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[jwalker]

scampermax wrote...

jwalker wrote...

scampermax wrote...
Thanks! And thanks to everyone else who commented on the outfit.
project can be found here for anyone interested: http://social.biowar...m/project/3734/

thanks for sharing, scamper!
http://img163.images...ycasualwear.jpg
For now, the only way of avoiding certain logos, is not standing in front of them

http://img13.imagesh...leykellyhug.jpg
Kelly was worried. She needed a hug.

Great pics of your Shepard. Thanks for sharing them.

Could I post the first one in the project gallery? I'd love to show other femSheps besides mine.

Of course you can !! Thank you.

Tasha vas Nar Rayya wrote...

I finished the game on insanity recently, and the toughest battle, bizarrely enough, is when you recruit Grunt, in Okeer's lab with the Krogan, the heavy mech, that rocket launching woman, and terrible cover options!

the problem in that fight are relentless krogan comin' atya. so, get your squaddies into cover and charge the b*tch. once she's dead, no more krogan getting out of the tanks

sagequeen wrote...
 @ ele: i am very happy teagan stayed faithful to kaidan if for no other reason than the awesome art it has inspired that you posted over on the kast

err... i have a terrible memory, what pics ?


EDIT: damn, top of the page! pic worthy

here you go !

Modifié par jwalker, 02 novembre 2010 - 05:48 .

[jlb524]

Sable Phoenix wrote...

Gender is not just societally defined.  Study after study after study has confirmed what the entire history of human experience (or anyone who's ever had any interaction with a person of the opposite sex) could tell us; men and women have brains that are both chemically and structurally different from each other, just like their bodies.  They process and communicate information in different ways.

This is why, on occasion, femShep comes off as feeling a little wierd to me.  Shep is written as male (even if BioWare might contest that), and that means that femShep will sometimes do or say something that a woman would most likely do or say differently than it is presented in the game, because the communication styles are fundamentally different.  Hale's presentation compensates for this most of the time, but sometimes it really is the fault of the writing and there's nothing she can do with it.  The worst examples of this are actually the romances in ME2, where femShep suddenly veers way out of character and basically throws herself at the head of the potential LI (it's especially bad with Jacob, obviously).  When the writers write Shep as "female" first they seem to instantly degrade into stereotype.  Just... fail.

sexy pic snip
"Did I really just say that?"

Fortunately these instances are fairly rare and femShep mostly comes off as a tough, competent, businesslike soldier who can kick ass, take names, save the galaxy, and just happens to be a woman on top of it all.  Represent!

Yea, represent!

Can you think of other examples where FemShep veers out of 'character', where she sounds like she's trying too hard to be a feminine stereotype? (besides the obvious Jacob dialog).

I can't think of any, besides the forced flirting in Jacob's dialog and his romance in general.

[jlb524]

mashavasilec wrote...

for some reason i didn't find Garrus or Thane romances OOC for their respectful Sheppies

But, you did find the Jacob one OOC?

[jlb524]

I just don't see Commander Shepard flirting with some male she just met after waking up from being dead for 2 years. It pains me to hear it. That's not even the romance stuff, just the 'I'm more interested in just...talking for a bit' line, plus the fact that even picking a romance neutral line sometimes sounds incredibly flirtatious.



Too much flirting for my weak, lesbian heart to handle.

[Fiery Phoenix]

Sable is too right! I absolutely agree. I do not, however, think Garrus and Thane's romance subplots make Shepard OOC. After all, these romances are gender-specific. You can't romance these two with Sheploo!

As far as Jacob's romance goes, well, it kind of answers itself, really. This is Jacob's romance. 'Nuff said!

[kaimanaMM]

mashavasilec wrote...

for some reason i didn't find Garrus or Thane romances OOC for their respectful Sheppies

I agree with Mash.

I didn't find Thane's or Garrus' romance OOC.  Certainly everyone has a different perspective, but for my own, I can't say I thought Shepard was 'throwing herself' at Thane or Garrus.  

And let's not start in on the "I want you Thane" line because that's not what Shepard says to Thane.

Jacob, on the other hand, is different story.

[Sable Phoenix]

FieryPhoenix7 wrote...

Sable is too right! I absolutely agree. I do not, however, think Garrus and Thane's romance subplots make Shepard OOC. After all, these romances are gender-specific. You can't romance these two with Sheploo!

As far as Jacob's romance goes, well, it kind of answers itself, really. This is Jacob's romance. 'Nuff said!

I don't think the romance subplots themselves are OOC, just the way that Shep is presented in them, or rather, how she initiates them.  She comes off as... well, frankly, almost ****ty.  "How about we skip right to the tiebreaker?"  ... really?  This is your best friend on the whole ship and you're propositioning him like that?  And Thane's, well, she's so ridiculously insensitive it's painful.  "You just spilled your guts to me about your murdured wife, I want to bang you!"  Yes I'm exaggerating, but still, ugh.  I think they were trying for a sexy/passive female stereotype and it just does not jive with the take-charge personality that Shep is.  Cognitive dissonance.

Thankfully, once the awkwardness of the initiating dialogue is past, the romances progress in a much better fashion (except for Jacob's, of course, where they never manage to write Shep out of the stereotype hole).

Modifié par Sable Phoenix, 02 novembre 2010 - 06:12 .

[jlb524]

Oh, I did recently remake an old Shepard of mine...



Natalie Shepard

Infiltrator

Spacer/War Hero











I'm using ELE's face tex mod, and I think it looks great on her...thank you thank you ELE!!!!

[kaimanaMM]

Sable Phoenix wrote...

And Thane's, well, she's so ridiculously insensitive it's painful.  "You just spilled your guts to me about your murdured wife, I want to bang you!"  Ugh. 

*bangsheadondesk*

Seriously.  For crying out loud.

That is not what Shepard says.  Repeat after me.

That.  Is.  Not.  What.  Shepard.  Says.

Why not playthrough and take that option and find out what she says.

[sagefic]

jlb524 wrote...

I think all of Shep's casual wear should have the N7 logo instead of Cerby (or, as least some of them should).

Also, sage, when Kyrie puts that armor on, does her voice sound muffled, like she's wearing a helmet?

oddly, no. i have not noticed it, i think, so no. however, in order to make that armor work right, she has to wear an earring as a helmet. i first picked earring #1 - just first one on the list. and it looks like someone skinned a kitten and attached the spine to the back of her hear. most of the time you couldn't see it with the hair, but yuck. i went with #2, which is just silver hoops. maybe that is why?

and @ sable: yeah, agree. i actually find the moments most jarring are ones where femshep does thing where i think...yeah, maybe a woman would do that, but is also likely not.

i can't think of one in particular - perhaps it's just the sum total of ME2 shep showing no emotion ever that finally gets to me. maybe some women would do that, but most women i know would come to a point where they would have to let go - i dunno, tear apart the engine room. heck, TALK to someone.  i guess it's the lack of being able to talk with garrus/tali. even if shep was very guarded about what she said, it completely violates this "sister code" in my mind that tali and shep never discuss anything. in my fanfic, i have that shep wants to, but doesn't because of the monitoring devices, rather than she is just this stoic "i have no feelings" person.

little moments like telling liara about the dreams in ME1, mentioning the backstory to kaidan in ME1, or talking with liara post SB make the difference for me. strong people rely on their friends at some point, male or female, but for me, it's a humanizing element to have shep rely on friends. it seems way to "i am a macho man lone wolf" that shep can't, which is annoying as a maleshep, completley bizarre as femshep. mebbe that's sexist, but ithere you go

edit: see, this, by jho over on deviant art, is totally what i think femshep is REALLY going through: frustration.

Modifié par sagequeen, 02 novembre 2010 - 06:21 .

[Sable Phoenix]

kaimanaMM wrote...

Sable Phoenix wrote...

And Thane's, well, she's so ridiculously insensitive it's painful.  "You just spilled your guts to me about your murdured wife, I want to bang you!"  Ugh. 

*bangsheadondesk*

Seriously.  For crying out loud.

That is not what Shepard says.  Repeat after me.

That.  Is.  Not.  What.  Shepard.  Says.

Why not playthrough and take that option and find out what she says.

I know she doesn't, it's just the subtext.  It feels awkward.  Even more awkward than her outright propositioning of Garrus, actually.  Would you really try to tell someone you are attracted to that you want an intimate relationship with them right after they have just shared with you how their first spouse was brutally murdered and they've been carrying the guilt and pain of that for all the years since?  Really?

I was exaggerating for effect, but even without the exaggeration, it comes off as Shep just being... insensitive.

Modifié par Sable Phoenix, 02 novembre 2010 - 06:17 .

[Jane Shepard]

jlb524 wrote...

Oh, I did recently remake an old Shepard of mine...

Natalie Shepard
Infiltrator
Spacer/War Hero





I'm using ELE's face tex mod, and I think it looks great on her...thank you thank you ELE!!!!

Wow! Natalie is amasing!!! Very beautiful!!!

I think I'll upload new Mikaela's screens soon

[Sable Phoenix]

jlb524 wrote...




I'm using ELE's face tex mod, and I think it looks great on her...thank you thank you ELE!!!!

Holy crap!  ELE's facemod makes the hottest Shepards ever.

Modifié par Sable Phoenix, 02 novembre 2010 - 06:18 .

[jlb524]

sagequeen wrote...

oddly, no. i have not noticed it, i think, so no. however, in order to make that armor work right, she has to wear an earring as a helmet. i first picked earring #1 - just first one on the list. and it looks like someone skinned a kitten and attached the spine to the back of her hear. most of the time you couldn't see it with the hair, but yuck. i went with #2, which is just silver hoops. maybe that is why?

OK, you are probably right...I will try that next time.   I used to wear the old N7 armor, but I hated that Shepard always sounded conjested

[Fiery Phoenix]

kaimanaMM wrote...

Sable Phoenix wrote...

And Thane's, well, she's so ridiculously insensitive it's painful.  "You just spilled your guts to me about your murdured wife, I want to bang you!"  Ugh. 

*bangsheadondesk*

Seriously.  For crying out loud.

That is not what Shepard says.  Repeat after me.

That.  Is.  Not.  What.  Shepard.  Says.

Why not playthrough and take that option and find out what she says.

I'm sorry, Sable, but this would be my response as well.

I actually think Shepard acts just fine with Thane and Garrus.

[Sable Phoenix]

avalon30 wrote...

M3cHr3p71l wrote...
Great Post. I share your position.

The education says us what is "feminine" and what is "masculine" and this determine our thoughts and behaviour
but... is it really true?? or are the society who impose it?? I choose the last.

I hear ya. You'd be interested to read this, I think.

Eh.

This article is mixing up genetic determination with cultural stereotypes and attempting to say they both have the same root.  They're also making the erroneous assumption that "different" is the same as "bad".  Frankly I find the sociopolitical pressure to portray men and women as exactly the same in all aspects to be a disservice to both sexes.  If men and women were exactly the same, not only would the procreation of the species be really difficult, but there wouldn't be any "cultural stereotypes" in the first place.  There would be nothing there for society to impose upon.

Men and women are inherently different.  And you know what?  That's awesome.

Modifié par Sable Phoenix, 02 novembre 2010 - 06:27 .

[Skyline_Stanza]

sagequeen wrote...

jlb524 wrote...

I think all of Shep's casual wear should have the N7 logo instead of Cerby (or, as least some of them should).

Also, sage, when Kyrie puts that armor on, does her voice sound muffled, like she's wearing a helmet?

oddly, no. i have not noticed it, i think, so no. however, in order to make that armor work right, she has to wear an earring as a helmet. i first picked earring #1 - just first one on the list. and it looks like someone skinned a kitten and attached the spine to the back of her hear. most of the time you couldn't see it with the hair, but yuck. i went with #2, which is just silver hoops. maybe that is why?

and @ sable: yeah, agree. i actually find the moments most jarring are ones where femshep does thing where i think...yeah, maybe a woman would do that, but is also likely not.

i can't think of one in particular - perhaps it's just the sum total of ME2 shep showing no emotion ever that finally gets to me. maybe some women would do that, but most women i know would come to a point where they would have to let go - i dunno, tear apart the engine room. heck, TALK to someone.  i guess it's the lack of being able to talk with garrus/tali. even if shep was very guarded about what she said, it completely violates this "sister code" in my mind that tali and shep never discuss anything. in my fanfic, i have that shep wants to, but doesn't because of the monitoring devices, rather than she is just this stoic "i have no feelings" person.

little moments like telling liara about the dreams in ME1, mentioning the backstory to kaidan in ME1, or talking with liara post SB make the difference for me. strong people rely on their friends at some point, male or female, but for me, it's a humanizing element to have shep rely on friends. it seems way to "i am a macho man lone wolf" that shep can't, which is annoying as a maleshep, completley bizarre as femshep

edit: see, this, by jho over on deviant art, is totally what i think femshep is REALLY going through: frustration.

You've hit the nail right on the head. I'd think FemShep, with all the utter crap she goes through in ME2, would have a chance to just vent, to talk to someone, (if not Tali/Garrus, at least Kelly. It's kinda what she's there for) and utterly destroy a part of the ship in her rage (she were a biotic or techy. I'm not sure how shed go about her chatharsis if she were a soldier. Maybe the crew'd find a whole bunch of bullets holes in the cargo hold?)
 
On the subject of this breakdown, would Shep rage quietly, in her room punchng various things or flining things around with her biotics or would she not care where she did it, as long as she got it all out, so to speak.

And I really, REALLY, love what Jho's done with the biotic glow here. Very nice.

[BWBamboo]

sagequeen wrote...
In
ME1, Liara struck me as completely contrived fanservice. I'm sorry, but
there it is. About the first thing Liara expresses is 1) interest in
shepard and 2)  her sexuality/ability to mate with shepard. It
completely annoyed me.[...] Kaidan/Ashley, especially,
struck me as people who were just sort of there, fell for shep, and
happened to be a "wow, don't have time for romance but falling in love
anyway sort of thing."

First I wanna say this has been my only playthrough so far, so I haven't pursued any LI options beside Liara. I have however watched the Jacob romance on youtube as well as scenes from the Miranda romance. If those aren't fanservice, I don't know what is. The Jacob romance is just incredibly badly written (obviously), then you get to see his abs. Miranda and her half-open catsuit? Come on. So for ME2 (bear in mind I have no idea about the rest of the possible romance options), I'd say the relationship with Liara is tender, subtle, believable, and far from fanservice. You don't even get to see as much as you did in the ME pre-finale culmination of the LI plot.
Now, for ME1. I agree that the romance option is set up too quickly and too obviously. Then again, I almost involuntarily romanced Kaidan. It's a short game, and all of the romance options feel rushed. So while I understand why you would find it fanservice-y, personally I wouldn't single out the Liara romance. Also, if you look past the overly quick and obvious start of the relationship, the romance itself unfolds very nicely in my opinion. My favorite scene is actually the almost-kiss nearing the end of the game, though I guess that'll happen with the other LIs as well? The sex scene itself is also tastefully done (and although I'm kinda sad they decided to tone it down in ME2, the way it's done there probably fits the mood better).
Long story short, I get you find the beginning of the romance in ME1 fanservice-y; but I think you can say that for all of the LI options in both games. Shadowbroker DLC included, I find the Liara relationship to be incredibly well done, and lightyears away from what I've seen of other romance options.

Btw, I think they initially planned for Ashley to be bi. Personally, I think that would be extremely OOC for her, but maybe it would have helped with the Liara relationship feeling forced?

sagequeen wrote...
da:o was more that way, too, imo. just people who
happen to fall in love.

Yeah, the Dragon Age relationships were really well done and didn't start in the first frikkin' hour of the game. Of course, DA:O took me about twice as long as ME2 did, so that's no surprise.

jlb524 wrote... That's not even the romance stuff, just the 'I'm more interested in
just...talking for a bit' line, plus the fact that even picking a
romance neutral line sometimes sounds incredibly flirtatious.

Yeah, I cringe at that every time I hear it -.-

Modifié par BWBamboo, 02 novembre 2010 - 06:29 .

[M3cHr3p71l]

Sable Phoenix wrote...

M3cHr3p71l wrote...

Great Post. I share your position.

The education says us what is "feminine" and what is "masculine" and this determine our thoughts and behaviour
but... is it really true?? or are the society who impose it?? I choose the last.
In addition, everywhere it seems that they constantly remind us; and as you correctly say, FemShep is a exception in the games, where feminine is irrevocably associated with "Oh, she is hot" or otherwise she behaves like a "guy".
Women and men's behaviour is "default"???!!!. Pffffff!!!. Stupid stereotypes.  

I enjoy playing with FemShep, I know SHE is a HEROINE; not a stereotyped heroine. SHE is a true HEROINE;
MY HEROINE.

Gender is not just societally defined.  Study after study after study has confirmed what the entire history of human experience (or anyone who's ever had any interaction with a person of the opposite sex) could tell us; men and women have brains that are both chemically and structurally different from each other, just like their bodies.  They process and communicate information in different ways.

This is why, on occasion, femShep comes off as feeling a little wierd to me.  Shep is written as male (even if BioWare might contest that), and that means that femShep will sometimes do or say something that a woman would most likely do or say differently than it is presented in the game, because the communication styles are fundamentally different.  Hale's presentation compensates for this most of the time, but sometimes it really is the fault of the writing and there's nothing she can do with it.  The worst examples of this are actually the romances in ME2, where femShep suddenly veers way out of character and basically throws herself at the head of the potential LI (it's especially bad with Jacob, obviously).  When the writers write Shep as "female" first they seem to instantly degrade into stereotype.  Just... fail.


"Did I really just say that?"

Fortunately these instances are fairly rare and femShep mostly comes off as a tough, competent, businesslike soldier who can kick ass, take names, save the galaxy, and just happens to be a woman on top of it all.  Represent!

Nobody writes how women and men must behave. It is true that men and women are different physically and psychologically but these differences don't forbid some behaviour. The problem is that the society and traditions  continue influencing passively in the female/male roles and it determines our behavior.


Why do you know she acts as a man ?? can't  a woman  behave just like that??
I don't see any problem in this

Modifié par M3cHr3p71l, 02 novembre 2010 - 06:27 .