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[sagefic]

Okay, a few new screens to share:



"I hate the press." 



Getting ideas.



"When you look out at something this beautiful..."

or,

Kaidan enjoys the view.



Getting ideas (again).

May I just add that I am SO boring when it comes to the ME romances? I found my fave and have no interest in "trying" the other ones. I think some of the Liara fans touched on this. Or those who did no romances - it's really hard not to do my canon shep over and over again. So, yeah, just canon shep for me.

Modifié par sagequeen, 07 octobre 2010 - 11:04 .

[Grand Admiral Cheesecake]

Well I've always had a tough time doing any romances with FemShep in ME2.

And in ME I almost always go with Liara.

I guess I'm predictable.

[Jagged Orchid]

I understand completely. I found a romance that worked (Liara) and haven't looked back since. I've tried, but I've yet to succeed. Oh well, My Shep knows what she likes that's all.

[sagefic]

i guess i've just noticed this trend - some people do try multiple romances in ME, but a lot just stick to just one. in da:o, i had a character for each romance (though i didn't complete all playthroughs). but in ME, i have never actually done a single other romance line.

edit: that's what it is for me: in DA:O, it's other characters. 

In ME, it's just shep - only shep, and in my head, shep likes what shep likes and kyrie shep likes nice men (to quote a certain space princess)

Modifié par sagequeen, 07 octobre 2010 - 11:09 .

[Jagged Orchid]

sagequeen wrote...

i guess i've just noticed this trend - some people do try multiple romances in ME, but a lot just stick to just one. in da:o, i had a character for each romance (though i didn't complete all playthroughs). but in ME, i have never actually done a single other romance line.

How much of that was due to each character in DA:O having their own personality?  I know I played the game very similar for all my characters but they where ultimately different. My human noble female was with Alistair and my City Elf female with Leliana. Point is, they were more or less 2 separate entities.

In ME, there is only one Shepard. I've tried creating others, but Alex is really the only way to go. That is why I've only been able to romance one person. I can change up some actions. I've changed classes and even mixed up some of the paragon/renegade responses, but in the end, she is still Alexandra Shepard.

Modifié par Valagil, 07 octobre 2010 - 11:20 .

[sagefic]

@ val: yes. and i was editing my post while you were posting that.

so true. human mage romanced alistair. human noble woman (kyrie, essentially), no one. human noble male, morrigan. elf mage, zevran, other human noble woman, lillian...leilll...um...the bard.

it was that - RP meant each took on a totally different feel and so romance. shepard is like this particular person - once she came into focus for me, i can't change up her essentials much. and i find a romance is an essential, as it reveals a lot about her hopes, dreams, etc. - all the more so if she chooses none at all, as that says a lot about whether she needs or wants any of the people she's met so far.

Modifié par sagequeen, 07 octobre 2010 - 11:19 .

[sagefic]

 okay, not femshep, but i need to share:

some of the armor in ME1 is so silly:



Kaidan: You have a belly button on your armor.
Garrus: Yeah, well you have nothing more than a flap over your...
Kaidan: Hey! At least I'm not wearing a thong.

Modifié par sagequeen, 07 octobre 2010 - 11:22 .

[Sable Phoenix]

While Liara is my favorite romance, I did go with Kaidan on my very first playthrough of ME. Of course that Shep didn't survive, I can't even remember her name any more, and honestly, the fraternization regs are there for a reason, so it feels... I dunno, Shepard always feels like an Alliance Marine first and foremost, no matter what variants on the character I think up in my head. Whether her attitude is "the best way to see the universe is from behind a cannon" or "the future of humanity is out here", whether she's a get-the-job-done-at-any-cost type or an always-try-to-do-the-right-thing type, she doesn't strike me as one to flout the regulations easily. I guess that's why the Ashley and Kaidan romances feel awkward to me, even though both characters are very well-written. Liara on the other hand is outside the Alliance chain of command, and Shepard is a Spectre so she could sleep with whomever she wants that's outside the chain of command and the Alliance can't say anything about it.

On one of my playthroughs I also went with Garrus, because he's such a close buddy by the time ME2 rolls around and Shep is so very lonely. It was awkward and hilarious and charming and ultimately very sweet, and now I want to make another Shep specifically for Garrus... but I can't really get into playing anyone but Jessica, at least for now, and as much as she likes Garrus she's a Liara girl through and through. In my head-canon she cares for them both too much to hurt them with an affair, especially when she knows ahead of time she ultimately couldn't stay with Garrus.

Modifié par Sable Phoenix, 07 octobre 2010 - 11:24 .

[Jagged Orchid]

Which makes me wonder what will happen with DA2, but that's getting OT.



In a way, I'm glad that I can connect so strongly the my Shep. It gives her so much more personality. I think in a sense it breaths a lot of life into the character. Part of that is what has kept me so engrossed in this game. I've played through I think 5 or 6 times now. I can't say the same about most games I've played. For me it is because there is just one Shepard. I know other people have no problem creating multiple Shepard's. I've just grown too attached to Alex and what she has become.



Her relationship with Liara (for me) is crucial to the story and to Alex's development and growth as a person. I guess that is part of the reason I can't see things any other way.

[sagefic]

Sable Phoenix wrote...

she doesn't strike me as one to flout the regulations easily.

i totally see this. and for me, that's what made the femshep/kaidan pairing so sweet. it just was like, lovers parted by a hairsbreadth, you know? there is this deep understanding, respect, friendship and it's just not enough for either of them without it becoming more.

but to each their own be. i love that they made so many options to please everyone, because clearly kaidan is not everyone's cup of hot coffee, black, no sugar.

[Sable Phoenix]

sagequeen wrote...

Sable Phoenix wrote...

she doesn't strike me as one to flout the regulations easily.

i totally see this. and for me, that's what made the femshep/kaidan pairing so sweet. it just was like, lovers parted by a hairsbreadth, you know? there is this deep understanding, respect, friendship and it's just not enough for either of them without it becoming more.

but to each their own be. i love that they made so many options to please everyone, because clearly kaidan is not everyone's cup of hot coffee, black, no sugar.

I know!  You did that so well in your Chosen Of The Slain fic, which I just recently reviewed on FF.net; that fic just hurt to read, you really captured the passion shared between Kaidan and Kyrie and the difficulty the had trying to fit that into their careers and the anguish of all the characters around her death.  I loved your treatment of Liara, too.  I've yet to start Valhalla, but Chosen was just painfully evocative.  I totally understand how people can do the Kaidan romance.  It's just for me, Jessica's a diehard Alliance believer, and even if she wasn't going for Liara, she'd find it hard to get past that for Kaidan's sake (her gang years and all the messed-up stuff men did to her don't help either).

Modifié par Sable Phoenix, 07 octobre 2010 - 11:44 .

[Sable Phoenix]

Now this is cool.  A friend said to me, "I know who would play Jess Shepard in the movie adaptation of your Mass Effect playthrough", and sent me a photo of this actress:



Her name's Rebecca Hazlewood, and it's pretty amazing how close the match is.

Modifié par Sable Phoenix, 08 octobre 2010 - 12:04 .

[kglaser]

Wow, all that's missing is the beauty mark! Pretty amazing resemblance.

[adneate]

Sable Phoenix wrote...
she doesn't strike me as one to flout the regulations easily.

Very much this and what you said about Liara, the fact that she's out side of the Alliance and a civilian really changes the scenario for me personally. When ME1 first came out my first DudeShep went with Ashley and it was alright I guess, however that was before I joined the Army. Now it has a totally different context and even in a game I don't think I could follow it through, the fact of the matter is stuff like that is career ending in any capacity. The commander of the Canadian battlegroup in Afganistan got brought down for having a relationship with a subordinate (non-com to boot) so both of those individual's careers are over in addition to facing possible formal charges. So I can't see stuff like that as "Cute" or "Romantic" it's just conduct unbecoming and career suicide. I'm such a kill joy huh?

[sagefic]

very cool!

[JamieCOTC]

@ sagequeen
Yeah, Kyrie is one of the most realistic femSheps I've seen. I need to go read your fic, now.

@ Sable
Very cool indeed!! Jess is another realistic Shep. 


This never gets old.

I've got multiple Shepards, but I've only made it through both games w/ one. UJ is a little slack w/ the regs, as far as fraternization goes. In her history she even had a brief affair w/ a woman in her squad. The woman was lower rank and married. I think it was before Akuze.

Modifié par JamieCOTC, 08 octobre 2010 - 12:25 .

[jlb524]

I've stuck with romancing Liara with all my Sheps...I just really like it that much. I'm trying to make a third Shepard now (Vanguard, since I need to play that class) in ME1...I hate going through the pains of creating a new Shep I like.

[Ashwraith]

You know something? I think the Shadow Broker must actually exist.
And he is conspiring to keep the LotSB DLC from me, because he knows that when my Shep catches him she is going to rearrange his face.
I made a stop over at my old college campus today, so that I could download it onto a flash drive without the risk of Large Angry Russian Men trying to break my legs for going over the bandwidth limit.
I forgot how much faster the campus internet connection is. It downloaded 1.5 gigs in just under six minutes. If I were to try that on my computer, it'd take the better part of two days. Except the download kept getting to 99%. After which it would crash. And I'd have to CtrlAltDel just so I could start over.
This happened TEN FRAKKING TIMES. ಠ_ಠ
I felt like I was channeling TermiShep by the end. I was seriously just inches away from going "RAAAAH! PUNY COMPUTER! SHEPARD SMASH!"

....What was my point with this post, other than shameless venting?
Oh yes.
I haven't played ME2 for a few weeks, and my FemShep is getting all dusty from neglect. I'ma dust her off just for this DLC. And I notice from the sudden influx of laaaaaaaahvely screenshots that most of you have played it.
Please tell me LotSB is worth the massive headache. Pleeeeeeease. ;3;

Modifié par Ashwraith, 08 octobre 2010 - 12:44 .

[sagefic]

adneate wrote...

So I can't see stuff like that as "Cute" or "Romantic" it's just conduct unbecoming and career suicide. I'm such a kill joy huh?

Well, here's a couple thoughts (in no particular order):

- Shep romancing Liara, while not strictly against the book, is also a little dicey. You saved her, she's clearly hero-worshipping shep at first (though it can grow into much more), and she's in a very vulnerable place and she's a member of your team. While it's not quite against regulations, there are also reasons to give a CO pause in romancing her also.

- Shep going into the ship with the intention to romance Ash/Kaidan while on duty, yeah, totally stupid. But Kaidan makes it pretty clear from what he hints that he's fully intending to wait until the mission is over. It seemed clear to me that this was a "when you're not my CO anymore and we're on shore leave or different assignments, let's see about this" sort of thing. now, i know the military from the outside only, but i have a few relatives who met and married in that way: met on assignment, dated AFTER. so that seems to me, while skirting protocol, is an understandable way to deal with attraction to someone you meet that way.

- Shep and Ash/Kaidan before Ilos...that whole situation - again, I think it depends on the take. before battle hook-up is cheesy, but it's what the game gave us to work with. i have in my head thought of shep/kaidan basically as making this choice after virmire, after realizing how short life can be, then trying to deal with the consequences after.

- Shep is a Spectre now, which REALLY muddies the waters on regs. It is never made clear if she'd be taken to task for fraternization. But the regs clearly apply to Kaidan (Ash), so that makes for an interesting moment - shep might get used to her freedoms enough to forget about the regs, but i don't think kaidan, for one, ever would.

I've read fanfic, where Shep/Kaidan is just like "we're dating openly and no one cares." I've also seen fanfic where they have one indiscretion and then go back to "just friends."

Personally, I find their fraternization one of those not-optimal decisions, but a highly human decision all the same. Shep/Kaidan have this relationship that ISN'T perfect and yet it comes to mean everything to them.

But then again, I'm a firm believer in the fact that Kaidan is not the perfect fit for Shep, and that's why I like them together. They are a BAD fit (at least he and Kyrie are) and their struggles with each other make them better people. Like emma and knightly... or something.

I totally hear what you're saying about regs, and I try to keep that in my mind as I play - knowing the stakes, realizing what they would be for shep and kaidan. i don't think it's "cute" - it IS irresponsible and yet, once that can of worms is opened (which i could never see it NOT being opened with my character), then they have to deal with how to move on.

yeah... okay. i'm done now.

[sagefic]

JamieCOTC wrote...

@ sagequeen
Yeah, Kyrie is one of the most realistic femSheps I've seen. I need to go read your fic, now.

 yay!

[sagefic]

Ashwraith wrote...
Please tell me LotSB is worth the massive headache. Pleeeeeeease. ;3;

I had to download it twice, completely re-install ME2 because of internal errors,AND spent 3 days trying to figure out why it hung up on a particular cut scene.

It was TOTALLY worth it.

[sagefic]

well, i sort of feel like everyone hero-worships shep, the way they write it.

[adneate]

sagequeen wrote...
I totally hear what you're saying about regs, and I try to keep that in my mind as I play - knowing the stakes, realizing what they would be for shep and kaidan. i don't think it's "cute" - it IS irresponsible and yet, once that can of worms is opened (which i could never see it NOT being opened with my character), then they have to deal with how to move on.

I understand it is a game after all! Still sometimes people seem a little too dismissive of the regs, like you can just ignore them and everything will be fine. I don't know how it is in the US but in the Canadian Forces they come down on people who break the regs like a ton of bricks and your career is done for good. Though thankfully the problem dies with Shepard, since she's not Alliance anymore she can do whatever she pleases whenever she wants.

sagequeen wrote...
well, i sort of feel like everyone hero-worships shep, the way they write it.

I see that too, it's not unexpected Shepard has a very powerful and dynamic personality others would be drawn to her. Liara is clearly quite taken with Shepard's personality in ME1, though any LI is since if they weren't attrached to Shepard they wouldn't be a LI would they? Liara is interesting though if you characterize their attraction as sudden she'll sort of sigh about how you make it sound so chaotic and dangerous, you can then say that you'll protect her and she will say that she appreciates the thought but she doesn't need someone to protect her. I don't think any of the ME1 romances fit into the hero-worship category, they still very much retain their individuality. In ME2 you can accuse some of the romances of becoming hero-worship relationships where the other person becomes dependent on Shepard. The Tali romance can very much become one, to the point where you can essentially become the substitue for her deceased Father. Which is all kinds of werid . . .

Edit: I should say that the Liara romance isn't some how more professional, it's just that it doesn't have the baggage of military conditioning that time and time again drills it into your head that fraternization is very, very bad and you do not engage in it in any capacity ever.

Modifié par adneate, 08 octobre 2010 - 01:59 .