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[Chignon]

Delerius_Jedi wrote...

Chignon wrote...

Fanart like this makes me even more baffled as to how and why Bioware could think it was a good idea to not let Shepard have the opportunity to reflect on her death and resurrection at all.

Because the "80% who play male Shepard" don't want that, according to all the marketing research they do based on what people who play Halo and Gears of War like.
*snip*

Ah yes, the fabled 80%. How could I ever forget?

Sable Phoenix wrote...

(... and holy crap is femShep hot in that dress...)

*snip*
"I've heard a lot about you, Mr. Hock.  It's a... pleasure."

She's beautiful, Sable.  Too bad about the walking animation, though.

[sagefic]

part of the trouble with being a hot AND intelligent lady is the line between the woman owning her sexuality (emma peel) and the woman being defined by it as an object (lara croft, intentions aside). ashely fits the first, miranda sadly slides into the latter (which is really too bad, as she's an awesome character imo). while hale's voicing solidly holds femshep in the "i am my own person" territory, i agree, it would be hard to make her "prettier" without pushing her from subject to object (which is total bull, but there you go)

[Fraevar]

sagequeen wrote...

part of the trouble with being a hot AND intelligent lady is the line between the woman owning her sexuality (emma peel) and the woman being defined by it as an object (lara croft, intentions aside). ashely fits the first, miranda sadly slides into the latter (which is really too bad, as she's an awesome character imo). while hale's voicing solidly holds femshep in the "i am my own person" territory, i agree, it would be hard to make her "prettier" without pushing her from subject to object (which is total bull, but there you go)

You said it, sagequeen.
It does annoy me that Miranda wears the spandex all the time - because it distracts from her actual character. I remember seeing the promos and really not liking her, based on the suit design but then I talked to her and she actually has a very good story arc and she is one of the few characters to actually recieve development as ME2 plays out. If I ever get around to playing an mShep game through to the end, I think it's going to be Miranda as an LI. I like her, and I just wish they'd exploited her less.

femShep is what I consider contextually beautiful - asides from the walk, she looks the part - I was really happy that they remembered to give her a proper upper body in the Kasumi dress and the legs don't look supermodel thin, either. She looks athletic and strong, which is the contextual mix. Some might complain that it's not "girly" enough but as someone who knows plenty of physically active women, I prefer it. Much more attractive than someone who looks like she's starving herself, yanno?

[JamieCOTC]

Delerius_Jedi wrote...

Chignon wrote...

Fanart like this makes me even more baffled as to how and why Bioware could think it was a good idea to not let Shepard have the opportunity to reflect on her death and resurrection at all.

Because the "80% who play male Shepard" don't want that, according to all the marketing research they do based on what people who play Halo and Gears of War like.

And, for the millionth time, that does not gel with BioWare's traditional strengths. I think it was Yahtzee over at The Escapist who said that these days, BioWare doesn't get credit for good writing. That is true, but by the same token they get a lot more demerits when they do what those other studios do, like glossing over a major character element in the name of rebooting their gamedesign. We expect them to be better narrators than Epic or Bungie. And with ME2, they completely failed with regards to the protagonist.

/rant.

I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again.  When BW killed Shep in the second game, they took a plot device and turned it into a plot point.  The problem is they just dropped it and it just hung there like something out of KOTOR 2.  Had they killed Shepard in the first game, we would not have had the connection w/ her and it would have been easier to gloss over.  But no, this was a character that we took on a very personal journey in ME1 and then she dies, gets resurrected and starts shooting stuff.  Welcome to Halo Effect.

[skcm]

With regards to the discussion, I am a firm believer in "take what you need and leave the rest."
That being said, this thread is a great read--you all have such wonderful opinions and rants about Femshep!  De-lurking for a gratuitous self-plug, am blogging a completely random Femshep playthrough, accessible here:

http://games.durhey.net/femshep/

Hopefully some of you will get as much a kick out of the coinflips, dice rolls, and epic flycam abuse as I do when I play Femshep Shepard.

The blog is meant in good fun, and I'll try to update and keep the playthrough going on the weekends.  Warning for moderate profanity and bad Google image search results, as well as (currently) spoilers for Mass Effect 1, and later Mass Effect 2.  Thanks. 

[JamieCOTC]

Delerius_Jedi wrote...

sagequeen wrote...

part of the trouble with being a hot AND intelligent lady is the line between the woman owning her sexuality (emma peel) and the woman being defined by it as an object (lara croft, intentions aside). ashely fits the first, miranda sadly slides into the latter (which is really too bad, as she's an awesome character imo). while hale's voicing solidly holds femshep in the "i am my own person" territory, i agree, it would be hard to make her "prettier" without pushing her from subject to object (which is total bull, but there you go)

You said it, sagequeen.
It does annoy me that Miranda wears the spandex all the time - because it distracts from her actual character. I remember seeing the promos and really not liking her, based on the suit design but then I talked to her and she actually has a very good story arc and she is one of the few characters to actually recieve development as ME2 plays out. If I ever get around to playing an mShep game through to the end, I think it's going to be Miranda as an LI. I like her, and I just wish they'd exploited her less.

femShep is what I consider contextually beautiful - asides from the walk, she looks the part - I was really happy that they remembered to give her a proper upper body in the Kasumi dress and the legs don't look supermodel thin, either. She looks athletic and strong, which is the contextual mix. Some might complain that it's not "girly" enough but as someone who knows plenty of physically active women, I prefer it. Much more attractive than someone who looks like she's starving herself, yanno?

I think if femShep didn't walk like a dude that would go a loooong way into making her more fem.  Add to that some unique sitting poses ala LotSB and I think we’re done.  The only other thing I would change would be to allow her to flirt instead of forcing it on her.  Intentionally or not BW did do a good job on her.  Sometimes, her facial animation is better than Sheploo.  I just hope that BW takes heed to its own hype when it comes to ME3.
 

[Iwakura-Lain]

Chignon wrote...

Delerius_Jedi wrote...

So I was perusing DeviantArt and I found a piece that I thought I'd post given our discussion earlier in the week about how BioWare doesn't really make Shepard's death matter beyond gameplay redesign. Slightly NSFW because of an exposed breast.

http://fav.me/d2yjqmi

"Breathe Again" by Armesan

So happy to see death actually being...ugly, I suppose...

Fanart like this makes me even more baffled as to how and why Bioware could think it was a good idea to not let Shepard have the opportunity to reflect on her death and resurrection at all.

Yes, that fanart is a mite unsettling; but way I figure this too, it's just an expression of dealing with what should have been a painful and traumatic episode in her 'life' to begin with: her death. So, I like that piece of art for that reason alone.

[Fraevar]

Iwakura-Lain wrote...

Yes, that fanart is a mite unsettling; but way I figure this too, it's just an expression of dealing with what should have been a painful and traumatic episode in her 'life' to begin with: her death. So, I like that piece of art for that reason alone.

Exactly. Death of the protagonist is *supposed* to be unsettling. Death in general is supposed to be unsettling.

[Iwakura-Lain]

A bit of fun with my newly acquired modding skills:





And simply a nice high-res shot:

Modifié par Iwakura-Lain, 10 octobre 2010 - 11:08 .

[ADLegend21]

^nice!!!



Also if anyone here follows red vs blue, I wonder who'd win in a 1 on 1 fight between Femshep and Tex...

[Sable Phoenix]

Flies_by_Handles wrote...

 Yeah, I'm double posting.....

 Since we're on the topic of femShep's appearance and mannerism, does anyone feel that there is a lot of pressure to make your Shepard conventionally pretty, and not just to others, but for yourself? I've noticed that a lot of maleShep faces are harsh, scarred, and mean looking while femShep faces steer more towards a clean, petite look (face structure 7, here's looking at you...). My point is, female faces posted on the ME2 database site are often judged by their beauty and little else. I find that bothersome.

Actually, that's just normal.  Feminine faces are always judged by beauty, male faces are judged by being well-proportioned but rugged.  It's a human thing.  Even babies will look longer at faces that have symmetrical features that are all in proportion to one another.

Frankly, you don't have many options to make a femShep that is not pretty without stretching the proportions so much that she just looks deformed.  The reason that Facial Structure #7 is so commonly used is because all the rest except for Facial Structure #1 (the second most-used structure) tend to deform certain facial features in limiting or unpleasant ways.

Modifié par Sable Phoenix, 11 octobre 2010 - 01:09 .

[sagefic]

Sable Phoenix wrote...

Flies_by_Handles wrote...

 Yeah, I'm double posting.....

 Since we're on the topic of femShep's appearance and mannerism, does anyone feel that there is a lot of pressure to make your Shepard conventionally pretty, and not just to others, but for yourself? I've noticed that a lot of maleShep faces are harsh, scarred, and mean looking while femShep faces steer more towards a clean, petite look (face structure 7, here's looking at you...). My point is, female faces posted on the ME2 database site are often judged by their beauty and little else. I find that bothersome.

Actually, that's just normal.  Feminine faces are always judged by beauty, male faces are judged by being well-proportioned but rugged.  It's a human thing.  Even babies will look longer at faces that have symmetrical features that are all in proportion to one another.

Frankly, you don't have many options to make a femShep that is not pretty without stretching the proportions so much that she just looks deformed.  The reason that Facial Structure #7 is so commonly used is because all the rest except for Facial Structure #1 (the second most-used structure) tend to deform certain facial features in limiting or unpleasant ways.

ooh, hello pyramid - but yes, i agree with you both: too much on the pretty and yet there's not much to be done about it. my shep is one of the rarer #1 face type sheps. this is because i tried to make her look like me and that is what my face is shaped like (my current avatar is #7 tho - that's an older shep, but a good pic).

another problem is of the 3 complexion types, most use #3 - the one with smooth skin and freckles. #1 is a little bumpier, #2 is so wrinkly as to look too old for shep, so hardly anyone uses it. and then with the scars (When we had them) they were very "cute" - so again, hard to make it work there.

i do also think that femshep is more expressive than male shep - not sure if that's the face structure or the animation, but it is so, i think. i like that

[Sable Phoenix]

Speaking of which...



A paparazzi at Afterlife's VIP lounge managed to snap a holo of Jessica that is undoubtedly the sexiest image that's ever been taken of her.  The tabloids the next morning speculated she was coming by to continue her rumored illicit affair with Aria T'Loak, since those same tabloids have made it widely known that the Savior of the Citadel cannot control her asari-centric xenophilia.
Ah yes.  Al-Jilani's been busy.  [smilie]../../../images/forum/emoticons/tongue.png[/smilie]

Modifié par Sable Phoenix, 11 octobre 2010 - 01:39 .

[Reverie]

Flies_by_Handles wrote...

 Yeah, I'm double posting.....

 Since we're on the topic of femShep's appearance and mannerism, does anyone feel that there is a lot of pressure to make your Shepard conventionally pretty, and not just to others, but for yourself? I've noticed that a lot of maleShep faces are harsh, scarred, and mean looking while femShep faces steer more towards a clean, petite look (face structure 7, here's looking at you...). My point is, female faces posted on the ME2 database site are often judged by their beauty and little else. I find that bothersome.

I've noticed that too. Maybe it's just me, but I do prefer the more unconvential "beauties" when it comes to how femShep looks. O've also noticed how nasty some people can be on that site.

[sagefic]

@ sable: love it. al jihlani just wants femshep and is super irritated that she can't get any

[Fraevar]

@Sable: Wow, that is just awesome. Love it! And I agree with sagequeen: Al-Jilani WISHES, mehehehe.

[skcm]

I wish there were a more ragged-looking complexion option, but it seems like Femshep players only get slight cheek wrinkles and a fairly aged appearance, freckles, or a smooth and neutral face. Wish I could make some faces for her the way I do in Dragon Age's Toolset...more importantly, wish I were well-versed in retexturing. Might be a project someday. Pock-marked Femshep, please!!!

[sagefic]

or ultra freckles! i would so love to up the amount of freckles - seriously, if freckles were like tattoos in da:o where you could have them faint or bump them up until they were everywhere! i love fairskinned femshep, but i wanted moar freckles.