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[Jane Shepard]

How different Jane is in ME1 and in ME2...

Modifié par Jane Shepard, 19 novembre 2010 - 03:15 .

[f1r3storm]

Lennox33 wrote...

Wow, things move fast here...

Sialater wrote...

Well, he's a marine.... he's got to follow appearance regs.

But anyway.... who is your Shep's favorite LI? And why? (I guess that could be our Shep Question.)

The very first time I played ME, I romanced Kaiden (...just slipped into it somehow... ). But it turned out to be a bit boring to me. With Kaiden I just missed that certain...fire. My Sheps always have a real hard time not to fall asleep while listening to him... Well at least the kids would love him for telling bedtime stories... *hands up* please don´t shoot me !! (Great, made me some enemies right now...)

With my second playthrough I started romancing Liara and my Shep got, like someone else here said,  "swept away with the storm". She´s just so adorable  ( With ME2 I tried several times to romance someone else, but I just couldn´t do it, even before LotSB...Yes, I admit, my Shep is totally addicted to her... )

For me there was just this kind of bond between Shep and Liara right from the beginning. She's just so adorable, cute and lovely. My Shep was a spacer and always moved on and on, so i guess both didn't have that much friends in their lifes. After they met, they show interest in each other, care for each other. I guess that's something they never experienced so much before. Kind of a natural fit.

[Skyline_Stanza]

Speaking of FemShep/Liara, I was busy watching little playthrough videos on Youtube. One was entitled: Reflections: Enhanced Version. It's towards the end of the game, obviously.

It was really well done, and the music complemented the scenes really well. Touched my heartstrings a bit.

Reflections

Modifié par Skyline_Stanza, 19 novembre 2010 - 03:25 .

[f1r3storm]

TeenZombie wrote...

So there's a question:  why is your FemShep working with Cerberus...other than the obvious threat of the Collectors? 

No other reason actually. The alliance won't help, the council won't help, so what to do? And she also felt a bit like standing in Cerberus' debt for bringing her back. I'd say she didn't think too much about it cause it was kind of an urgent matter and she focused on that, leaving anything else aside for the moment, especially if it has to do with the reapers. Seeing the council still not acknowledging the threat and not taking any steps to investigate the loss of human colonies made her somewhat angry.

So Cerberus is the only choice to stop the collectors and the reapers, for now. And that's why she basically told TIM to f*** off at the end. Mission done, i'm out.

[JamieCOTC]

Sable Phoenix wrote...

Yeap wrote...

Awww Sable...
Oh no a terrible end in DA? I like an ending that can make me cry so consider me even more interested. Next game I buy...after ME2 again.
I hear not many cared for the Shepards death scene at the beginning? Like it was cheap? I didn't cry but I felt a void in my chest even when I knew she was coming back.

It was 'cheap' becaue they handwaved it away without exploring any of the incredibly deep emotional, spiritual, ethical, societal, technological, and frankly disturbing implications of actually resurrecting someone from the dead, and nobody seems to think it's all that extraordinary, not even Shepard herself.

It was 'cheap' because they'd set up a universe with a veneer of hard sci-fi and decided to ditch all that for the sake of shock value.

It was 'cheap' because it was based on a game design decision (reset button for new players, only way they could think of to bring up the character creator screen again) rather than narrative progression.

I could go on.  I like the game but the plot really bites.  I can't even stand to watch the opening cinematic any more.

Preach it!  You are my hero for today, Sable. 

Modifié par JamieCOTC, 19 novembre 2010 - 03:29 .

[Sialater]

It occurs to me I should answer my own question.



Avery: After Mindoir, she'd resigned herself to never falling in love and having a family. After all, they just led to heartbreak. And then Elysium happened. She wasn't proud of the things she had to do to defend that colony, but she did them and she won. Prior to Kaidan, rules were there for a reason. She'd lived like a soldier monk for so long, only having flings while off duty. Something shallow and short lived that served only to scratch any physical itches she might have had. She deliberately chose men that didn't fit her "type." And then, she arrives on board the Normandy and the smoky-voiced Lieutenant with the melting whiskey-colored eyes and the perpetual five-o'clock-shadow said, "Nice to meet you... ma'am." She would listen to him speak without realizing how far gone she was. Until he came to comfort her after they were grounded. He'd become her anchor and her rudder and when Horizon happened she locked herself in the loft for hours later and wouldn't even talk to Garrus, the closest thing to a younger brother she's ever had. When she opened the door, finally, her heart was locked away again. Until the events of A Paragon of Virtue.



Meghan: I can't explain Meghan's choices with out giving spoilers to Loved.

[Vralenalien]

jwalker wrote...

@Vralenalien

amy is lovely !! her hair matches her eyes... and she can be quite scary too. i remember one pic
you posted earlier, having a 'chat' with Fist, he he...

Amy thanks you. [smilie]../../../images/forum/emoticons/grin.png[/smilie] I think she turned out quite lovely also. [smilie]../../../images/forum/emoticons/love.png[/smilie]

Kind of funny that you think Amy is scary. She's my most paragon Shep I've ever made. She's sometimes so paragon it makes me gringe my teeth. She's earthborn so maybe that's where her scaryness comes from or maybe it's just the pure paragon thing that makes her scary. [smilie]../../../images/forum/emoticons/andy.png[/smilie]

There has been so many questions.

I don't even try to keep up them in the order they were asked and I propably miss some of them. Meh. [smilie]../../../images/forum/emoticons/grin.png[/smilie]

First. Who's my sheps favorite LI and why.

As far as my FemSheps go nearly all of them have fallen for Liara. Even the one I made to stay single. Liara's intelligence is one major factor.Her strenght of will is another major factor. Her uncertainty and her way of saying things totally wrong at the beginning were adorable. "I mean you would be great specimen for indept study. NO, that's even worse!" The way she says it is so cute. I think that line might be why I ended up romance her in my first game. Not the words itself, but how she says them. Liara is also one of the most supportive person Shep could ever have. Romance or no romance.
She is just perfect fit for my FemSheps.


Second, Why is my Sheps working for cerberus.

There really isn't other reason than the collectors. No one else will do anything so Shep is stuck with Cerberus. Also atleast some of my Sheps feel that they owe something for Cerberus and view helping them as a payback. Not one of my Sheps really trust them, but I don't think TIM trusts Shepard fully either so they've even.
I've not yet made Shep who would be pro-cerberus. I doubt I ever will.

Modifié par Vralenalien, 19 novembre 2010 - 04:01 .

[Lennox33]

@ Teen

No offense to anyone. I certainly know, that picking a LI is a matter of someones own character an personal
likes or dislikes and I´m the last to judge that. Hopefully everyone else here can see that, too.

f1r3storm wrote...

TeenZombie wrote...

So there's a question:  why is your FemShep working with Cerberus...other than the obvious threat of the Collectors? 

No other reason actually. The alliance won't help, the council won't help, so what to do? And she also felt a bit like standing in Cerberus' debt for bringing her back. I'd say she didn't think too much about it cause it was kind of an urgent matter and she focused on that, leaving anything else aside for the moment, especially if it has to do with the reapers. Seeing the council still not acknowledging the threat and not taking any steps to investigate the loss of human colonies made her somewhat angry.

So Cerberus is the only choice to stop the collectors and the reapers, for now. And that's why she basically told TIM to f*** off at the end. Mission done, i'm out.

Same here.  She´s very focussed on her mission and she would go through hell itself to stop the Reapers. So if
that means to sympathize with the devil for a while, she does. But if she had another choice, she would take it.

[Sable Phoenix]

Vralenalien wrote...

As far as my FemSheps go nearly all of them have fallen for Liara. Even the one I made to stay single. Liara's intelligence is one major factor.Her strenght of will is another major factor. Her uncertainty and her way of saying things totally wrong at the beginning were adorable. "I mean you would be great specimen for indept study. NO, that's even worse!" The way she says it is so cute. I think that line might be why I ended up romance her in my first game. Not the words itself, but how she says them. Liara is also one of the most supportive person Shep could ever have. Romance or no romance.
She is just perfect fit for my FemSheps.

This!  No matter how many times I have that first conversation with Liara, I can't help but laugh aloud at how flustered and cute she gets.  "What?  NO!"  It's a combination of the superb voice acting by Ali Hillis and the special custom animations they gave Liara in that scene, but it just makes me go "d'awwwwww!" every time.

Modifié par Sable Phoenix, 19 novembre 2010 - 04:31 .

[Skyline_Stanza]

Sable Phoenix wrote...

Vralenalien wrote...

As far as my FemSheps go nearly all of them have fallen for Liara. Even the one I made to stay single. Liara's intelligence is one major factor.Her strenght of will is another major factor. Her uncertainty and her way of saying things totally wrong at the beginning were adorable. "I mean you would be great specimen for indept study. NO, that's even worse!" The way she says it is so cute. I think that line might be why I ended up romance her in my first game. Not the words itself, but how she says them. Liara is also one of the most supportive person Shep could ever have. Romance or no romance.
She is just perfect fit for my FemSheps.

This!  No matter how many times I have that first conversation with Liara, I can't help but laugh aloud at how flustered and cute she gets.  "What?  NO!"  It's a combination of the superb voice acting by Ali Hillis and the special custom animations they gave Liara in that scene, but it just makes me go "d'awwwwww!" every time.

You ladies have put my thoughts into words. I LOVE those first conversations with her.

[adneate]

TeenZombie wrote...
So there's a question:  why is your FemShep working with Cerberus...other than the obvious threat of the Collectors?

Because we're forced to by the writers, otherwise I'd have just shot Jacob, Wilson and Miranda dead in the first 10 minutes of the game and took off. The Collectors aren't even that big of a threat, least not one that requires Shepard to work with Cerberus to stop them. I suppose the only reason why my Shepard's are working with Cerberus is because she got on the shuttle instead of gunning Miranda down, now they're hostages and they can't just up and leave with Cerberus watching their every move at all times.

[Sialater]

Because Shenzi is a wonderful, wonderful woman, she gave me Meg:

[Leo]

Name: Selene Daikin Shepard
Background: Earthborn, Sole Survivor
Alignment: Paragon
class: Infiltrator
Favorite Combat Ability or Abilities: Cloak

Decisions

ME1 Council: saved
The Rachni: saved
What happened on Feros?: Saved everyone
Virmire: Left Ash
Conrad Verner: didn’t put a gun to his head
Noveria: helped Gianna
Bring Down the Sky: Saved the hostages
Anderson or Udina: Anderson

ME2 and the Council: Reinstated
The Collector Base: Destroyed
Suicide Mission casualties: None
The Geth: Rewritten
Tali: helped Tali
Genophage cure data: told Mordin to keep and possibly use it
Overlord: Saved David
Kasumi: Let Kasumi keep the memories

Personal stuff

Romance: Kaidan

Why Shepard and her LI are such a great match:
Both of them are good people, that didn’t get to have a good childhood.

Best Friends: Ashley, Toombs, Thane, Jacob, Garrus, Wrex, and Tali


Personality:
Selene is reserved, and compassionate. Unless she’s in combat where she’s “cold”, and distant.

Three fun facts:
1) has a USMC KA-BAR, and a Master of Defense Keating Hornet knife
2) is Ambidextrous
3) Reads books on alien anatomy, to find out where their vitals are

[Sable Phoenix]

TeenZombie wrote...
So there's a question:  why is your FemShep working with Cerberus...other than the obvious threat of the Collectors?

Well, I know a bunch of people say they'd have shot Wilson, Jacob and Miranda right from the start, but then how do you get off the station?  We've been given no indication Shepard has any piloting skills, and if we extrapolate modern day Marine training, you don't give every jarhead recruit a crash course in flying choppers during Basic, you only do that if you're training as a Marine Aviator.  Even though the shuttle seems to be running on autopilot when they escape (Miranda and Jacob sure aren't flying it), it's doubtful she knows how to program one, much less how to set astrogational destinations (astrogation is complicated and requires a firm grasp of higher mathematics and geometry as well as very specific knowledge of starcharts and positioning).  If Shepard shoots everyone else, she really will "stay and rot with the mechs", as Miranda says.  If she wants to get off the station she has no choice.  Not to mention Miranda's disinterest in that sentence has to be feigned; if Shepard really had turned truculent, I have no doubt Miranda would've hit her with a Neural Shock or a sedative and dragged her onto the shuttle.  You don't scrub a two-year multi-billion credit project just because of a little attitude problem.

From that point on it's a little more ambiguous why Shepard sticks around, except that we're once again given no indication that TIM's claim she can leave whenever she wants is anything but placating words.  Again, how's she going to get away?  She can't fly the shuttle herself.  Tali probably could but we don't get Tali for a long time.

As far as Jessica herself goes, as I mentioned before, she felt right away that the entire setup was a hostage situation.  She figured if she was too much trouble, they might space her again, but she was convinced that Chakwas and Joker were included as collateral and that they'd be abused and/or killed if she didn't cooperate.  Thus, she played things close to her chest and worked to turn the ship and crew from a Cerberus cell into a Shepard cell.  The biggest variable in the problem there was EDI, which wasn't solved until after the Collectors raided the ship, so it makes sense it wasn't till the end of the game she could flip the Illusive Man the bird and take off with what is now her ship and crew.

[sagefic]

wow, go to sleep early and the pages jump a LOT. so much femshep awesomeness though.

Aislinn Trista wrote...

[I wouldn't say Thane is angsty.  He's sorrowful, regretful and stuck in his past.  I understand what you're getting at, though. 

you're right. i said that badly. i think what i was trying to say is that thane has a rather large shadow cast over him. some find that to be his appeal, some like him in spite of it. for me (and my extension, my sheps), it is a grief i don't want to intrude in. i like that holly goes for him - it helps me appreciate the NPCs more when people say why they like a particular romance, even if i don't choose it.

thompsmt wrote...

Thane's philosophy doesn't impress me, because of the separation of thought and action.

 that's what it is. omg, yes. sorry, i was a phil major, and thane's philosophizing drives me crazy. you'd think i'd like it, you'd be wrong. his "did you never read your human philosophers?" (re: hobbes) made me bristle and later when he gave his soul/body speech i just wanted to shout "no, no, no! no descartes! that man is responsible for just about everything that is currently WRONG with western thought!" <--- lol, i get sort of opinionated on such things, so this annoyed me greatly. unfair to thane's character, perhaps, but there you go

Flies_by_Handles wrote...
I also like Kaiden's maturity and composure. 

this. i know he's not for everyone, but its the maturity of his character and their relationship that get me every time. it just seems very real: he's very 'guy next door' - if the guy next door was a hot, biotic marine. but yeah, nothing flashy, but kaidan is both unassuming and yet very remarkable. it's a subtle and fantastic piece of characterization. like liara, he starts as the 'i'm the codex entry on biotics' (as she's the one on asari), but getting beyond that is an intelligent, mature, and very classy person. the ME2 characters were just as well developed AS characters, but again, i think the dialog did them a great disservice, romance dialog or not (calibrations? really? man, i hope that endless meme gets BW to wake up and write better dialog for garrus in ME3)

JamieCOTC wrote...
As for femShep’s ME1 romances they were all a bit abrupt.  “Hi, I’m your new team mate.  Thank you for being nice to me.  You’re cute, let’s do it.” 

really? see, now i think ME2's were much more abrupt. part of that is VG "romance" - it's an impressionistic brushstroke at best, but ME2's romances just made me 

here's why: it's the lack of options in response. ME1 did sort of ninjamance you, but there WERE options re: that. you could block a potential LI early, being a jerk to them, you could wait until the confrontation scene, or you could just ignore them until a romance was established elsewhere. heck, you could renegade kaidan, paragon ashley, even in flirting there were multiple choices. some people hated the "i hear you soldier" line from shepard, which i adore. it's sort of over-the-top flirting, but it was the only time i had shep do something like that and that lack of restraint for kyrie really seemed to fit there - like she's doing her best to flirt and maybe being silly in that attempt. anyhow, point being, smaller pool of options, but you could really RP shepard to fit them.

ME2, there is cougar-shep to approach jacob. and yes, there may be good options later, but you have to get through cougar dialog. thane's proposition is SWEET, it really is, but the trigger line "i want you thane" doesn't summarazie what she actually says AT ALL. and while some sheps may be the "i want to help you get through this" type, some are not. why can't a hard-core renegade shep teasingly tell thane she'll give him a good memory to add to the bad? or whatever. and don't even get me started on garrus-mance. "reach and flexibility" may work for some sheps, but i know a LOT of garrus-girl sheps who would never in a million years say such a thing.

sort point: options in romance dialog were sadly lacking in ME2. maleshep wasn't much better. it wasn't just that they felt tacked on (all except tali, whose romance was paced with plot events throughout the game <--a big part of her appeal, i'd say). it was that in addition to not progressing naturally like the tali and ME1 romances did, they also railroaded shep into a particular RP incarnation. a renegade or paragon shep could romance liara or kaidan and each romance could feel distinct and yet fitting for the shep and the LI. that was the beauty of ME1's dialog. but ME2, that was much less the case. it did not escape my notice, however, that miri and jack are the 2 ME2 LIs that have unique paragon and renegade ways to romance them - Aaannndd... they're for maleshep only.

Yeap wrote...
And the question, don't you already decide who your character is even before you start playing? 

no joke. and that's why it's silly to me that shep is canonically straight. it's like "you can make shep anything you want.... but not THAT."   and yes, yeap, asari, kelly... the evidence is against that claim.

TeenZombie wrote...

So there's a question:  why is your FemShep working with Cerberus...other than the obvious threat of the Collectors? 

i went into great detail in my fanfic: it's a conspiracy

Sable Phoenix wrote...

It was 'cheap' becaue they handwaved it away without exploring any of the incredibly deep emotional, spiritual, ethical, societal, technological, and frankly disturbing implications of actually resurrecting someone from the dead, and nobody seems to think it's all that extraordinary, not even Shepard herself.

It was 'cheap' because they'd set up a universe with a veneer of hard sci-fi and decided to ditch all that for the sake of shock value.

It was 'cheap' because it was based on a game design decision (reset button for new players, only way they could think of to bring up the character creator screen again) rather than narrative progression.

I could go on.  I like the game but the plot really bites.  I can't even stand to watch the opening cinematic any more.

YES. oh, i do so love the individual pieces of ME2. the missions, the levels, the characters, the FEEL, the mood, the pathos. but the overarching plot...<_< yeah. i'm with you.

i could still be redeemed in ME3 though. 

at the moment, ME2 looks to me like this cancerous growth off of ME1. it could turn out to be a new, flowering, beautiful thing. but only ME3 will tell.

alright, enough rambling:




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Modifié par sagequeen, 19 novembre 2010 - 06:15 .

[Sialater]

Interesting point about Joker and Chakwas being hostages for Shep's good behavior, Sable.


And thanks, Sage!

Modifié par Sialater, 19 novembre 2010 - 06:12 .

[Sable Phoenix]

Sialater wrote...

Interesting point about Joker and Chakwas being hostages for Shep's good behavior, Sable.

Yeah, I while back I said that the entire story in ME2 could've made sense if they'd just added a single line of dialogue from the Illusive Man:

"Of course you're free to leave us whenever you wish, Shepard -- just remember, you're responsible for the continued good health of your associates, as well."

Not an overt threat, a simple statement that could be taken a few different ways, but the implication would be enough.

Modifié par Sable Phoenix, 19 novembre 2010 - 06:23 .

[FireEye]

TeenZombie wrote...

So there's a question:  why is your FemShep working with Cerberus...other than the obvious threat of the Collectors? 

She's not.  She jumped out in front of the mech on Freedom's Progress. 

[ADLegend21]

JamieCOTC wrote...

I laughed until I cried!

femShep's secret romance -

oh lord.....whyy????

[ADLegend21]

TeenZombie wrote...

So there's a question:  why is your FemShep working with Cerberus...other than the obvious threat of the Collectors? 

For Kat,since she's an engineer and a friggen genius, She's going along with Cerberus because she's going to take over cerberus if there's an option to do so in ME3. since they brought her back she might as well run the thing, because TIM honestly couldn't have thought sheaprd would just be a yes woman and not have a back up plan. So ultimately she's jsut biding her time before she swoops in a takes control of the collector base and shuts tim down.

[NamiraWilhelm]

ADLegend21 wrote...

JamieCOTC wrote...

I laughed until I cried!

femShep's secret romance -

oh lord.....whyy????

Elcor: Overly erotic, i dont want you to be gentle

Haha awesome. And really makes you appreciate that its Hale that voices her lol.

[Chignon]

ADLegend21 wrote...

JamieCOTC wrote...

I laughed until I cried!

femShep's secret romance -

oh lord.....whyy????

Oh God, what is this?