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[scampermax]

rynluna wrote...

In every playthrough of ME2, I find myself seeing Kasumi as Shepard's best friend or sista.  I know guys have their bros and I feel like she can be all of my FemShep's sistas(except for Shai since she doesn't make friends).  Does anyone agree?  I love bringing her along on missions and listening to her banter and I can never get tired of visiting her in the Normandy's bar. 

So far none of my FemShep's have bonded with anyone in ME2. I think it has a lot to do with my first playthrough and how awful I felt for Jih after gettting shut down by Miranda and Jack (pretty rudely in Jack's case). Tali was a bit better, but she's more like a little sister. I didn't have the Kasumi DLC at the time, so JIh spent the last part of the game getting depressed talking to Samara.

After all of that I haven't really bothered to talk to anyone other than to get their loyalty missions -- exception being Mordin. I'll have to give Kasumi a try next time.

/also, thanks for your comment on Jih

[jwalker]

Stealthy Giraffe wrote...

jwalker wrote...

/snip

She's lovely, jwalker! She also looks a little sad...like she needs a hug or something

Thanks!
Yes, she's a bit sad. She misses Liara.

Chignon wrote...

I do think there is more to Miranda than her looks, but I do get tired of the constant ass or boob shots forced on me. What I don't get is why Bioware thought this to be necessary. Ashley was a great character and one fine looking woman and I noticed that without her wearing a ridiculous outfit and being forced to look at her "assets" all the time.

I think is fitting. Flashy dude-heroe saving the galaxy, uber-hawt chick looking good. A damn cliche.

But you're right, Miranda has great potential as a character. It's up to BW to make her justice. Maybe in ME3, or future DLC, taking down Cerberus or something like that. 

[Mox Ruuga]

It is too bad they cheesed Miranda up so badly... The ass shots and super tight costume is one thing, but that she would wear that sex kitten outfit into combat?

Argh. It was weird reading Patrick Weekes' opinions on the ME1 squaddies, where he specifically commented on Ash that the goal with her was to make a good looking female soldier that was plausibly tough, but not overly sexualized.

So why did they backtrack with Miranda? Nothing wrong with making her sexy, but why does she have to prance around on those heels and without armor, when taking fire and avoiding Varren maulings and Krogan charges? Did they let the art department run wild or something?

[Iwakura-Lain]

yorkj86 wrote...

Jack's not known for her social tact, but in what way is she rude about it?  Doesn't Jack just inform FemShep that she doesn't play for the girl's team, and she just wants to stay friends with FemShep?

Maybe the "No offense, Shepard, but you're just pissing around." comment had something to do with it. Must admit I felt a bit hurt by that, at the time, as my Kira was genuinely trying to reach out to her. Kinda makes one think: "Why bother?"

[Iwakura-Lain]

Mox Ruuga wrote...

It is too bad they cheesed Miranda up so badly... The ass shots and super tight costume is one thing, but that she would wear that sex kitten outfit into combat?

It's always funny how apparently a certain segment of the male population always seems to go primarily for boobs and asses. Personally, I'm far more attracted by a woman's face, streamlined figure, etc., than the obligatory 'assets'. In Miranda's case, it meant I initially thought she was if not fugly, then certainly odd-looking, with that sorta ogre-like jawline.

By now I've pretty much gotten used to her face, so I can stand to be around her. But I still say she looks ridiculous running around the battlefield in what is in essence a glorified bra. There's listening to your customers, and there's catering to horny 12-year-olds -- the former is good, the latter not so much.

[Chignon]

Mox Ruuga wrote...

*snip*

So why did they backtrack with Miranda? Nothing wrong with making her sexy, but why does she have to prance around on those heels and without armor, when taking fire and avoiding Varren maulings and Krogan charges? Did they let the art department run wild or something?

No idea and don't get me started on the heels - it's all so ridiculous, much like Samara's outfit.

Sometimes I think they only kept the debriefings - what is the point of them anyway if you don't have them with your whole team? - so that they could show us some more shots of Miranda's ass and Jacob's overly broad chest and tiny waist.

In my opinion, the only one best equipped for combat was FemShep (or MShep).

[scampermax]

Iwakura-Lain wrote...

yorkj86 wrote...

Jack's not known for her social tact, but in what way is she rude about it?  Doesn't Jack just inform FemShep that she doesn't play for the girl's team, and she just wants to stay friends with FemShep?

Maybe the "No offense, Shepard, but you're just pissing around." comment had something to do with it. Must admit I felt a bit hurt by that, at the time, as my Kira was genuinely trying to reach out to her. Kinda makes one think: "Why bother?"

Iwakura hit it right on the nose. My first playthrough I wasn't sure where Jack's' dialogue cut off so I got the "pissing around" comment from her. My perception of that line really had a lot to do with the fact that it was my first time playing either game. I played them one right after the other and got a little too emotionally attached to Jih.

I really wish there had been some female friend options. My FemSheps all miss their bff Ashley. At least they have LotSB to look forward to now.

[scampermax]

yorkj86 wrote...

When does she say the "pissing around" line?

Jack's conversation options don't have much in the way of friendship, but Jack's not the only character with that problem.  Scamper said that she was attempting to romance Jack, though, and since Jack lacks social tact, and since she's not receptive, it didn't seem so rude to me.

I think I miscommunicated something. I wasn't trying to actively romance anyone my first playthrough. I already knew that there were no f/f options so Jih stayed loyal to Liara. I was just trying to find a friend for her.

[skcm]

I cried during Miranda's loyalty mission. I absolutely blatantly love her as a character, and IIRC, Garrus has a pretty gratuitous ass-shot, too. I don't mind the eye-candy. Plus, you also get the heavy risk-takers in a veritable full-body condom waltzing around topless. I am not opposed to anyone playing up their sexuality, or as in the case of Jack or Samara, de-sexualizing nudity and partial nudity. Both are acceptable, both add depth to the characters for me, though I often read too much into character appearance as characterization.

p.s.: I think Miranda's inappropriate combat outfit has more to do with the lack of an armor system mechanic. If she could wear Heavy Colossus X, I'm sure she would enjoy the protection it offers.

Modifié par skcm, 14 octobre 2010 - 03:44 .

[Mox Ruuga]

Don't get me wrong, I think highly of Miranda as a character. I also think she's beautiful, in a somewhat 1940's film star manner. She'd probably fill an evening gown very nicely... (hint hint, devs!)

I just hate the fact that she objectified so much. Especially as all three (or four, counting FemShep) ladies of the ME1 squad dressed appropriately for combat and hostile environments. They kinda took a step in the right direction with Liara's LotSB outfit, which is similar to what Mordin wears... what one might call an armored lab coat I guess. It was even distinctly feminine, but still looking like it could take a few hits even if Liara's barrier and shields failed.

But no helmet for her... Sigh.

[Vralenalien]

I don't think my canon FemShep bonded with anyone on ME2. Most of the time she had Garrus and Tali with her, but I don't think she felt much more to them that what she did on ME1. They were just part of her team. ME1 she bonded with Ash and romanced Liara.

My other Sheps have had little bit more bonding on ME2. Pretty much all of the ME2 team have been best friends with some of my Sheps. Curiously my current one, Jennifer, who didn't romance anyone and bonded strongly with Ash and Liara kind of bonded as friend with Jacob from all the ppl on Normandy. Somehow I managed to avoid romance without even trying and ended up choosing quite good lines from Dialog and for once she didn't sound creepy. I'm kind of happy about that since I usually avoid talking much with Jacob. I'm sure that was some once in a lifetime kind of glitch or something.

[nremies1]

Valagil wrote...

I totally have to agree with you there. I don't know if it's because she refers to Shepard as Shep, or what. She just seems like someone Shepard can talk to. In ME2, my Alex is probably closest to Kasumi and Garrus. Those are the two she can always depend on. Plus Kasumi cracks me up. Everyone needs someone that can just make them laugh.

And a matching screenie for good measure. Although Alex looks a lot more ticked off.


(Alex has since been tweaked quite a bit)

I think your Shep must be my Sarah's sister or something...

[Iwakura-Lain]

scampermax wrote...

Iwakura hit it right on the nose. My first playthrough I wasn't sure where Jack's' dialogue cut off so I got the "pissing around" comment from her. My perception of that line really had a lot to do with the fact that it was my first time playing either game. I played them one right after the other and got a little too emotionally attached to Jih.

Well, I guess for me the problem with the 'pissing around' comment is not so much that it's rude per se (even though it was rude), but that the whole situatiion is unredeemable. After that, however hard you try, you won't get a decent word out of her any more.

I understand Jack. Honestly. If you're not interested in sleeping with her (which, as Femshep, you can't be, per definition), then, in her perspective, you're just 'pissing around.' I get that. But cutting off any and all conversations with her after that point? That seemed a bit too much. I told Miranda off once (in favor off Jack; never mind putting the cheerleader in her place every once in a while; *evil grin*). But at least you can walk into her office later, and sort things out. But with Jack it's game-over. And all for no greater reason than trying to do right by her. It wasn't a very satisfying ending for an all-the-way-thru paragon track with her, is all.

But maybe we should comtinue further discussion about Jack in her own 'Into the bad girl' thread. I know, it's kinda related to Femshep; but also kinda not.

[sagefic]

re: sistas - ash was my shep's sista. it hurt a LOT to lose her. i think my shep would have welcomed liara or tali as a sista, but tali is not sista material (dunno why i feel that, but i do - to young, maybe) and the whole relationship awkwardness just hung over her friendship with liara. lotsb sort of mends that, i think. in me2, it's miri who my shep comes to like and respect. she like kasumi, too, but there's something about miri's blend of ice-queen attitude which masks this vulnerable and insecure woman (though she'd toss you across the room before admitting any weakness) that really speaks to kyrie. it's all they have in common though. 

i also think jacob should NOT have been a biotic. his skills (pull + barrier) are generally useless vs. miri's slam and warp. plus, miri was engineered to be a biotic, jack, too. samara and thane trained for years and jacob just...is? seriously. he should have been a straight-up soldier with some mad skill for burning through armor (like mordin has). i would have liked him more just for that. as it is, he had SO much potential, but no payoff.

i think we really needed a serious "bad boy" - in addition to thane, the philosophizing tormented guy. kaidan was nice, a lieutenant, and a biotic. jacob is...exactly those things, but with worse dialog and no sense of humor. again, i just keep wondering who wrote him and WHY. its like they took those guys who salute to you on the SR1, gave one of them a few lines and a tight suit and called him a squaddie for all the character development that went into him.

Chignon wrote...
I do think there is more to Miranda than her looks, but I do get tired of the constant ass or boob shots forced on me. What I don't get is why Bioware thought this to be necessary. Ashley was a great character and one fine looking woman and I noticed that without her wearing a ridiculous outfit and being forced to look at her "assets" all the time.

GAH! i HATED that. 

when playing maleshep, i honestly did not notice it. it was like "this is a renegade dude. he would look" but with kyrie, i was like...why the pan? she's not checking out miri, I'M not checking out miri. did the camera man lose focus for a second there? very jarring - totally breaks the illusion of the characters.

personally, what i would LOVE is if you could somehow set your PCs romance preference BEFORE the game starts. like, have cutscenes and convo options and flirt options, etc, but you could tailor it to your character's orientation. but that would probably be too complicated for anyone to ever do.

[Jagged Orchid]

In ME1, Alex was good friends with Ash and Kaidan. Unfortunately, Kaidan didn't make it off Virmire. The meeting on Horizon was extremely hard on her. She had really hopped she'd be able to recruit Ash. It didn't help that a couple days later she ran in to Liara on Illium. Of all the possible outcomes, Liara threatening someone was the last things she thought she'd see.



In ME2, She became really good friends with Kasumi. She was observant and she actually approached Alex. She was the only one of the ship that seemed to care about Alex's reaction to seeing Liara again. She's friendly with pretty much everyone on this ship, but she is only really friends with Kasumi and Garrus.



I could see how Jacob could have been a good friend for Shepard. I could actually almost seeing Alex confiding in him. Unfortunately BW just failed with Jacob.

[Chignon]

My Shepard only bonded with her space hamster.  Kidding.

In ME1 it was Kaidan and Ashley, but we all know what happened. Noah had to leave Ash on Virmire, and got the infamous Horizon cameo of Kaidan.

In ME2, I'd like to imagine she bonded with Thane and Samara. I like Samara's character and imagine that Noah would go to her to talk, to find some quiet and peace. Samara could teach her new techniques to control her biotics better - I would have liked something like that in the game, Shepard and her squad mates bonding over shared interests or abilities (Tali for Engineers, Thane for Infiltrators etc.).
Same goes for Thane. I felt he had the best friendship path and loved his conversation.

Modifié par Chignon, 14 octobre 2010 - 04:23 .

[Iwakura-Lain]

yorkj86 wrote...

[Eh?  You can resolve the confrontation later with Jack, with a high alignment check.  Did you ****** Jack off?   If not, why are you unable to resolve the situation with her?

No, I didn't ****** Jack off. It's just that whenever you go talk to her, from that moment on, she just sends you away again. She still stays loyal; but more than a "'Hi, bye" she won't say any more.

Modifié par Iwakura-Lain, 14 octobre 2010 - 04:31 .