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[adneate]

Mr.Vakarian wrote...

Here is an interesting thought: With Shepard's "rise from the ashes" via the Lazarus Projects and her "full reconstruction with synthetic-fusion" along with the "few upgrades" she mentions, What do you all believe will be her lifespan length as a result? Will she still be "fighting the good fight" and "Still savin' the Galaxy" 200 years from now while looking to be only in her early 60's?..or will she be in her enjoying her final twilight years and retirement at 150?

Well this is one of the big questions about the Lazarus project, it ties into how Shepard's humanity has been altered (or stolen) by Cerberus's plan to bring her back from the dead.

Current prototype cybernetics would not last as long as say a cloned organ since they are still primarily mechanical with moving parts, and anything that moves wears out. Shepard however is hundereds of years in the future being rebuilt by a rogue organization with nearly unlimited resources and expertise who have no concerns with galactic law. They can fuse aggressive use of synthetic parts and illegal genetic modification (They don't play by the council's rules) and it does seem to be implied that Shepard is now a Super Soldier with many of her abilities far beyond the capability of normal humans. Her reaction time, rate of healing, biotic abilities and physical fortitude and strength are not human anymore. So would that also mean her lifespan isn't either? It seems logical that if you are so much more robust and your entire body has been designed to be shot with high powered militay grade weapons and keep going that if she's then removed from the stress of combat she would live much, much longer than an ordinary Human being.

However long Shepard ends up living I have doubts that she would age as human beings do, if you look at 100% Renegade scarring it becomes apparent that most of Shepard's face is cybernetic. Even her eyes are synthetic, which suggest an extreme amount of damage was done to her face, Sable Phoenix has a screenshot where it looks like Shepard smashed her face into a beam while getting caught in the exposion on the SR1 and you can see parts sheer off her helmet. In addition decompression alone would have done really awful things to the soft tissue of a face, she'd likely be so badly mangled and burned that visual identification would have been impossible. So I doubt a cybernetic face could get wrinkes since that seems like a rather pointless feature to build in, so Shepard very well could be stuck forever looking 30 years old while actually being 200 or 300 years old.

[Chignon]

LesEnfantsTerribles wrote...

My Shepard always assures Kaidan that she is not interested in romance as soon as possible. I don't like leading him on in that manner...it's mean. Though, I also dislike the fact that there is no real way to let him down without being a jerk.

You're right, LesEnfantsTerribles. You can let down Liara a lot gentler, but I think Kaidan takes it pretty well and in a very mature way. Unlike Jacob.

(Not that any of my Sheps ever rejected Kaidan. Yes, I'm quite predictable regarding that particular decision.)

EDIT:

sagequeen wrote...



"We okay? You okay?"

D'aww.

Modifié par Chignon, 13 octobre 2010 - 10:47 .

[ozsras]

Chignon wrote...

ozsras wrote...

Maybe Wrex keeps falling on it and braking it? lol I have no idea. It's techy stuff. or something.

*snip*

I think the hidey hole Liara is in is nice for some more personal convos - with Kaiden and Ash it's a bit difficult because I can just see Garrus peeking over the mako to listen in on their conversations.

Just imagine the conversation between Kaidan and Wrex:
Wrex: "Alenko."
Kaidan: "Wrex."
Wrex: "..."
Kaidan: "Are you trying to tell me you fell on the console again? "

(By the way, Kaidan is nowhere near Garrus on the SR1 - he'd have to sneak up one deck to listen in on him and Shepard. Chakwas on the other hand ... )

Wrex: I've got DEM HIPS Alenko, don't hate.

Well I meant to say Garrus listening in on Ash and Shepard but yeah... Chakwas totally listened in on Shepards conversations with Alenko and Liara.

[sagefic]

Chignon wrote...

LesEnfantsTerribles wrote...

My Shepard always assures Kaidan that she is not interested in romance as soon as possible. I don't like leading him on in that manner...it's mean. Though, I also dislike the fact that there is no real way to let him down without being a jerk.

You're right, LesEnfantsTerribles. You can let down Liara a lot gentler, but I think Kaidan takes it pretty well and in a very mature way. Unlike Jacob.

(Not that any of my Sheps ever rejected Kaidan.)

*wince* the thing that is so bizarre is i did let liara down gently - in exactly the same way i always did. as jamie said, i don't think i'll ever be able to re-create that chain of events.

both of them handle it VERY maturely. the whole, "I'll be hurt, but I'll get over it." <--very realistic for what people who are adults actually would DO in such a situation. this is why i think the "I wanna see my LI from ME2 fight kaidan/ashley/liara" is a bad idea - it's completely out of character for all the ME1 LIs. 

you know, i think that's part of what i love so much about the ME saga. it is (mostly) a game for grown ups. and by that i don't mean of a certain age, but it's made about people who have duties, responsibilities, and yet still have thoughts and feelings and how they deal with them. 

[FireEye]

I still wonder if biotics' metabolism wear down their bodies faster. I can imagine cyber-Biotic-Shepard, 200 years in the future of Mass Effect, kept alive by machinery but looking very, very ragged due to the biotic influence...

[ozsras]

sagequeen wrote...

Chignon wrote...

LesEnfantsTerribles wrote...

My Shepard always assures Kaidan that she is not interested in romance as soon as possible. I don't like leading him on in that manner...it's mean. Though, I also dislike the fact that there is no real way to let him down without being a jerk.

You're right, LesEnfantsTerribles. You can let down Liara a lot gentler, but I think Kaidan takes it pretty well and in a very mature way. Unlike Jacob.

(Not that any of my Sheps ever rejected Kaidan.)

*wince* the thing that is so bizarre is i did let liara down gently - in exactly the same way i always did. as jamie said, i don't think i'll ever be able to re-create that chain of events.

both of them handle it VERY maturely. the whole, "I'll be hurt, but I'll get over it." <--very realistic for what people who are adults actually would DO in such a situation. this is why i think the "I wanna see my LI from ME2 fight kaidan/ashley/liara" is a bad idea - it's completely out of character for all the ME1 LIs. 

you know, i think that's part of what i love so much about the ME saga. it is (mostly) a game for grown ups. and by that i don't mean of a certain age, but it's made about people who have duties, responsibilities, and yet still have thoughts and feelings and how they deal with them. 

I agree. It feels very grown up and *shrugs* idk, very mature.

Which is why I still don't know what to think about the comments Liara makes if you weren't faithful, during the Broker DLC. On one hand she has every right to be snarky and such towards Shep, esp. if Shep is pushing the romance angle. But - idk, it almost feels out of character for Liara. Just a bit.

I mean I like that she takes a stand and isn't a doormat but... eh I don't know.

I just made different Shepards to romance other characters... whaddya mean that's weird?!

Modifié par ozsras, 13 octobre 2010 - 10:59 .

[Captain Crash]

adneate wrote...

Mr.Vakarian wrote...

Here is an interesting thought: With Shepard's "rise from the ashes" via the Lazarus Projects and her "full reconstruction with synthetic-fusion" along with the "few upgrades" she mentions, What do you all believe will be her lifespan length as a result? Will she still be "fighting the good fight" and "Still savin' the Galaxy" 200 years from now while looking to be only in her early 60's?..or will she be in her enjoying her final twilight years and retirement at 150?

Well this is one of the big questions about the Lazarus project, it ties into how Shepard's humanity has been altered (or stolen) by Cerberus's plan to bring her back from the dead.

Current prototype cybernetics would not last as long as say a cloned organ since they are still primarily mechanical with moving parts, and anything that moves wears out. Shepard however is hundereds of years in the future being rebuilt by a rogue organization with nearly unlimited resources and expertise who have no concerns with galactic law. They can fuse aggressive use of synthetic parts and illegal genetic modification (They don't play by the council's rules) and it does seem to be implied that Shepard is now a Super Soldier with many of her abilities far beyond the capability of normal humans. Her reaction time, rate of healing, biotic abilities and physical fortitude and strength are not human anymore. So would that also mean her lifespan isn't either? It seems logical that if you are so much more robust and your entire body has been designed to be shot with high powered militay grade weapons and keep going that if she's then removed from the stress of combat she would live much, much longer than an ordinary Human being.

However long Shepard ends up living I have doubts that she would age as human beings do, if you look at 100% Renegade scarring it becomes apparent that most of Shepard's face is cybernetic. Even her eyes are synthetic, which suggest an extreme amount of damage was done to her face, Sable Phoenix has a screenshot where it looks like Shepard smashed her face into a beam while getting caught in the exposion on the SR1 and you can see parts sheer off her helmet. In addition decompression alone would have done really awful things to the soft tissue of a face, she'd likely be so badly mangled and burned that visual identification would have been impossible. So I doubt a cybernetic face could get wrinkes since that seems like a rather pointless feature to build in, so Shepard very well could be stuck forever looking 30 years old while actually being 200 or 300 years old.

Raising of Lazarus

"I am the Resurrection and the Life. He who believes in Me shall live, even if he dies. And everyone who lives and believes in Me shall never die in eternity"  John 11:25

Makes you think Bioware is going places with that project title.   Cybernetics this time appeared to do the job though rather then a miracle of the Son of God.   Although this really isn't a debate for this thread or any under Biowares forum rules. But why call it Lazarus if you don't want to debate an obvious reference. 


But to get back on the topic of femshep, its obvious she had been improved by the project, be to how long and what degree is anyones assumption.  You can say if your a renegade player that in fact your degrading over time as your scars worsen and your left looking less and less human.

Modifié par Captain Crash, 13 octobre 2010 - 11:00 .

[Mr.Vakarian]

Valagil wrote...

Huh, it's funny you bring this up because I've actually been thinking about this quite a bit for the past few days. Granted she doesn't have to sacrifice herself in the 3rd game, I think due to her enhancements, her lifespan could be longer. I think back to her conversation with Miranda. Apparently Miranda's lifespan is something like 200+ years because of all the genetic modifications she's had. I don't know how much work was done on Shepard, but I imagine it was quite extensive. So to me it only makes sense that her life would be extended as a result.

Boy, I must be psyhcic then!   That is how I see it as well. Her highly engineered, synthetic infused tissue and organs would have much better longevity than normal human tissue, causing her to age at an extremely prohibited rate...resulting in a very, very long lifespan of perhaps several hundred years.

...That is, as you said, if she is not forced to sacrifice her own life to save the galaxy and stop the Reapers...ya know "Sometimes the needs of the many out weigh the needs of the few, or the one" .....as a great Vulcan once said.

...I'm sure all hope that does not come to pass, but I could see that as a potential outcome.

[Jagged Orchid]

Mr.Vakarian wrote...

...That is, as you said, if she is not forced to sacrifice her own life to save the galaxy and stop the Reapers...ya know "Sometimes the needs of the many out weigh the needs of the few, or the one" .....as a great Vulcan once said.

...I'm sure all hope that does not come to pass, but I could see that as a potential outcome.

I honestly hope it doesn't come to that. I've said it before and I'll say it again, I'm really hoping for the good ending. Ya know where they say, "...And Shep and Liara lived happily ever after." (well in my game anyway)

I suppose we'll just have to wait and see...

Modifié par Valagil, 13 octobre 2010 - 11:14 .

[JamieCOTC]

Mr.Vakarian wrote...

Here is an interesting thought: With
Shepard's "rise from the ashes" via the Lazarus Projects and her "full
reconstruction with synthetic-fusion" along with the "few upgrades" she
mentions, What do you all believe will be her lifespan length as a
result? Will she still be "fighting the good fight" and "Still savin'
the Galaxy" 200 years from now while looking to be only in her early
60's?..or will she be in her enjoying her final twilight years and
retirement at 150?

I have pondered this question a great deal and I agree w/ what a lot has already been stated.  Assuming Shep makes it out alive in ME3, she could live to a ripe old age of 200+.  My biggest concern, however is that Cerberus tends to f*ck up nearly everything it touches.  With the exception of Shepard and the SR2, I can’t think of any Cerberus experiments that haven’t gone completely batsh*t haywire (Rachni, Overlord) or are just so morally reprehensible, (Jack, Toombs), that there is no way to come back from it.  In fact, my biggest fear for ME3 isn’t Shep sacrificing herself at the end; but that she’ll find out she is dying due to a problem or break down of the bio-synthetic fusion.  Oddly enough, I had an idea for a fanfic in which Shepard died at the age of 50+ due to a “bio-synthetic” taint that slowly poisoned her over the course of 20+ years.

shotgun-shepard wrote...

As an extension to my earlier piece, in support of Shepard and Miss Hale in general I present...the squad selection screen:



@adneate: Wow that shot is brilliant! Your Shep looks the business

Love that Liara pic, she looks scary and with good reason lol. My FemShep wouldn't need to look towards other butts, as her Kaidan's is a handful enough, but hey can't blame a woman for window shopping!

That's awesome!  :D:D

Modifié par JamieCOTC, 13 octobre 2010 - 11:24 .

[ADLegend21]

sagequeen wrote...


both of them handle it VERY maturely. the whole, "I'll be hurt, but I'll get over it." <--very realistic for what people who are adults actually would DO in such a situation. this is why i think the "I wanna see my LI from ME2 fight kaidan/ashley/liara" is a bad idea - it's completely out of character for all the ME1 LIs. 

Not if you "cheat" on them with their former crewmate (Tal/ Garrus) because they knew about the romance back then, so Icould see Ash/Alenko/Liara losing it over that.

[adneate]

Mr.Vakarian wrote...
...I'm sure all hope that does not come to pass, but I could see that as a potential outcome.

Potential but not only seems more likely, so like Dragon Age in a way.

Though I can think of ways to push the player into killing Shepard, an easy (though sorta cheap) way would be to kill Shep's LI robbing her of a happy future. Then present the option of a "Way Out" like going solo into Harbringer with a nuke and the intent of blowing this super Dreadnought to bits so the fleet can slaughter the decapitated Reaper fleet.

Well technically that's another Battlestar Galactica: Razor reference, where one person is left behind with a nuke to blow a Basestar to bits. It's interesting not in the suicide mechanic but in that as she drags the nuke around a Hybrid (hard to explain but it's like an Organic computer sorta like a human but is technically the ship) starts making predictions about the future. The last being that Kara Thrace is the herald of the apocalypse and will lead humanity to their end. The Reapers also like to spout off strange cyptic comments about the future and it would be an interesting experience dragging this bomb through a Reaper on the way to it's "Brain" while it questions your motives, what you intend to accomplish and the doom you're bringing on the galaxy by stopping them. Shepard pulls out a little photo of said deceased LI, Harbringer makes one final statement then you hit the trigger and the screen goes white.

Not exactly a happy ending but it could at least be interesting unlike say Fallout 3's crappy ending where you died for no particularily good reason without feeling like you accomplished anything special.

[sagefic]

I, too, want a happy ending.

And if "happy" = "Sappy," I do not care.



"I played Dragon Age:Origins. I was unimpressed with the endings presented to me." 

[adneate]

sagequeen wrote...
"I played Dragon Age:Origins. I was unimpressed with the endings presented to me." 

The problem with the Dragon Age endings are that A) No matter what you are dying and Awakening Retcons most of the endings for the worst. The only LI that gets a "Happy" ending most of the time is Leliana because regardless of what happens she and The Warden disappear together. Which is about as happy as Dragon Age gets when you think about it.

[Mr.Vakarian]

adneate wrote...

Well this is one of the big questions about the Lazarus project, it ties into how Shepard's humanity has been altered (or stolen) by Cerberus's plan to bring her back from the dead.

Current prototype cybernetics would not last as long as say a cloned organ since they are still primarily mechanical with moving parts, and anything that moves wears out. Shepard however is hundereds of years in the future being rebuilt by a rogue organization with nearly unlimited resources and expertise who have no concerns with galactic law. They can fuse aggressive use of synthetic parts and illegal genetic modification (They don't play by the council's rules) and it does seem to be implied that Shepard is now a Super Soldier with many of her abilities far beyond the capability of normal humans. Her reaction time, rate of healing, biotic abilities and physical fortitude and strength are not human anymore. So would that also mean her lifespan isn't either? It seems logical that if you are so much more robust and your entire body has been designed to be shot with high powered militay grade weapons and keep going that if she's then removed from the stress of combat she would live much, much longer than an ordinary Human being.

However long Shepard ends up living I have doubts that she would age as human beings do, if you look at 100% Renegade scarring it becomes apparent that most of Shepard's face is cybernetic. Even her eyes are synthetic, which suggest an extreme amount of damage was done to her face, Sable Phoenix has a screenshot where it looks like Shepard smashed her face into a beam while getting caught in the exposion on the SR1 and you can see parts sheer off her helmet. In addition decompression alone would have done really awful things to the soft tissue of a face, she'd likely be so badly mangled and burned that visual identification would have been impossible. So I doubt a cybernetic face could get wrinkes since that seems like a rather pointless feature to build in, so Shepard very well could be stuck forever looking 30 years old while actually being 200 or 300 years old.

This is true.  The decommpression and exposure to the vaccum of space would certainly have taken it's toll on her body and was most likely her cause of death, but with the re-entry of her corpse into the atmosphere...it was a miracle there was anything left to find and fight over at all. The damage to the surviving portions of her original N7 armor seen in ME:2 dictate that she may not have been as bad of shape as we may think. If I remember correctly, in Lazarus Logs, it is mentioned that "her organic flesh and muscle tissue is regenerating, but at a substantially slower and less positive rate than they had hoped, so they are turning to "Synthetic-Fusion" to speed up the process" which makes one think that she is still very much "flesh and blood" , but this new flesh has been interlaced with synthetics for strength and resiliance, but is still "flesh" non the less....so she could still age, just at a much slower rate than a normal human. We also know that cybernetics were installed (interfaces and to re-enforce her damaged spine) but the scale of it's further use to reconstruct her facial structure for example, is unknown.

What we do know is that what did happened was bad enough that she, of all people, didn't walk away from it...I'm just not so sure that she has become a female "Marcus Wright".    Could be wrong though...

[sagefic]

adneate wrote...

sagequeen wrote...
"I played Dragon Age:Origins. I was unimpressed with the endings presented to me." 

The problem with the Dragon Age endings are that A) No matter what you are dying and Awakening Retcons most of the endings for the worst. The only LI that gets a "Happy" ending most of the time is Leliana because regardless of what happens she and The Warden disappear together. Which is about as happy as Dragon Age gets when you think about it.

yeah. that was what it was. orzimmar (sp?) depressed me. wow, i will come back and die HERE someday? ugh. remind me why i'm doing this again? i dunno. ME captured me in a way DA:O did not. even if shep has to die, i will play ME3 because it MATTERS. but i really, really, REALLY want a happy ending.

[Jagged Orchid]

adneate wrote...

Potential but not only seems more likely, so like Dragon Age in a way.

Though
I can think of ways to push the player into killing Shepard, an easy
(though sorta cheap) way would be to kill Shep's LI robbing her of a
happy future. Then present the option of a "Way Out" like going solo
into Harbringer with a nuke and the intent of blowing this super
Dreadnought to bits so the fleet can slaughter the decapitated Reaper
fleet.
 

Honestly, I don't know how I would handle something like that happening. It's just too darn depressing. I mean I know this isn't exactly a happy game perse, but yeah. I think I brought it up before, but if for example Liara were killed, I don't think my Shep would live past taking care of the reaper threat. Her will to live would be nonexistant at that point. This is though, I don't think BioWare would be willing wo write that much emotion in to Shep.

sagequeen wrote...

I, too, want a happy ending.

And if "happy" = "Sappy," I do not care.

"I played Dragon Age:Origins. I was unimpressed with the endings presented to me." 

This... I really hope we don't get faced with the Dragon Age type endings. Especially since I tend to play pretty noble characters with a strong sense of duty.

I can already predict what my Shep would do in a situation like this. That does not make me particularly happy.

I should also point out that I am much more attached to Alex than I was to any of my Wardens. I feel like she and I have been through a lot. It's almost like I've failed her if in the end she just has to up and die.

Modifié par Valagil, 13 octobre 2010 - 11:38 .

[Chignon]

ADLegend21 wrote...

sagequeen wrote...


both of them handle it VERY maturely. the whole, "I'll be hurt, but I'll get over it." <--very realistic for what people who are adults actually would DO in such a situation. this is why i think the "I wanna see my LI from ME2 fight kaidan/ashley/liara" is a bad idea - it's completely out of character for all the ME1 LIs. 

Not if you "cheat" on them with their former crewmate (Tal/ Garrus) because they knew about the romance back then, so Icould see Ash/Alenko/Liara losing it over that.

No. I can see them treating Shepard harshly because of it or even ending the relationship for good but I don't see them fighting as some people undoubtly want them to be.  If the calls of "Catfight!" or "I want my ME2 LI to beat up my ME1 LI!" are anything to go by, at least.

And do Tali/Garrus really know about Shepard's relationship with Ashley, Kaidan or Liara? I don't think it is implied anywhere in ME1. Garrus only could know if you take him with you on Horizon or Illium, but neither Tali nor Garrus mention it in their romance.

[JamieCOTC]

Captain Crash wrote...


Raising of Lazarus

"I am the Resurrection and the Life. He who believes in Me shall live, even if he dies. And everyone who lives and believes in Me shall never die in eternity"  John 11:25

Makes you think Bioware is going places with that project title.   Cybernetics this time appeared to do the job though rather then a miracle of the Son of God.   Although this really isn't a debate for this thread or any under Biowares forum rules. But why call it Lazarus if you don't want to debate an obvious reference. 


But to get back on the topic of femshep, its obvious she had been improved by the project, be to how long and what degree is anyones assumption.  You can say if your a renegade player that in fact your degrading over time as your scars worsen and your left looking less and less human.

That's an interesting take on it and one I wouldn't mind them tackling.  Also will be interesting to see what BW does w/ the renegades for ME3.  Is Shep going to eventually look like Arnold the Terminator? I can’t buy that no one mentions the renegade scars in ME2, if Shep started looking like this, and no one said anything, it would be beyond ridiculous.

Valagil wrote...

Mr.Vakarian wrote...

...That
is, as you said, if she is not forced to sacrifice her own life to save
the galaxy and stop the Reapers...ya know "Sometimes the needs of the
many out weigh the needs of the few, or the one" .....as a great Vulcan
once said.

...I'm sure all hope that does not come to pass, but I could see that as a potential outcome.

I
honestly hope it doesn't come to that. I've said it before and I'll say
it again, I'm really hoping for the good ending. Ya know where they
say, "...And Shep and Liara lived happily ever after." (well in my game
anyway)

I suppose we'll just have to wait and see...

It’s been said many times, but I believe we will get a “good” ending, but hopefully we will have to work for it.  There should be sacrifices and even suffering to get the “good” ending, but I don’t want a half naked witch coming up to my girl at the 11th hour to save her ass.   

[Vralenalien]

My many FemSheps want happy endings with Liara. Even my one who I managed to keep out of romances in ME1 wants happy ending with Liara.

Happy endings for everybody!  :wizard:<3:wub:

I don't mind sad endings tho, but there has to be happy endings to balance them out.

[Jagged Orchid]

JamieCOTC wrote...

It’s been said many times, but I believe we will get a “good” ending, but hopefully we will have to work for it.  There should be sacrifices and even suffering to get the “good” ending, but I don’t want a half naked witch coming up to my girl at the 11th hour to save her ass.   

This is an idea I like. I fully agree that we should have to work for a happy ending. Nothing should be handed to us on a silver platter. I'm thinking it should be harder than say the suicide mission too. I loved it, but in the end so long as you pay attention and maintain your crews loyalty, you're not going to fail.

[jlb524]

Vralenalien wrote...

My many FemSheps want happy endings with Liara. Even my one who I managed to keep out of romances in ME1 wants happy ending with Liara.

Happy endings for everybody!  :wizard:<3:wub:

I don't mind sad endings tho, but there has to be happy endings to balance them out.

I agree...there should be a choice for our Shepards to have their happy ending if desired (or not, if that's your thing). 

If they involve the LIs, that would be great, of course.

[adneate]

Mr.Vakarian wrote...
What we do know is that what did happened was bad enough that she, of all people, didn't walk away from it...I'm just not so sure that she has become a female "Marcus Wright".    Could be wrong though...

She died so corpses don't walk. As for the aging we are talking about science that: A) Doesn't exist yet and Is being used in a universe that doesn't play by the same rules our universe does. If I studded the muscle and skin tissue of my face with cybernetic fibers that changed the shape of my face and made my skin and bones far tougher than what a human being has would I still lose muscle elasticity and get wrinkles. Or would the synthetic fibers essentially freeze my face in time?

Well said technology doesn't exist so I have no idea, I can only speculate and theorize.

[Giggles_Manically]

Pic spam time!

Jenna Shepard: Earth-born/Sole Survivor. :Paragade Adept.

Her whole mindset is to save the most lives in a situation, but she also will do very harsh things to get the job done. Hard ass to people who deserve it, someone to talk to for people who need to vent, and can also hurl people into orbit with her mind.

[Mr.Vakarian]

adneate wrote...

She died so corpses don't walk. As for the aging we are talking about science that: A) Doesn't exist yet and Is being used in a universe that doesn't play by the same rules our universe does. If I studded the muscle and skin tissue of my face with cybernetic fibers that changed the shape of my face and made my skin and bones far tougher than what a human being has would I still lose muscle elasticity and get wrinkles. Or would the synthetic fibers essentially freeze my face in time?

Well said technology doesn't exist so I have no idea, I can only speculate and theorize.

lol!   I think that is pretty much a given...corpses not walking and all, but Zombie Shepard aside ...I'm not raggin' on ya..my point was that since she did get her face mashed into a beam on the way out and did burn to a crisp in the atmosphere...she didn't get picked up and rescued and therefor didn't "walk away".

I know I probably went a little overboard on that whole rundown of tech that doesn't really exist....sorry, guess I had a major "Geek Attack"....but I think I'm ok now.

You do make a valid point though....if you or I where rebuilt as she was, would our synthetically infused flesh simple not age, causing us to become "stuck in time"? ...I say yes, I can see that.