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[Fraevar]

Ahhh Jacob. He can't catch a break, hehe.

My femShep's consistently friend-zone him since it's the only reason to keep the whole thing non-cougar.

Modifié par Delerius_Jedi, 03 novembre 2010 - 01:42 .

[Killjoy Cutter]

d20sapphire wrote...

Ashwraith wrote...

Right, so.... I don't know if anyone here has seen this (I can't be arsed to check through 439 pages, so I'm going with 'maybe', >.> ), but yonder blogger took absolutely everything I thought about FemShepard, and made it epic.

(Actually, scratch that. This is pretty much what I always thought about female video game protagonists in general.)

I know this was posted quite a while back, but I just wanted to respond and say thanks for reading my blog.  I'm glad I'm not the only woman gamer who feels like that about the main characters in games.  

I might explore it more over time... we'll see.  

I agree with your blog post as well. 

And this it touches on why I worry just a little when I read posts that call for FemShep to be "more feminine", because there's a good chance that Holywood EA will turn that into a call to "Other M" FemShep.

[Skyline_Stanza]

Delerius_Jedi wrote...

Ahhh Jacob. He can't catch a break, hehe.

Now I know I've been playing too much ME2 when I hear Miranda in my head, saying these exact lines.

[Killjoy Cutter]

Sable Phoenix wrote...

M3cHr3p71l wrote...

Great Post. I share your position.

The education says us what is "feminine" and what is "masculine" and this determine our thoughts and behaviour
but... is it really true?? or are the society who impose it?? I choose the last.
In addition, everywhere it seems that they constantly remind us; and as you correctly say, FemShep is a exception in the games, where feminine is irrevocably associated with "Oh, she is hot" or otherwise she behaves like a "guy".
Women and men's behaviour is "default"???!!!. Pffffff!!!. Stupid stereotypes.  

I enjoy playing with FemShep, I know SHE is a HEROINE; not a stereotyped heroine. SHE is a true HEROINE;
MY HEROINE.

Gender is not just societally defined.  Study after study after study has confirmed what the entire history of human experience (or anyone who's ever had any interaction with a person of the opposite sex) could tell us; men and women have brains that are both chemically and structurally different from each other, just like their bodies.  They process and communicate information in different ways.

I'd say it's some of both (nature and nuture) and more a matter of tendancies.

This is why, on occasion, femShep comes off as feeling a little wierd to me.  Shep is written as male (even if BioWare might contest that), and that means that femShep will sometimes do or say something that a woman would most likely do or say differently than it is presented in the game, because the communication styles are fundamentally different.  Hale's presentation compensates for this most of the time, but sometimes it really is the fault of the writing and there's nothing she can do with it.  The worst examples of this are actually the romances in ME2, where femShep suddenly veers way out of character and basically throws herself at the head of the potential LI (it's especially bad with Jacob, obviously).  When the writers write Shep as "female" first they seem to instantly degrade into stereotype.  Just... fail.


Fortunately these instances are fairly rare and femShep mostly comes off as a tough, competent, businesslike soldier who can kick ass, take names, save the galaxy, and just happens to be a woman on top of it all.  Represent!

It's those suddenly-not-Shep moments of writing "her as a woman" that scare me.

Modifié par Killjoy Cutter, 03 novembre 2010 - 02:30 .

[Killjoy Cutter]

FieryPhoenix7 wrote...

"I want you, Thane." != "I'm here for you, Thane. Whatever you need."

Not even remotely close.

I sat there and stared at that for a few minutes the first time a femShep character fell for Thane, and I eventually thought "that can't be what she's actually going to say here, let's go look this up online first". 

Sometimes the distance between the dialogue wheel and what is actually said is extreme.

[jlb524]

Tup3xi wrote...

I looks like facial structure 9 isn't very popular.

It isn't, but I think you did a great job with it.  I think I tried that structure once and I think my Shepard turned out good (I have no pics...this is an old Shepard from my XBox playing days).

[jlb524]

Killjoy Cutter wrote...

FieryPhoenix7 wrote...

"I want you, Thane." != "I'm here for you, Thane. Whatever you need."

Not even remotely close.

I sat there and stared at that for a few minutes the first time a femShep character fell for Thane, and I eventually thought "that can't be what she's actually going to say here, let's go look this up online first". 

Sometimes the distance between the dialogue wheel and what is actually said is extreme.

That makes sense to me in this situation, though.  If the wheel said something like, 'I'm here for you", that could easily be taken as just friendship dialog (I would have done this) and people would end up in a potentially un-wanted relationship with Thane.

"I want you" gives pretty clear intentions to the player, and by selecting it, you are telling the game you would like to initiate a romance with Thane (and a variable is set somewhere), even though Shepard herself doesn't tell Thane "Take me now, you hunk of a drell!"

But, you are right that sometimes the wheel and the actual speech are very different, or Shepard doesn't quite say what you thought she would or should.

[jwalker]

jlb524 wrote...

Tup3xi wrote...

I looks like facial structure 9 isn't very popular.

It isn't, but I think you did a great job with it.  I think I tried that structure once and I think my Shepard turned out good (I have no pics...this is an old Shepard from my XBox playing days).

Abby is a 3.

[Skyline_Stanza]

jlb524 wrote...

"I want you" gives pretty clear intentions to the player, and by selecting it, you are telling the game you would like to initiate a romance with Thane (and a variable is set somewhere), even though Shepard herself doesn't tell Thane "Take me now, you hunk of a drell!"

I spit soda errywhere when I read that. Thank, jlb.

But yes, sometimes the dialouge wheel and what's actually said are a bit different. I've always thought that what ever I'd chosen fit the situation and context. Other times, I thought that what Shep responds with could have been phrased just a tiny bit better in my opinion.  

[jlb524]

Really? Face 3 has to be the hardest to work with...great job on Abby!!!

[Reverie]

I asked on the modding thread, but didn't get much response. So I'll ask you guys here. I'm trying to add the Liara armor for my shep to wear. I'm trying to have it set as torso with the invisible arms, shoudlers and such. I believe that it's almost
correct. The only problem I'm having  is that the armor won't show up unless my shep
is wearing a helmet. Doesn't matter what helmet or what environment. It just wont show up if she is helmetless. Is there anyway to correct this?

Jo is not impressed with all the fiddle around with clothes I'm doing.

[Chignon]

Tup3xi wrote...

I looks like facial structure 9 isn't very popular.

I used 9 for Noah. (:

[Skyline_Stanza]

Chignon wrote...

Tup3xi wrote...

I looks like facial structure 9 isn't very popular.

I used 9 for Noah. (:

The blues are much more darker and richer on the Citadel, and I realize that its another contrast that it has with Omega, which is seedy, red, and dingy while the Citadel is vibrant, blue and pristine. Hey! Paragon and Renegade, blue and red! Oh, Bioware, you sneaks. (or maybe I'm reading too deep into that. Oh well.)

Love the contrast between Noah's bright face and her dark surroundings. Makes her glow!

[ELE08]

Reverie wrote...

I asked on the modding thread, but didn't get much response. So I'll ask you guys here. I'm trying to add the Liara armor for my shep to wear. I'm trying to have it set as torso with the invisible arms, shoudlers and such. I believe that it's almost
correct. The only problem I'm having  is that the armor won't show up unless my shep
is wearing a helmet. Doesn't matter what helmet or what environment. It just wont show up if she is helmetless. Is there anyway to correct this?

Jo is not impressed with all the fiddle around with clothes I'm doing.

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Yeah, it glitches out if there is only one armor piece.  There are a few workarounds.  
-Use an earring mesh as a helmet "BIOG_HMF_HIR_PRO.Earrings.HMF_HAT_Er2_MDL"
-Use the hairclip mesh as a helmet (looks fine if using the highbun hairstyle; it's what I use.  As seen on Gianna Parasini.) "BIOG_HMF_HIR_PRO.HairClip.HMF_HAT_Hcp_MDL"
-Set the armor as a fullbodyappearance.  Only if you don't mind Shep using breather voice filter all the time.

Modifié par ELE08, 03 novembre 2010 - 04:59 .

[Jane Shepard]

Chignon wrote...

Noah is a very interesting character. I like her!

And I actually don't remember what facial structure I used for Diana...


And for Mikaela...

[syllogi]

Skyline_Stanza wrote...

The blues are much more darker and richer on the Citadel, and I realize that its another contrast that it has with Omega, which is seedy, red, and dingy while the Citadel is vibrant, blue and pristine. Hey! Paragon and Renegade, blue and red! Oh, Bioware, you sneaks. (or maybe I'm reading too deep into that. Oh well.)

Love the contrast between Noah's bright face and her dark surroundings. Makes her glow!

Nah, you're not reading too much into it, Bioware loves the blue-orange contrast thing, especially in Mass Effect 2.  It's one of the reasons I'll never punch out the reporter, the backdrop when she's interviewing Shepard is one of my favorite spots in the game for screenshots:

[Vralenalien]

LesEnfantsTerribles wrote...

jwalker wrote...

Abby is a 3.

/picsnip

Abby is such a unique and distinctive looking Shepard, jwalker. Love her! Liara is a lucky girl.

What Les said.

Modifié par Vralenalien, 03 novembre 2010 - 05:39 .

[Babli]

Jade Shepard. My canon Shep

I have other 2 ManSheps and now I´m about to start my last ME playthrough with neutral FemShep.

Modifié par Babli, 03 novembre 2010 - 05:43 .

[Tup3x]

Chignon wrote...

Tup3xi wrote...

I looks like facial structure 9 isn't very popular.

I used 9 for Noah. (:

Really? I had no idea, looked so different.

[Killjoy Cutter]

mashavasilec wrote...

Wait, what is a facial structure?

The basic shape of the character's face in the custom face creator.

[jwalker]

Vralenalien wrote...

LesEnfantsTerribles wrote...

jwalker wrote...

Abby is a 3.

/picsnip

Abby is such a unique and distinctive looking Shepard, jwalker. Love her! Liara is a lucky girl.

What Les said.

Thank you, both !
I now know she's a 3 because a couple of weeks ago I endured the painful process of reverse engineering her face code from the save.... It was worth it.

[f1r3storm]

Leave now, i follow.


I love that rifle.


I feel like i'm beeing watched.


Can't you just use your Biotics to get him to the ship?