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[Matroska]

rynluna wrote...
If they wanted the game to identify with young teen boys then why is the game rated M? 
Actually, after playing the game it didn't really feel like I was playing a rated M game but that's reserved for another thread.  <_<

Well in the UK it's rated "15". By contrast, Dragon Age is "18" (equivalent to an R rating in the US). Now, aside from the very silly-looking blood splatters, I can't really see why DA gets a higher certification, but it's certain that its often fiddly, more traditional RPG gameplay, with tons of skills/spells/traits/equipment/etc, is more of a hardcore RPG experience and not aimed at the typical Xbox owner as much as ME. I vastly prefer ME but it's much more in line with the more juvenile mainstream games on the 360, purely because of how it's basically become a 3rd-person shooter with RPG elements rather than an RPG with shooting elements. Its amazing cinematic quality also makes it more appealing to a younger audience than the creaky and kind of old-fashioned way DA looks during dialogue and most cutscenes. So it almost seems like BW balanced the elements in ME to get it that younger minimum audience that they'd tempered the gameplay for; that practice is totally commonplace with movies.

Samus Aran. A female protagonist that is not sexualised, and virtually
always wear practical, protective armour.

I take your point but I do always grin whenever people mention Samus as an example of a non-sexualised female game character. The reward for completing the game quickly was to see her in various states of undress, and even to play as her in her underwear. That was probably the most overtly sexualised a female character got until Dead or Alive. Also, not that it fully explains it, but Ashley wore heavier armour; all the other female characters tend to be non-physical classes.

Modifié par Teclo, 21 juillet 2010 - 08:10 .

[mopotter]

LesEnfantsTerribles wrote...

I'm also quite pleased and encouraged by the fact that BioWare have resisted sexualising FemShep so far. Her breasts remain moderately sized, and she is always wearing her full armour in combat, unlike Miranda, Samara or Jack who are in varying states of undress!

Again, it's another aspect of FemShep's character that reminds me of Samus Aran. A female protagonist that is not sexualised, and virtually always wear practical, protective armour.

Agree.  I usually like the way BioWare treats the female main character.  I don't want to play a Dolly Parton character.  (I like Dolly Parton, just don't want Shep to have her figure or Barbie's).   That is what mods are for.

[jlb524]

Metal-Dragon-Kiryu wrote...

In ME1 it was different - full armor in battle, then the casual on the Normandy. Made Liara's labcoat kinda sexy. But if she was running around shooting things in it, I probably wouldn't have thought that.

Yeah, practical dress is sexy!

[JamieCOTC]

mopotter wrote...

Metal-Dragon-Kiryu wrote...

rynluna wrote...

I also remember this.  I was dying to see what FemShep would look like with better graphics so I perused the forums trying to get information.  It was tough avoiding spoilers and I even found a live stream online somewhere of someone playing the game early with a FemShep. 

It really sucks that the fans had to pick up the slack though.  I don't see how hard it is for a few screenshots and maybe a video or two released around the same time ME3 Sheploo stuff is put out.  We aren't asking for Sheploo to take a step aside, we just want some small tidbits and not a few days before the game's release!

In my OP, I stated that we would appreciate screenshots of dlc armor too.  Metal-Dragon-Kiryu was nice enough to get screens the day of the last DLC armor release but really.....

How hard is it for the devs to give us this stuff???

Yeah, we get a handful of screenshots about a week or so before release.

I too had to go on livestream to see FemShep in ME2. It was actually quite a special moment when I heard Jennifer Hale's voice.

I understand the whole marketing thing - I get it. But to not even show videos on the official site? Not cool.

I always thought they should have used a different custom Shepard for each of the class videos. Would have been a good way to show off the armor customisation too.

That would have been a great idea.  I don't understand any of their marketing ideas.  The fact that you could customize your Shepard, male, female, looks class, armor.  All of it should have been out there.

Chris Priestly, who is a big supporter of femShep, explained that it all had to do w/ the target audience, boys and men. BW knows that women play the game (as well as men who play as woman), but ultimately the core demographic is males who play male characters.  That is what sells the game and the marketing is all about making as much money as possible.  I can’t find the link or I would put it up here, but in a nutshell Chris indicated that the status quo was unlikely to change, but he would keep up the fight nevertheless.  I hate that I can’t find the link as Chris was being both brutally honest and sympathetic, calling it a crock that femShep will never grace the cover of a game or appear in the ads, but pointing out the harsh reality of why that was.

[OrbitalWings]

JamieCOTC wrote...

Chris Priestly, who is a big supporter of femShep, explained that it all had to do w/ the target audience, boys and men. BW knows that women play the game (as well as men who play as woman), but ultimately the core demographic is males who play male characters.  That is what sells the game and the marketing is all about making as much money as possible.  I can’t find the link or I would put it up here, but in a nutshell Chris indicated that the status quo was unlikely to change, but he would keep up the fight nevertheless.  I hate that I can’t find the link as Chris was being both brutally honest and sympathetic, calling it a crock that femShep will never grace the cover of a game or appear in the ads, but pointing out the harsh reality of why that was.

Yeah, I remember that. I posted about it on the ME LiveJournal Community.

It really sucks, but it is kinda understandable. However, some of the stuff didn't make sense. As I said earlier, it was claimed that if FemShep was on the cover, they'd be blamed for making her "too sexy", implying they can't show her without making her overtly sexualised.

As I said, some of it I understood, some of it had me scratching my head.

[jlb524]

JamieCOTC wrote...

Chris Priestly, who is a big supporter of femShep, explained that it all had to do w/ the target audience, boys and men. BW knows that women play the game (as well as men who play as woman), but ultimately the core demographic is males who play male characters.  That is what sells the game and the marketing is all about making as much money as possible.

Yeah, that's why even children's books and movies always feature boys for main characters.  It seems young girls are fine with reading a book with a male character, or watching a movie with one, but the reverse is not true.  It seems this continues on into adulthood.

[OrbitalWings]

jlb524 wrote...

Yeah, that's why even children's books and movies always feature boys for main characters.  It seems young girls are fine with reading a book with a male character, or watching a movie with one, but the reverse is not true.  It seems this continues on into adulthood.

Yeah, this is something about the media that baffles me in general. It kinda makes me wonder if girls prefering the stereotypical "girly" things is actually a product of the media around them. They're told they should like ponies and sparkles and stuff, while boys are told they should like explosions and robots and stuff.

Almost all my friends are female, and they all say they love the fact that you can play as FemShep - they love seeing a female character assuming the role so often portrayed by men.

[kommanderkat]

Nice fanart.The people who make them are really good.

[jlb524]

Metal-Dragon-Kiryu wrote...

Yeah, this is something about the media that baffles me in general. It kinda makes me wonder if girls prefering the stereotypical "girly" things is actually a product of the media around them. They're told they should like ponies and sparkles and stuff, while boys are told they should like explosions and robots and stuff.

That's what I think...I never liked ponies and sparkles myself, even though I was supposed to!

[jlb524]

rynluna wrote...

Evey game I do push to release female character images, screens, videos etc as BioWare does greatly
value our "female PC first" audience and I plan to keep doing this for DA2.

http://social.biowar...52255/2#3052649

At least someone at BW is pushing for this.

[OrbitalWings]

jlb524 wrote...

That's what I think...I never liked ponies and sparkles myself, even though I was supposed to!

Hehe, on my birthday last year - I had a few Transformers laying around.

Had my friends over - as I said, mostly all female - and they LOVED playing with them, and kept saying "why didn't we have this stuff when we were kids?"

You look at the boys' section in a toy shop, and it's multicoloued - they can be astronauts, cowboys, cops, etc.

Look at the girls' section - and it's pink. Just pink.

They're being told that that's what they should play with, and it really annoys me.

My best friend is a girl, a very attractive one with a killer figure - and what are her main interests? Star Trek, Transformers and action/sci-fi movies in general. The girls' section in a toy store would probably implode if she set foot in it.

Anyhoo - to keep on topic - it's a shame that the media is split into "boys' stuff" and "girls' stuff" - Mass Effect appeals to both, and I just wish they'd capitalise on that.

/rant

[jlb524]

Metal-Dragon-Kiryu wrote...

Anyhoo - to keep on topic - it's a shame that the media is split into "boys' stuff" and "girls' stuff" - Mass Effect appeals to both, and I just wish they'd capitalise on that.

/rant

Yeah, even so, ME still sells to females even though they strictly market the male version.  ME1 did more for marketing FemShep than ME2 did.  Maybe they didn't feel the need to hook female gamers in ME2 as they already did so with ME1?

[didiware]

Shouldn't we stop calling her Femshep and try out Jane, I believe it is the cannon one (although femshep isn't cannon at all, but we're all chaning that perspective aren't we?). What do you guys think? Is she Femshep or Jane Shepard?

[OrbitalWings]

jlb524 wrote...

Yeah, even so, ME still sells to females even though they strictly market the male version.  ME1 did more for marketing FemShep than ME2 did.  Maybe they didn't feel the need to hook female gamers in ME2 as they already did so with ME1?

Definitely seems that way.

They can say what they want - ME2 was marketed as a shooter, something which is even more male-centric than RPGs in the marketing department's eyes.

As I said earlier - when they were talking about customising Shepard, all they showed was Sheploo - not even custom MaleSheps.

With ME1, I remember a few videos being released showing the female Shepard beforehand - that's one of the reasons I was so excited about it before it was released. Before that, I was like "eh, this looks kinda cool" - as soon as I saw a demo of FemShep in the character creation screen, I was sold.

[OrbitalWings]

didiware wrote...

Shouldn't we stop calling her Femshep and try out Jane, I believe it is the cannon one (although femshep isn't cannon at all, but we're all chaning that perspective aren't we?). What do you guys think? Is she Femshep or Jane Shepard?

Well, besides Sheploo (as in the marketing face), we still call Male Shepards MaleShep, not John, so I say we stick with FemShep.

[OrbitalWings]

rynluna wrote...
I played with GI Joes and  Barbies when I was a little one.  :blush:

Hehe, surely that's what we should all aspire to? The perfect balance!

[jlb524]

rynluna wrote...


Shepard II by Graffitie

I played with GI Joes and  Barbies when I was a little one.  :blush:

This makes me dizzy for some reason, lol!