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[sagefic]

@ ad: i hope i was making it clear that i agree with you about the regs. in my fanfic, i had to think long and hard about what tack they would take, especially after ilos. i don't think they'd take it lightly, and yet, i think the desire to ignore the regs would grow stronger every day. i don't see it as "romantic" but i do see it as interesting and dramatic. but not necessarily in a good way. if that makes sense. let's put it this way, i don't find "forbidden" romances fun for their own sake. i can appreciate the drama, but that's not the appeal.



and i take back the "hero worship" comment. that's not really what i meant. me2 hero worships shep. in me1, she's just this person. but i do feel that liara being on the squad, while not a regs thing, still makes approaching her for a relationship a delicate venture

Modifié par sagequeen, 08 octobre 2010 - 02:12 .

[Iwakura-Lain]

JamieCOTC wrote...

Love and Death and Commander Shepard

While LotSB does a good job of allowing Liara to deal w/ Shepard’s resurrection, Shep still remains fairly mute on the subject, save a couple of jokes.  As much as I would like her to at least ponder the question, I’m not certain she will.  Popular culture is littered w/ heroes and villains alike who have risen from their graves.  Everyone from Superman to Sherlock Holmes has come back from the great beyond.  The mistake many make, including BW (for ME2 anyway), is that it becomes a plot point that is either hastily discarded or glossed over.  It is, as pointed out before, a means to an end and nothing more.  Still, I have to give BW points for trying.  In burying Shepard’s soul searching lament on time lost within the femShep/Jacob romance, BW tried to have their cake and eat it too. John Shepard could remain resolute and stoically unaffected by this death and Jane Shepard could choose to go
either way.  Had the femShep/Jacob romance been well written then it would have worked.  Sadly, even the priiiiiize of femShep’s lament isn’t worth that much effort.

I couldn't agree more! (Well, I probably could, but I agree enough already).

Catching up myself, as I have been doing the last few days (my, this group moves fast!), I've really begun to be bothered more and more, on an emotional level, that Shepard hardly deals with her death. The more everyone says it -- including myself, LOL -- the more I realize it's true. And I realize I've really been missing it, RPG-wise, to the point where it almost became a immersion-breaker for me. So, I do what I always do in such cases, I try my hand at some fanart again, to express what keeps my soul in turmoil. Okay (shameless plug), here it is:

ranka-mei.deviantart.com/#/d30adum

Hope you like it.

Fake edit: Oh, and if you have the time, please read the little story that goes along with it. They kinda go together.

[adneate]

sagequeen wrote...
i don't see it as "romantic" but i do see it as interesting and dramatic. but not necessarily in a good way. if that makes sense.

No I get what you're saying, it was just a general comment and not really designed to sway anybody's opinion or directed at any one person in particular. After a long time hearing people talk about ignoring them or acting like they don't exist I just felt like saying what they're like in real life and how serious it actually is. Just my 2 cents as someone who does live with said rules.

[Jagged Orchid]

Iwakura-Lain wrote...

I couldn't agree more! (Well, I probably could, but I agree enough already).

Catching up myself, as I have been doing the last few days (my, this group moves fast!), I've really begun to be bothered more and more, on an emotional level, that Shepard hardly deals with her death. The more everyone says it -- including myself, LOL -- the more I realize it's true. And I realize I've really been missing it, RPG-wise, to the point where it almost became a immersion-breaker for me. So, I do what I always do in such cases, I try my hand at some fanart again, to express what keeps my soul in turmoil. Okay (shameless plug), here it is:

ranka-mei.deviantart.com/#/d30adum

Hope you like it.

Fake edit: Oh, and if you have the time, please read the little story that goes along with it. They kinda go together.

Just wanted to say that this is amazing. You really do a great job at capturing Shepards feelings. The little story that goes with it really helps tie in her emotions. I really love your work. Great job!

[sagefic]

@ ad: i see that. and i agree with you. it actually sometimes is hard because some people don't see the regs as an issue and so see kaidan as being silly/overly reluctant, etc. or whatever. i think each romance really has a good "fit" for a certain kind of shep. mine just seemed to fit with kaidan in her not-fitting-with-kaidan way.

[Sable Phoenix]

As far as Liara and Jessica, well, Jessica was initially resistant to it. Her chequered sexual past did include women every once in a while, but it was usually under some kind of coercion and never something she enjoyed (of course, nothing in her sexual history was something she enjoyed). On the other hand, Jessica has an unhealthy idolization of the asari. The idea of an all-female race seems wonderful to her because she equates it to race without violence or exploitation (hah!). They are these distant, somewhat ethereal, nearly perfect beings to her, and the idea that one of them could fall for her (yes, poor self image played a role) was actually more intoxicating than the idea of Liara falling for her. Add to that her totally cute, bookish, naive, almost innocent personality, and Liara also got wrapped up in the protective "mother bear" role that Jessica used to play for younger girls in the gangs once she became a teen.

That sounds kinda exploitative, kind of scummy, and yeah, I guess it is. But everything about Liara struck chords with Jessica's past, and as much as she'd never, ever admit it, as much as she'd protest it till she's blue (heh) in the face, the one way to override Jessica's Alliance programming is to hit her through her past. Her past rules her, and to a large part, her actions.

I'm not saying it's healthy. Jessica isn't. Her relationship with Liara isn't, or at least it didn't start that way. But even by the end of ME1, it grew into something of immense tenderness, and I just can't wait to get to Shadow Broker and find out how much it matures.  Especially since Illium kind of slapped her across the face with the darker side of the asari.  She was shocked at how bigoted and prejudiced asari really are, and their permisiveness of the slave trade grated on her like twelve-grit sandpaper.

Modifié par Sable Phoenix, 08 octobre 2010 - 02:30 .

[Iwakura-Lain]

rynluna wrote...





Shai Shepard.  She's troubled but I am really enjoying playing through ME2 with her.  Her personality is completely different than Kathryn's and I am glad it is since Shepard to me is Kathryn.  Shai is like Kathryn's dark sister.  I care for her a lot though and she deserves a hug. 

And again you created a masterpiece! Her expression is awesome! She's not overly pretty per se, yet comely. Yet her eyes is where you really shine. They look indeed kinda belonging to someone who is troubled by some darkness. Yet -- and I honestly don't know how you do it -- but her entire face, eyes includes, craves for love, as it were. Almost as on impulse, I would indeed walk up to her and hug her. Chapeau!

[Sable Phoenix]

See... we had little bits of flashback in the Normandy Crash Site DLC. If only that had been expanded on more during the game! Nice little piece of art.

[JamieCOTC]

I don't see any hero-worship w/ the Liara/Shep thing either. Liara is clearly grateful to Shep for saving her, but she doesn't faun all over Shep for it. Liara gets tied to the mission in a way no one else does except Shepard herself. So, yeah, I can understand a CO being a bit cautious w/ entering a relationship w/ her.

As to Kaiden, my girl shoots him down pretty quickly, and I think that's the only renegade response she delivers to any crew mate. Even though she kind of feels bad about it, she doesn't want to lead him on. She immediately goes back to being polite and respectful of his views and feelings. Though I have to say, I always love it when she gives him the "I saw her first" line in regards to Liara. The delivery of his reply is priceless.

Modifié par JamieCOTC, 08 octobre 2010 - 02:30 .

[Iwakura-Lain]

Valagil wrote...

Just wanted to say that this is amazing. You really do a great job at capturing Shepards feelings. The little story that goes with it really helps tie in her emotions. I really love your work. Great job!

rynluna wrote...

Great job.  I left a comment on dA and I added it to the group.

Thanks, rynluna and Valagil! I really appreciate the comments.

[adneate]

JamieCOTC wrote...
Though I have to say, I always love it when she gives him the "I saw her first" line in regards to Liara. The delivery of his reply is priceless.

Glad to see I'm not the only one, that line and when you get it can feel way too early for Shepard to essentially say "Dibs on the hot Blue girl!" but it's a guilty pleasure. His reply is fantastic and probably why I save Kaiden instead of Ashley now, as shallow as a reason it might be. It can't be serious and well thought you all the time, hell the only reason I personally keep the Council around is just to have the opprotunity to make my Shep yell at the Turian Councillor some more they hate each other and I love it!

Modifié par adneate, 08 octobre 2010 - 02:39 .

[Iwakura-Lain]

Sable Phoenix wrote...

See... we had little bits of flashback in the Normandy Crash Site DLC. If only that had been expanded on more during the game! Nice little piece of art.

Yes! That would have been an excellent place for it. Even though I think something so major deserved a little standard ME2 time, too. But the Normandy Crash Site DLC would indeed have a most suitable spot for it. You're finding dog tags and all, so plenty of room for a few moments of reflection.

[JamieCOTC]

@ Iwakura-Lain

Beautiful art and story. Very well done. Now I'm getting jazzed to do something about this.

Modifié par JamieCOTC, 08 octobre 2010 - 02:43 .

[ADLegend21]

ugh i miss all the good convo's nowadays!!! but femshep is still awesome.

[Iwakura-Lain]

sagequeen wrote...

- Shep romancing Liara, while not strictly against the book, is also a little dicey. You saved her, she's clearly hero-worshipping shep at first (though it can grow into much more), and she's in a very vulnerable place and she's a member of your team.

I'd say there was definitely hero-worshipping going on with Liara at first. She was, after all, by Asari standards, just pretty much a teenager; and she kinda behaved accordingly (at emotional level). They really did a great job, IMHO, making Liara more mature come ME2. Not that there was anything wrong with her the first time: I'm simply glad they acknowledged Liara would grow some. In the ME2 Liara you can really see a potential Benezia. With the soft voice and all, it's easy to forget a trained Asari is not someone to f*ck with.

As for flirting, My Kira doesn't mind the attentions of a certain Yeoman (it all goes no where, anywhere). And I never felt disloyal to Liara about it, either, especially since it's just that: a bit of harmless flirting. I just kinda like the idea of walking up the Bridge and be greeted by someone who not only has to report to you, but who actually enjoys doing so. I never explained etiquette to Ms. Chambers. Never had to, either: she's a psychologist; she, above all, knows the pitfalls of onboard romances. We both know it'll never go anywhere. But when the rest of the galaxy wants you dead, it's sorta soothing to know you're occassionally just wanted, as well.

Modifié par Iwakura-Lain, 08 octobre 2010 - 03:08 .

[sagefic]

@ Sable Phoenix

your story about jessica is just pure win. i love it! yes, i too, was shocked by illium and the asari there. sadness, but it made the good ones stand out all the more.

[adneate]

Iwakura-Lain wrote...
With the soft voice and all, it's easy to forget a trained Asari is not someone to f*ck with.

In more ways than one, she was incredibly useful in ME1 because Biotics were so overpowered and dispite the Nerfin' in ME2 she's still super useful. I selfishly want her to be a squadmate from the start of ME3 just because I love how her skill set works with my Vanguard, we stomped the SB goons into paste together. We never did get a real Adept squaddie to replace her in ME2 . . .

[JamieCOTC]

I did a little fic a couple of nights ago that came out quite well, oddly enough. A word of warning, however. Although there is no sex or violence (outside what is already in the game) some may find this piece a tad disturbing. Also, there's some pretty harsh language here and there too. I sent it to Ryn and she thought it would be okay to post here. This is probably more build up than it needs and I'm just being paranoid, but anyway ...

The Interrogation

Modifié par JamieCOTC, 08 octobre 2010 - 03:31 .

[sagefic]

^ yes. miranda could mop the floor with jack, sadly, what with slam and warp, i brought her everwhere.

[Iwakura-Lain]

adneate wrote...

Iwakura-Lain wrote...
With the soft voice and all, it's easy to forget a trained Asari is not someone to f*ck with.

In more ways than one, she was incredibly useful in ME1 because Biotics were so overpowered and dispite the Nerfin' in ME2 she's still super useful. I selfishly want her to be a squadmate from the start of ME3 just because I love how her skill set works with my Vanguard, we stomped the SB goons into paste together. We never did get a real Adept squaddie to replace her in ME2 . . .

Yep, Liara really rocked in ME1 as squad mate! It's because of her, actually, that I actively started using biotics.

Who knows, maybe we'll all meet again as squaddies in "Lair of The Shadow Broker 2: The Wrath Of Liara." But, in earnest, her being the Shadow Broker and all, much as I hope to be able to permantly add her to my ME3 team, it seems doubtful for that reason.

[Sable Phoenix]

yorkj86 wrote...

adneate wrote...

In more ways than one, she was incredibly useful in ME1 because Biotics were so overpowered and dispite the Nerfin' in ME2 she's still super useful. I selfishly want her to be a squadmate from the start of ME3 just because I love how her skill set works with my Vanguard, we stomped the SB goons into paste together. We never did get a real Adept squaddie to replace her in ME2 . . .

Jack should have been the Adept teammate, but she's a Vanguard, instead.  She possesses all of the defensive weaknesses of the Adept, and lacks Singularity, which she really could have used to strip defenses.   They really don't want squadmates to have Singularity.

I'm still sore about Jack having all of that power, but not being able to use it, due to gameplay mechanics.

'Zackly.  I am keeping an eye on the Modding Is Possible thread to find out if they figure out how to reassign squad powers, because Jack will get Slam and Miranda will get Warp Ammo.  It just makes more sense for their characters anyway.