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rage-monk wrote...

There's another odd thing about the whole Jacob-FemShep relation that has just come to my attention:
At some point (I think it's after his loyalty mission) he says Miranda would deserve a better man than him. And he's fine with starting a relationship with FemShep... o.0 Wouldn't that mean he considers FemShep inferior to Miranda?
From a ManShep-romancing-Miri-POV it feels like Jacob's sginalling that he has no problem with that, but for FemShep it just boggles my mind.


It's because Shepard is written as male.  Exhibit A your honor!  The defense rests.

You're not the only one who has a problem with this particular bit of dialogue.

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rage-monk wrote...

@ Sable Phoenix:
Ah, thanks for pointing it out. I'm a little knackered ATM.
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There's another odd thing about the whole Jacob-FemShep relation that has just come to my attention:
At some point (I think it's after his loyalty mission) he says Miranda would deserve a better man than him. And he's fine with starting a relationship with FemShep... o.0 Wouldn't that mean he considers FemShep inferior to Miranda?
From a ManShep-romancing-Miri-POV it feels like Jacob's sginalling that he has no problem with that, but for FemShep it just boggles my mind.


I have done the Jacob romance.  And I interpreted that line as Jacob remarking that Miranda is too high maintenance a woman for him to deal with.  I don't think it's possible to have started a romance with him at that time, if so it seems to say more about him than Shepard.

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@Sable



I'm guessing you think FemShep should be written as a female (not a ridiculous stereotype), right?



I'm curious...How do you like the FemShep version of the Liara romance, given that it's also the same as the MaleSheps? Do you think it should be different?



Also, does FemShep/Liara differ in anyway from FemShep/Male LIs because of this, in your mind?




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jlb524 wrote...

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Something that I observed from all this talk of romances is that for Maleshep, the women (besides Ashley and Miranda) throw themselves at him through a mass accelerator, while for femshep she has to work for all the romances (Jacob, Garrus, Thane, Kaidan) (TBC later)


What about Liara for FemShep then?

you didn't let me continue.Posted Image lol Liara doesn't make femshep work for it, she initiates everything with Shep regardless of gender so femshep has to work to get some love, which is why she comes across as overly flirty to all the Male LI's because honestly while guys might say "I love a woman who can kick my ass" sometimes tht scares the crap out of them.

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for the 11 millionth time Jacob "miranda deserves a better man than I" is him saying "She's way high matinence and I'm not the guy for all that" not "she's awesome and I'm not enough but I'm enough for you" plus he says the same thing with Male shep so it's a canned line.

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I just realized how much I love to take Kasumi with me on missions. <3



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Chignon wrote...

I just realized how much I love to take Kasumi with me on missions.

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I love her, she's so amazing in combat, except her ability wipes out direction commands.

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Kasumi is pure win in pretty much every way. I cannot stress this enough.

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Chignon wrote...

I just realized how much I love to take Kasumi with me on missions.


Likewise, Chig! Kasumi's witty and playful sense of humour is hilarious, and I actually love her dialogue with Ms. Allison Gunn. There's a reason as to why she's my Shepard's best friend onboard the SR-2, which is that I feel that a genuine sense of friendship can develop between the two, especially if Shepard shows compassion and understanding toward her at the end of her loyalty mission.

Whilst the lack of dialogue wheel on the SR-2 can be detrimental to the perceived development of a friendship between the two, I do still feel that sufficient evidence exists to support this belief, particularly from an RP perspective.

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I've used Kasumi a lot with my Infiltrator, Natalie. We sneak around the battlefield together :P

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I squee every single time Kasumi calls my Shepard "Shep".



FemShep/Kasumi friendship ftw!

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ADLegend21 wrote...

for the 11 millionth time Jacob "miranda deserves a better man than I" is him saying "She's way high matinence and I'm not the guy for all that" not "she's awesome and I'm not enough but I'm enough for you" plus he says the same thing with Male shep so it's a canned line.


is that the context? i always get a bad taste when he says that. i'll play jacob's LM again to listen that dialog again....

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LesEnfantsTerribles wrote...

Chignon wrote...

I just realized how much I love to take Kasumi with me on missions.


Likewise, Chig! Kasumi's witty and playful sense of humour is hilarious, and I actually love her dialogue with Ms. Allison Gunn. There's a reason as to why she's my Shepard's best friend onboard the SR-2, which is that I feel that a genuine sense of friendship can develop between the two, especially if Shepard shows compassion and understanding toward her at the end of her loyalty mission.

Whilst the lack of dialogue wheel on the SR-2 can be detrimental to the perceived development of a friendship between the two, I do still feel that sufficient evidence exists to support this belief, particularly from an RP perspective.


And she's the only who acknowledges your relationship with Liara !!!
I hear you and she were an item before (or something like that)

Modifié par jwalker, 02 novembre 2010 - 09:02 .


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jwalker wrote...

And she's the only who acknowledges your relationship with Liara !!!
I hear you and she were an item before (or something like that)


Indeed! The fact that the Liara romance is currently embroiled in a "rocky second chapter" is also acknowledged by her, as she mentions that "it must have been hard to run into her again", or something to that extent.

I'm actually looking forward to having my Shepard reunite with her in ME3. If her loyalty mission has been completed, the development of a Kasumi/FemShep friendship could be quite interesting indeed.

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jwalker wrote...

And she's the only who acknowledges your relationship with Liara !!!
I hear you and she were an item before (or something like that)


And she, like Liara, doesn't with Kaidan.  Posted Image

(Thanks, Bioware, for twisting the knife!)

Modifié par Chignon, 02 novembre 2010 - 09:13 .


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jwalker wrote...

ADLegend21 wrote...

for the 11 millionth time Jacob "miranda deserves a better man than I" is him saying "She's way high matinence and I'm not the guy for all that" not "she's awesome and I'm not enough but I'm enough for you" plus he says the same thing with Male shep so it's a canned line.


is that the context? i always get a bad taste when he says that. i'll play jacob's LM again to listen that dialog again....

yeah Sheps asks about his time with Miranda and he gets down troddend about it

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ADLegend21 wrote...

jwalker wrote...

ADLegend21 wrote...

for the 11 millionth time Jacob "miranda deserves a better man than I" is him saying "She's way high matinence and I'm not the guy for all that" not "she's awesome and I'm not enough but I'm enough for you" plus he says the same thing with Male shep so it's a canned line.


is that the context? i always get a bad taste when he says that. i'll play jacob's LM again to listen that dialog again....

yeah Sheps asks about his time with Miranda and he gets down troddend about it


Jacob sounded regretful about the situation when he said she deserved a better man than him.  I don't think he'd "bash" Miranda to Shepard; he is pretty reticent when it comes to sharing his emotions, and I don't think he's interested in gossiping about his former lover.

I think that the line is meant for a male Shepard speaking to Jacob, but they were too lazy to think about what it would mean to female Shepards who might want to romance him.  Maybe that's cynical of me, but the writers don't come here to talk to us, and based on the other examples of shoddy writing, I don't have a lot of faith in them adding extra layers of depth, especially if it's to make something make more sense to a FemShep player...(yes, I'm cynical.)

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jlb524 wrote...

@Sable

I'm guessing you think FemShep should be written as a female (not a ridiculous stereotype), right?

I'm curious...How do you like the FemShep version of the Liara romance, given that it's also the same as the MaleSheps? Do you think it should be different?

Also, does FemShep/Liara differ in anyway from FemShep/Male LIs because of this, in your mind?


In certain situations I do, yes.  Generally the writing works fine for her, but there are certain situations that are just off, and I wouldn't mind having separate lines of dialogue for the male and female versions at those times.  Currently the only situations outside of romances where there is any difference in the conversation choices for femShep are when she is talking to Harkin, and the insult by the Batarian recruiter for the Archangel mission.

As far as the Liara romance goes, I think that's one of the few times where the writing actually works better for femShep.  The dialogue for Liara and Shepard is more feelings-oriented than the dialogue for any other character interaction in the other games, especially during LotSB, and that kind of talk feels a little more comfortable coming from a female Shepard than a male one.  Yes, feelings are one of the big subjects of discussion in any relationship, but men more often tend to act out their feelings while women tend to describe them.  I think that's one of the main reasons I prefer it to the other romances, as well; with the male LIs, the interaction is still very much a one-way street.  Liara and femShep have more give-and-take going on.

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TeenZombie wrote...

I think that the line is meant for a male Shepard speaking to Jacob, but they were too lazy to think about what it would mean to female Shepards who might want to romance him.  Maybe that's cynical of me, but the writers don't come here to talk to us, and based on the other examples of shoddy writing, I don't have a lot of faith in them adding extra layers of depth, especially if it's to make something make more sense to a FemShep player...(yes, I'm cynical.)


Exactly.

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Chignon wrote...

jwalker wrote...

And she's the only who acknowledges your relationship with Liara !!!
I hear you and she were an item before (or something like that)


And she, like Liara, doesn't with Kaidan.  Posted Image

(Thanks, Bioware, for twisting the knife!)


this. so this.

re: the gender issue, this is what i think about the writing - a broad spectrum is needed. some want their sheps emotional and talky. other want their sheps stoic. some want their sheps to be pursued by an LI, other want their sheps RAWR! *tackle*

ME1, i felt, gave a good spectrum. i really felt i could RP my sheps any which way i wanted him/her. i could have stoic, mean femshep or a talkative, sensitive maleshep, or whatever the heck i wanted. ME2, with it's decentralized narrative that focused on the comanions rather than shep, painted shep into this james bond corner with MUCh less dialog and options for characterization. as a result, i could do little with her except for make up in y head what she was. lotsb, with it's one "i'm frustrated" line, was a welcome change. it was what i wanted to say all along. but again, i could have used that anywhere else - a talk with garrus post horizon would have been most welcome. just - somehting. 

male/female is more a spectrum than two distinct camps, imo. bioware really rocked the spectrum of alignments with the renegade paragon. in the first game, i felt there was enough masculine/feminine spectrum going on to be able to be happy with my rping. me2, however, seemed to me to say "shep is a hetero MARINE! with no feelings. deal with it" and that made me kind of sad.

i hope against hope that was an oversight on the writer's part, purely an accident of how they wrote the missions, and will be remedied in me3.

but i am an eternal optimist. :wizard:

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TeenZombie wrote...

ADLegend21 wrote...

jwalker wrote...

ADLegend21 wrote...

for the 11 millionth time Jacob "miranda deserves a better man than I" is him saying "She's way high matinence and I'm not the guy for all that" not "she's awesome and I'm not enough but I'm enough for you" plus he says the same thing with Male shep so it's a canned line.


is that the context? i always get a bad taste when he says that. i'll play jacob's LM again to listen that dialog again....

yeah Sheps asks about his time with Miranda and he gets down troddend about it


Jacob sounded regretful about the situation when he said she deserved a better man than him.  I don't think he'd "bash" Miranda to Shepard; he is pretty reticent when it comes to sharing his emotions, and I don't think he's interested in gossiping about his former lover.

I think that the line is meant for a male Shepard speaking to Jacob, but they were too lazy to think about what it would mean to female Shepards who might want to romance him.  Maybe that's cynical of me, but the writers don't come here to talk to us, and based on the other examples of shoddy writing, I don't have a lot of faith in them adding extra layers of depth, especially if it's to make something make more sense to a FemShep player...(yes, I'm cynical.)

Yeah it is meant formale shep, but then hat make Jacob down play himself by admitting Shepard is a better man than him (which Isn't always the case.) and that sucks. Why'd the writers have to royally screw one of the nicest guys in all of Mass effect?Posted Image

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LesEnfantsTerribles wrote...

I squee every single time Kasumi calls my Shepard "Shep".

FemShep/Kasumi friendship ftw!


I know what you mean. Is she the only one who calls Shepard, "Shep?"

Kasumi's one of my favorites. Her loyalty outfit (what I call the alternative outfits) is pretty darn cool (I LOVE that shade of red) her dialouge is great,("Those mechs have optical camoflouge! Stay frosty!")  and from what I gather, she's a friggen beast in combat with her Shadow Strike. Sadly, I do not have her DLC, so I'm getting my Kasumi fix on her combat themes and walkthrough vids on Youtube.

Plus I love the way she leans up against "Alison Gunn" when talking to Hock at her heist, like they're already BFFs. I think someone posted a pic of her doing that? I'm too lazy to think of where and what page, sadly. Hahaha. 

 FemShep/Kasumi friendship FTW INDEED.

Modifié par Skyline_Stanza, 02 novembre 2010 - 09:42 .


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;)

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ADLegend21 wrote...
Why'd the writers have to royally screw one of the nicest guys in all of Mass effect?


I wouldn't go that far, he's a royal douchebag to Thane.

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adneate wrote...

ADLegend21 wrote...
Why'd the writers have to royally screw one of the nicest guys in all of Mass effect?


I wouldn't go that far, he's a royal douchebag to Thane.

Also his dialouge with Tali is fail.
Or she just dosent really like him.

Best "go to hell" glare in ME2.