is necessary to end the reaper thread.


But i just want my happy ending.

[Iwakura-Lain]

sagequeen wrote...

Wow. So, playing that renegade was...

That biotic glow on her, at least, looks awesome on that Armor.