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[kommanderkat]

cgrimm54 wrote...

kommanderkat wrote...

Some more of Jen's and Jane's past....
Tell me what you think of this.


*ficsnip* 

It has potential.  A lot of potential.  It's rather short now, though..

...and that's because it's in a forum.  

So yeah.  Good start! 

Thanks. It's just a little deeper into their history. I'll have to type more, and I will.
Jane and Jen have a very rough history/past and they hated it but know if it happened any different that they wouldn't be who they are.

[Yeap]

sagequeen wrote...

it is ridiculous that shep is "canonically straight." *rolls eyes again*
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okay, here's a question: do you usually go into an RPG intending to follow a romantic subplot, or do you find most VG LIs silly and/or distracting, or do you wait to see if you like any of the romances before deciding?

I hear yeah. Femshep is straight? Yeah sure, Liara isn't a women and Kelly didn't happen. I'm hoping for my lesbian drell rebound, but a human is fine too.
And the question, don't you already decide who your character is even before you start playing? You find out there is a romance option and you think of the possibility of your character falling in love. If your character finds something like that distracting then forget it, if not then you explore your options to see if the romance fits well with their story. If not again then break off the relationship.
I guess my answer is I don't make that decision, my character does. In MEs case though, I reload sometimes because the dialogue options can be very vague. You have mentioned that before with the consort as an example.
But then to contradict myself, during the game you might decide to change your character to fit a romance. I try to give reasonable explanation for that. 

On the subject of romance I guess I'll share my Shepard's love interests. Oh and I think I have finally given her a name, Anthony. I love me some masculine names for females.

Sialater wrote...

But anyway.... who is your Shep's favorite LI? And why? (I guess that could be our Shep Question.)

My Shepard is a very promiscuous women so she looks at others as objects to mess around with. In her whole life she had never fallen in love until she met Liara. After a bit of talking she got "swept up in the storm" and didn't know what to make of it. Her having a weakness to cute girls probably had something to do with it, but it was completely illogical and why develop these kind of feelings now? She had no problem melding minds with other asari, but this was different. She knew what kind of person she was and felt afraid of what Liara would think of her, so she turns down Liara's offer before Illos and the get together after shadow broker will not end well. In ME3 she will break it off with her because Liara deserves better.
Also she had something going on between Thane but didn't have enough time to figure out if it was love, pity or a rebound.

[thompsmt]

Well, I must say that ME's were well written, and not artificial in some way.



Hell, I'm a guy, and I liked how Kaiden was written. Compared to some male "Love Interests," he's a decent fellow, and almost like he's supposed to be a would be good friend from work at worst.



Liara, of course, is the one we all like.



ME2, I really don't like going for Jacob, as he's way to obvious, and most of the conversations just seem poorly written.



Thane's philosophy doesn't impress me, because of the separation of thought and action.



Needless to say, mine ended up staying faithful to Liara.

[Sable Phoenix]

sagequeen wrote...

okay, here's a question: do you usually go into an RPG intending to follow a romantic subplot, or do you find most VG LIs silly and/or distracting, or do you wait to see if you like any of the romances before deciding?

and with that, what was your take on ME in relation to the LIs available for femshep?

Hmm... Love interests.  I'm trying to think of the first game I played with a major love interest.  Believe it or not I never played the Baldur's Gate series so I don't have that, and I can only think of BioWare games that actually have memorable/believable romances.  I guess the first one would've been Annah of the Shadows from Black Isle's Planescape:Torment, which still remains the best computer RPG ever made (and had two roles for Hale, yay!).

But my real intro to BioWare was KOTOR, which just blew me away.  The plot twist two thirds of the way in still remains my top gaming moment ever.  I was so stunned I couldn't even continue playing for minutes.  Part of it was I never ever expected the Dark "Lord" Revan to be a woman.  Now, of course, in my head Revan is and always will be a woman, no matter what the "canon" of LucasArts is.  Sadly, on my first playthrough, I was too nice to Carth, and while it felt like there should be a romance there, I never got it.  I played through it multiple times after, though, and having figured out how to play through it exactly how I wanted, I am suitably snarky I always get romance with Carth in there ("You hairless wookiee!"  Hehehe).  I never got it when people called him whiny.  He's just a man who's been betrayed and lost a lot because of it and it takes time to work through that.

Anyway!  The most deep and rewarding romances in any game to date are those in Dragon Age, I think.  My first time through, my mage (I did? who knows if there's a difference) fell for both Leliana and Alistair, and it was a really tough decision.  I finally went with Alistair, which ended up in tragedy since there was no way she'd go for the Dark Ritual and no way she'd let Alistair take her place.  Ever since then, I've gone with Leliana, even when I made a magnificent bastard of an Elven mage designed specifically for Morrigan.  I just love Leliana, she's one of my favorite characters ever and definitely my favorite love interest of any game.  Plus, her voice is just... mmm.  Melt-worthy.  And I dare you to watch this without laughing.  Just that giggle alone is enough to tie me around her little finger.  Most amazing voice ever!

Anyway, better stop before it turns into a Leliana gush post.

With all of that, I find the relationships available for femShep to be... how to put this charitably... abrupt.  I know BioWare can do better, just look at DA.  But then, there's a 100 hour game vs. a 40 hour game (if I'm being generous, usually even doing every single thing ME1 only takes about 25 now that I know where to find everything, MW2 probably less).  It's a testament to the strength of femShep as a character and Hale's voice work that I can really approach them as being believable at all.  DA's romances had far better pacing and were far deeper.  Still, they are well done enough in ME/ME2 that I find them a critical part of the game experience.  Plus, they grant some much needed emotion and humanity to what would otherwise be "brickShep".

Long story short, I don't ever "intend" to follow a romantic subplot.  They just happen, as they're supposed to, and I end up following one if I discover it.  I always will, if I can.  I guess I fall in love too easily, at least with fictional characters.  I only have once in real life, so I don't know what that says about my abnormality...

Modifié par Sable Phoenix, 19 novembre 2010 - 06:08 .

[Yeap]

I don't see whats abnormal with being in love once in life. You aren't alone.
Leliana's voice..I can see why you chose her. I should pick up DA sometime.

I try not to think much of the romance since it's not the point of the game, but it's disappointing to hear that they have done better. Oh well, I like to to think that they left the romance sub-plot open. Deep and meaningful conversations happened off screen along with other situations like sleep and poop. ME2 gave us more to imagine with the extra relaxing bit.  Oh, and they gave us the ability to flush the toilet. Femshep is human I tell you!

[Sable Phoenix]

Yeap wrote...

I don't see whats abnormal with being in love once in life. You aren't alone.
Leliana's voice..I can see why you chose her. I should pick up DA sometime.

Except that I still am, and she isn't with me any longer, soooo... yeah.

Anyway, OT.  And yes, you should!  DA is awesome.  Much different than ME/ME2, but more my style of game, actually.  It's just that the player characters are both more and less defined than femShep, and she's the reason I play and obsess over ME.  That and I prefer sci-fi in general, and the ME universe is a great sci-fi universe, right up there with Babylon 5.

Modifié par Sable Phoenix, 19 novembre 2010 - 07:24 .

[Cyansomnia]

@Sable
Don't even get me started on the tragedy that was my first DA:O character.  

I was such an emotional wreck after I finished that game.  The first time a game has ever made me cry.

As for FemShep, I never really pick out a romance and build a character around it.  I come up with a concept, then think "which person would this Shepard fall for?" according to her personality.  To be honest, I like most of the romances.  I want to experience them all.  

My Shepards have a will of their own, though.  I'm just along for the ride.

[Sable Phoenix]

Aislinn Trista wrote...

@Sable
Don't even get me started on the tragedy that was my first DA:O character.  

I was such an emotional wreck after I finished that game.  The first time a game has ever made me cry.

I was wrecked and cried too.    Not bawling, but definitely tearing up and sniffling.  Only Planescape:Torment ever made me do that until DA came along.  I mean... forcing myself to convince Alistair, despite the romance, to take the crown and marry Anora for the good of the country, then having him dump me, then having Anora betray us, then finding out about the ultimate sacrifice and turning down the Dark Ritual...

And Alistair's speech at the end, with the little hitch in his voice as he speaks to the bier with words pitched to low for the crowd to hear...  :crying:

And yes, femShep just sort of takes charge.  Jessica is definitely her own person.  I just sit back and record what happens.

I hope ME3 has as high of an emotional charge as DA did.  I've already written off DA2 (aka Dragon Effect, and that's not a good thing) so I don't think I have any other game in the near future with that potential.

Modifié par Sable Phoenix, 19 novembre 2010 - 07:50 .

[Yeap]

Awww Sable...

Oh no a terrible end in DA? I like an ending that can make me cry so consider me even more interested. Next game I buy...after ME2 again.

I hear not many cared for the Shepards death scene at the beginning? Like it was cheap? I didn't cry but I felt a void in my chest even when I knew she was coming back.

[f1r3storm]

Random screenshots.

[Sable Phoenix]

Yeap wrote...

Awww Sable...
Oh no a terrible end in DA? I like an ending that can make me cry so consider me even more interested. Next game I buy...after ME2 again.
I hear not many cared for the Shepards death scene at the beginning? Like it was cheap? I didn't cry but I felt a void in my chest even when I knew she was coming back.

It was 'cheap' becaue they handwaved it away without exploring any of the incredibly deep emotional, spiritual, ethical, societal, technological, and frankly disturbing implications of actually resurrecting someone from the dead, and nobody seems to think it's all that extraordinary, not even Shepard herself.

It was 'cheap' because they'd set up a universe with a veneer of hard sci-fi and decided to ditch all that for the sake of shock value.

It was 'cheap' because it was based on a game design decision (reset button for new players, only way they could think of to bring up the character creator screen again) rather than narrative progression.

I could go on.  I like the game but the plot really bites.  I can't even stand to watch the opening cinematic any more.

Modifié par Sable Phoenix, 19 novembre 2010 - 08:08 .

[f1r3storm]

I hear not many cared for the Shepards death scene at the beginning? Like it was cheap? I didn't cry but I felt a void in my chest even when I knew she was coming back.

Very emotional scene for me, especially with your LI on board. You tell Liara (in my case) to go but you clearly see she doesn't want to leave you there. That must have been heartbreaking for her to see the Normandy blow up and only hear from Joker.

Always get goosebumps when playing/seeing this.

[Cyansomnia]

@Sable

I had a female human noble. She fell for Alistair, made him king and was going to marry him. Then turned down the ritual and sacrificed herself to save him and Ferelden. A happy ending taken away in the blink of an eye.  Oh, and seeing Fergus alive at the funeral.. 

Anyway, here's a few stills of Moira from my video.. which is turning out quite good.

Modifié par Aislinn Trista, 19 novembre 2010 - 08:55 .

[Sinapus]

ELE08 wrote...


Here, have another.  She just turned out so...soldier-y : )

"ANYONE ELSE WANT TO NEGOTIATE?!"
Asari Councillor: "Where did she learn to negotiate like that?!" 
Turian Councillor: "I wonder...."
*Anderson whistles innocently*

[ADLegend21]

Aislinn Trista wrote...

@Sable

I had a female human noble. She fell for Alistair, made him king and was going to marry him. Then turned down the ritual and sacrificed herself to save him and Ferelden. A happy ending taken away in the blink of an eye.

Anyway, here's a few stills of Moira from my video.. which is turning out quite good.

Moira is hawt!

[Calla S]

Finally getting close to the end game with Dia! I'm learning new, fascinating things about her, too. For instance...


Evidently she doesn't like Thane much.


Wasn't fond of Ms. Dantius, either.


She really likes Samara, though! (Cue "d'awwwwwww.")

[Yeap]

^Haha poor Thane. That's absolute disgust there. That's a beautiful smile there in the last one. I suspect it will turn to a frown in a few minutes.

@Sable
Yeah, I definitely had a problem with that. Joker is pretty much the reason why you died and he never says anything about that.  He can avoid it out of fear and embarrassment but Shepard too? Actually I don't remember  when Shepard told anyone about her resurrection. It makes sense if everyone thought she just went under the radar but everyone on the crew knows the truth right? I need to play it again.
And I thought everything can be explained by "lol prothean technology"

@f1r3storm
Ha, I thought it was the VS who was suppose to help you so I flipped out when it was Liara. I love telling her to get the hell out of there. Too bad your reunion was a kiss and then her sending you off to hack terminals. I like how LotSB poked fun at it.

[Sinapus]

Sable Phoenix wrote...
It was 'cheap' becaue they handwaved it away without exploring any of the incredibly deep emotional, spiritual, ethical, societal, technological, and frankly disturbing implications of actually resurrecting someone from the dead, and nobody seems to think it's all that extraordinary, not even Shepard herself.

It was 'cheap' because they'd set up a universe with a veneer of hard sci-fi and decided to ditch all that for the sake of shock value.

Not even a "Why me? Why didn't you revive Pressly or anyone else?!" yelling fit.

Though some sci-fi does deal with that. Bujold's Vorkosigan saga comes to mind.

[sapphyreelf]

Sable Phoenix wrote...

Yeap wrote...

Awww Sable...
Oh no a terrible end in DA? I like an ending that can make me cry so consider me even more interested. Next game I buy...after ME2 again.
I hear not many cared for the Shepards death scene at the beginning? Like it was cheap? I didn't cry but I felt a void in my chest even when I knew she was coming back.

It was 'cheap' becaue they handwaved it away without exploring any of the incredibly deep emotional, spiritual, ethical, societal, technological, and frankly disturbing implications of actually resurrecting someone from the dead, and nobody seems to think it's all that extraordinary, not even Shepard herself.

It was 'cheap' because they'd set up a universe with a veneer of hard sci-fi and decided to ditch all that for the sake of shock value.

It was 'cheap' because it was based on a game design decision (reset button for new players, only way they could think of to bring up the character creator screen again) rather than narrative progression.

I could go on.  I like the game but the plot really bites.  I can't even stand to watch the opening cinematic any more.

I think BW missed a golden opportunity to explore the ramifications of Shepard's death and dealing with the resurrection, but I understand to a degree why it was likely left out. After all, the "average gamer" is less inclined to want to play a hero that could be perceived as "weak". I think it's one of the side effects of trying to develop the game for such a broad audience. I really wish that there had been a way to really delve into that issue.

Hell, the fact that this issue was missing from the game, really was what spurned by muse into starting my story "Everything's Not Fine" because there were so many things, little and big, that I just felt were left unsaid, for Alexis anyways. And I can explore those on my own without feeling like I'm coloring too much outside the lines.

[Shenzi]

sapphyreelf wrote...

Sable Phoenix wrote...

Yeap wrote...

Awww Sable...
Oh no a terrible end in DA? I like an ending that can make me cry so consider me even more interested. Next game I buy...after ME2 again.
I hear not many cared for the Shepards death scene at the beginning? Like it was cheap? I didn't cry but I felt a void in my chest even when I knew she was coming back.

It was 'cheap' becaue they handwaved it away without exploring any of the incredibly deep emotional, spiritual, ethical, societal, technological, and frankly disturbing implications of actually resurrecting someone from the dead, and nobody seems to think it's all that extraordinary, not even Shepard herself.

It was 'cheap' because they'd set up a universe with a veneer of hard sci-fi and decided to ditch all that for the sake of shock value.

It was 'cheap' because it was based on a game design decision (reset button for new players, only way they could think of to bring up the character creator screen again) rather than narrative progression.

I could go on.  I like the game but the plot really bites.  I can't even stand to watch the opening cinematic any more.

I think BW missed a golden opportunity to explore the ramifications of Shepard's death and dealing with the resurrection, but I understand to a degree why it was likely left out. After all, the "average gamer" is less inclined to want to play a hero that could be perceived as "weak". I think it's one of the side effects of trying to develop the game for such a broad audience. I really wish that there had been a way to really delve into that issue.

Hell, the fact that this issue was missing from the game, really was what spurned by muse into starting my story "Everything's Not Fine" because there were so many things, little and big, that I just felt were left unsaid, for Alexis anyways. And I can explore those on my own without feeling like I'm coloring too much outside the lines.

This was a huge issue for me as well and while it didn't prompt me to write my fic which has run far away from the original concept (that would be the craptastic writing of Horizon), I have spent the a good part of the fic dealing with the emotional aspects surrounding Shepard's resurrection.

By this point of the story Shepard should be having some serious issues with everything she's learned.

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Modifié par Shenzi, 19 novembre 2010 - 01:06 .

[Lennox33]

Wow, things move fast here...

Sialater wrote...

Well, he's a marine.... he's got to follow appearance regs.

But anyway.... who is your Shep's favorite LI? And why? (I guess that could be our Shep Question.)

The very first time I played ME, I romanced Kaiden (...just slipped into it somehow... ). But it turned out to be a bit boring to me. With Kaiden I just missed that certain...fire. My Sheps always have a real hard time not to fall asleep while listening to him... Well at least the kids would love him for telling bedtime stories... *hands up* please don´t shoot me !! (Great, made me some enemies right now...)

With my second playthrough I started romancing Liara and my Shep got, like someone else here said,  "swept away with the storm". She´s just so adorable  ( With ME2 I tried several times to romance someone else, but I just couldn´t do it, even before LotSB...Yes, I admit, my Shep is totally addicted to her... )

Modifié par Lennox33, 19 novembre 2010 - 02:40 .

[syllogi]

Lennox33 wrote...

The very first time I played ME, I romanced Kaiden (...just slipped into it somehow... ). But it turned out to be a bit boring to me. With Kaiden I just missed that certain...fire. My Sheps always have a real hard time not to fall asleep while listening to him... Well at least the kids would love him for telling bedtime stories... *hands up* please don´t shoot me !! (Great, made me some enemies right now...)

With my second playthrough I started romancing Liara and my Shep got, like someone else here said, my "swept away with the storm". She´s just so adorable  ( With ME2 I tried several times to romance someone else, but I just couldn´t do it, even before LotSB...Yes, I admit, my Shep is totally addicted to her... )

I tend not to criticize other romances, because I know it can make fans of those romances feel defensive, and I'd rather have friends on the BSN of all LI flavors...so I'll just say that Kaidan was the first video game romance made for female characters that I liked, and although I have a special fondness for Alistair and Zevran, no other LI compares to him for me, and though I've done Liara's romance in ME1, his romance is my personal "canon."  I understand that he's not for everyone, but the very idea of a sensitive, quiet, caring MALE romance option, who only shares his past because he wants to give his opinion of the current mission, and never asks anything of Shepard in return, was kind of groundbreaking at the time.  We saw a bit more of that with Alistair, but I don't know of any other "sensitive guy" characters who came before him.  Now I can only hope that they can do justice to his ME1 appearance in ME3...or I'll be very sad.

Bringing it back to FemShep, I've said it before, but I'm kind of glad now that my main Shepard was single in ME2, it made me focus more on fleshing out her character in my mind, and even though I think the writers were on crack when they decided to force us to work with Cerberus, even that gave me more to work with, as a roleplayer, to decide *why* she was doing this.

So there's a question:  why is your FemShep working with Cerberus...other than the obvious threat of the Collectors? 

I had to decide that since Gwen has the Spacer background, she grew up around Systems Alliance military politics, and is very cynical and untrusting of them to do the right thing in this situation.  She joined the military because it was the best way to use her biotics to help people, and also to honor her father's memory, but seeing her parents split up because of their jobs, and having the experience of trying to convince the Alliance to listen to her about the Reapers, made her realize that she didn't have the time to jump through their hoops to get the help she needed if she was going to stop the Collectors without Cerberus.  So, even though she is completely disgusted with TIM and his organization, she'll use them, the way they are using her, until she has the time and means to convince the Systems Alliance to see things her way.  In the meantime, she feels guilty and miserable, but she had to make a decision, and she is trying to make it the right one.  Of course, sometimes, she has major doubts, though...

[Sialater]

Well, Carth gave his opinion in the same fashion as Kaidan. Just more along the lines of, "this is why I'm reluctant to trust you but seem to be doing so against my better judgment."



For both Meghan and Avery, they work reluctantly within the confines of Cerberus. They're both disenchanted with the Alliance for different reasons, though. They are using Cerberus to get the job done and will do their best to dismantle the organization when they're done with it.



Avery may just be a tad more gentle than Meg in this regard. Meg wants to rip TIM's heart out through his nose.