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[syllogi]

I know that the statistic stating that 80 percent of players play as MaleShep came out a while ago, but apparently Bioware has released more information on ME2 stats, and claim that only eighteen percent of players choose FemShep: http://www.destructo...ng-188362.phtml



Sigh. I really still have a hard time believing that over eighty percent of players never create even ONE female character while playing ME2, but what do I know. It's really disheartening, and makes me think that asking for more recognition and marketing for Jennifer Hale/FemShep is in vain. BUT...I guess we're part of an elite minority, right?

[jlb524]

I really love Hale's Renegade lines myself...I know some claim they aren't that good (and she's better as a Paragon) but I strongly disagree.

[Chignon]

TeenZombie wrote...

Sigh. I really still have a hard time believing that over eighty percent of players never create even ONE female character while playing ME2, but what do I know. It's really disheartening, and makes me think that asking for more recognition and marketing for Jennifer Hale/FemShep is in vain. BUT...I guess we're part of an elite minority, right?

I can't really believe it either.

[jlb524]

TeenZombie wrote...

I know that the statistic stating that 80 percent of players play as MaleShep came out a while ago, but apparently Bioware has released more information on ME2 stats, and claim that only eighteen percent of players choose FemShep: http://www.destructo...ng-188362.phtml

Sigh. I really still have a hard time believing that over eighty percent of players never create even ONE female character while playing ME2, but what do I know. It's really disheartening, and makes me think that asking for more recognition and marketing for Jennifer Hale/FemShep is in vain. BUT...I guess we're part of an elite minority, right?

Indeed...that's always awesome.

I don't believe those stats are that valid.  Unless I underestimate the ratio of casual ME fans (the ones that play Sheploo/DudeShep Soldier once and then quit) to those more hardcore fans that play the game multiple times, and perhaps grow to prefer FemShep.  If that's the case, then we can feel proud to be in the elite minority

[Jagged Orchid]

TeenZombie wrote...

I know that the statistic stating that
80 percent of players play as MaleShep came out a while ago, but
apparently Bioware has released more information on ME2 stats, and claim
that only eighteen percent of players choose FemShep: http://www.destructo...ng-188362.phtml

Sigh.
I really still have a hard time believing that over eighty percent of
players never create even ONE female character while playing ME2, but
what do I know. It's really disheartening, and makes me think that
asking for more recognition and marketing for Jennifer Hale/FemShep is
in vain. BUT...I guess we're part of an elite minority, right?

My main problem is none of this is in context. They seem to indicate that 80% of the fanbase plays as DudeShep which would obviously mean that 20% play as female. Up until today, I've never actually see the FemShep statistic published. So does this mean that 20% or 18% according to the other article play as FemShep, or is that an assumption? I know 80+20=100, but just because one has played as DudeShep, does not mean that have not also played as FemShep. I'm FemShep all the way, but I have created a male Shep as well. Am I included in that statistic? That's what I mean my context. It's something BioWare has never been clear on. That is why I take all these articles with a grain of salt.

Modifié par Valagil, 24 novembre 2010 - 04:36 .

[curly haired boy]

part of the reason is the once-and-done players, the other is probably gender-related. there are probably more male than female ME fans, and the males probably don't play femsheps all that often.



i can understand that, though. i've tried really hard to figure out garrus's and kaiden's appeal as love interests, and i just can't grasp it XP



i guess maleshep is just easier for guys to relate to on a gut level. that's not to say there aren't male fans of femshep (obviously that's not the case!) but it requires a bit more effort to "step out of yourself".

[Mr.Vakarian]

Vralenalien wrote...

The question is: Why do you play FemShep?

Is it her Voice actress Jennifer Hale or have you just fell in love with your FemShep from the start. Did the fact that you could play female protagonist affect your decision to buy Mass Effect in the first place.

Please tell us why do you love FemShep.

I love the depth, uniqueness and richness of her character. She is NOT another "bimbo with a gun"...and I like that. 

I'm a guy and I usually play as a male character, but will always give the female character a playthrough if the option is given. Saddly, most of the time they just don't seem "engaging" to me at all. ME however was EXCEEDINGLY different. I'm still not sure why I did, but dispite my usual routine,  I played through ME my first time as FemShep...and will never play it any other way. 

Of course I must mention the "goddess" of this thread as the main reason FemShep grabbed me and won't let go:  Jennifer Hale.

She has a very unique voice acting style that is Powerful, Intimidating and Strong...yet Heartfelt, Compassionate, Comforting and Seductive as all heck!  

There is a certain level of brilliance that allows her the ability to work with all of these very well, sometimes working them ALL into a single line.

FemShep has certainly solidified her legacey as one of the Greatest Video Game Heroines OF ALL TIME.....and I think every one else here would agree.

Now for a visual refference:  Why do I love FemShep (or my FemShep inparticular)?

Moments like this......



FemShep EPICNESS (one of my FAV shots of Maddy)

[Sialater]

Where is that shot again?

[ELE08]

curly haired boy wrote...

at first i played femshep just to see what the game looked like from the other gender's perspective. now, femshep seems to me just as awesome as maleshep - but it's not as "universal" as maleshep? it's a bit hard to explain, but i'll try:

i can make a dozen different malesheps with different faces and always feel that they're an iteration of shepard - they feel true to the actions and voice. with femsheps i've never played one that i felt really "clicked" with the actions and voice. most of the facecodes i looked at were too pretty for me to take the femshep seriously, and those that weren't didn't seem to match the voice. but that all changed with the femshep i just made in my ME1 canon run. somehow, her face matched the voice and actions of what i consider "femshep" perfectly. so now i'm a big fan of femshep, but really, i'm only a big fan of *my* femshep.

i don't know if that made any sense.... XD

This makes me think of sage's avatar vs. character argument. Manshep is more of an avatar, and his voice acting helps aid in actually feeling like you're playing that character because it's in kind of a neutral territory. Hale's performance makes her seem like a very distinct character, which is maybe why so many people are particular and attached to their versions of who she is. Sorry sage if I butchered your argument completely.

I have made quite a few femsheps for fun and to try different scenarios that I felt did not match the voice acting, or even how I imagine the perfect femshep.


RE:Why do I play as femshep? As a woman, I find it easier to put myself in her shoes I guess. Not that I can relate to being her, but it's easier to imagine how I would react in a given situation. That's for seerius bizness playthroughs; canon sheps; sheps I'm going to flesh out with backstory. Plenty of others have just been for the pew-pew, but I still play as femshep because I just like her. Shepard is a woman in my world at this point. Not knocking manshep in the least, just how I play my game.

Flies_by_Handles wrote...

I can't bring myself to make a character that strongly resembles me. I find that this ruins the whole point of role-playing, which is to immerse yourself in a character other than yourself and go from there. Of course a lot of other players feel quite the opposite, and I couldn't blame them.

However, I will say that out of my three Shepards and depending on the camera angle, Indra bears some resemblance to my face structure which is a little unnerving.

My first inclination is to make characters that have at least a passing resemblence to myself. Like you said, it's a roleplaying preference, and I find it helps with immersion.

I'm pretty sure making yourself is totally impossible with Mass Effect since the feature shapes are static and have limited range. Unless you happen to already look like any of those features, unlikely. I've never tried, I'm mixed race and none of the eye or nose settings even come close.

Most regular looking people do not transfer well to what is possible in games anyhow. They lack nuance and quirky features are easy to lose in translation. Look at Miranda: she is gorgeous in real life, doesn't completely transfer over. She still looks pretty most of the time, but there is still some serious uncanny valley happening.

Flies_by_Handles wrote...
If you could design your own real-life face, would any of you base it off of your Shepard creations?

Interesting question. Right now at this moment? No, I love my face as it is, flaws and all. It the only face I's ever known
If I could somehow magically go back in time to before I was born and play god?  Maybe.  Because technically "I" don't exist yet.  Too many variables to think about, need more coffee.  But I doubt many people would say no to being more attractive, and my favorite femsheps are how I see the ideal woman (which is for the record, Monica Bellucci.  Pls refer to my Dragon Age avatar for my favorite character I've ever made, ever.)

RE: Indra; that's Indra right?  Damn, she looks tough.  And I mean that as a compliment.

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18% play as femshep huh?  Eh, a lot of people played ME2, and if the forums are any example the majority were male, and a large percentage of the total were casual players (which most likely means Sheploo.)  Can't blame male players for choosing a male character, since I do the exact same thing.
Quoting for relevance

curly haired boy wrote...

part of the reason is the once-and-done players, the other is probably gender-related. there are probably more male than female ME fans, and the males probably don't play femsheps all that often.

i can understand that, though. i've tried really hard to figure out garrus's and kaiden's appeal as love interests, and i just can't grasp it XP

i guess maleshep is just easier for guys to relate to on a gut level. that's not to say there aren't male fans of femshep (obviously that's not the case!) but it requires a bit more effort to "step out of yourself".

*cough* long post is long

[sagefic]

those stats are beyond screwy.

the glaring question that comes to my mind is How did they get that data?

they couldn't possibly be pulling down game stats if they're saying 83% of people made a shep to look like them. how could they? i mean, the CC doesn't come with a camera and feature comparison software to report back on that sort of thing. if they meant 83% play custom shep, why not say so? no, if they're saying "made a shep to look like themselves" then that is the sort of thing they could only get from a poll. question is, what poll, who took it, what site was it on, etc. i never heard of such a poll, did you? so right there, not a clear representation. just like the many polls on THIS site, which, though fun, are clearly biased beyond belief. only hardcore ME fans will be on this site LOOKING to take polls, and we have our vested interests in making sure our fave characters come back.



so yeah. those stats may be accurate (i do imagine many casual gamers don't finish ME2 and probably play as sheploo most of the time), but i find the entire thing highly suspect.



and @ curly haired boy, you'd have to check the kaidan/garrus threads if you want to ask about their appeal. they do have guy fans, even as LIs, though I think I'm safe in saying most of the LI fans are women.

[Netin]

Vralenalien wrote...

The question is: Why do you play FemShep?

Is it her Voice actress Jennifer Hale or have you just fell in love with your FemShep from the start. Did the fact that you could play female protagonist affect your decision to buy Mass Effect in the first place.

Please tell us why do you love FemShep.

It's a combination of things I guess. I first tried out Mass Effect two years ago and as male myself I played through Eden Prime and some of the Citadel with the default male Shepard, but it didn't really catch my interest, so I shelved the game until Mass Effect 2 was about to be released.

I then started with a female Shepard, and instantly just fell in love with the character and the game. Jennifer Hale did a fantastic job with the voice acting and manage to give Shep so much character that the game becomes much more enjoyable to play. Not to bash Meer, but his voice is just too wooden for my taste and doesn't work well when you're trying to immerse yourself in the game.

Another part of the reason is that it is refreshing being able to play a strong female protagonist in a game not specifically designed for female protagonist. It makes the experience more unique and is a welcome change after playing game after game with the stereotypical badass male soldier.

Random femshep pic, Sara Shepard



I admit I usually don't have much patience for the character creator, especially since it's so hard to get a feel of how it looks ingame without actually starting the game, so I tend to just do minor fixes on either one of the default faces or one of my previous ones.
I'm thinking about going through a canon run next time though, so I'll probably spend a bit more time there then and establish a proper canon Shep.

[Sable Phoenix]

TeenZombie wrote...

I know that the statistic stating that 80 percent of players play as MaleShep came out a while ago, but apparently Bioware has released more information on ME2 stats, and claim that only eighteen percent of players choose FemShep: http://www.destructo...ng-188362.phtml

Sigh. I really still have a hard time believing that over eighty percent of players never create even ONE female character while playing ME2, but what do I know. It's really disheartening, and makes me think that asking for more recognition and marketing for Jennifer Hale/FemShep is in vain. BUT...I guess we're part of an elite minority, right?

That article may be new, but the actual stats are the exact same ones that have been released by BioWare before, even up to the little screenshot showing the percentage breakdown.  And just like before, they're nothing but a bunch of numbers with no context.  You can make statistics say anything you want based entirely upon context.

Are those stats drawn from consoles?  I bet they are.  I know I'm on the PC and I'm paranoid about my computer talking to anything I don't tell it to talk to, so I always turn off automatic updates and statistics tracking and ME2 was no exception.  Something like that is probably impossible on consoles, and I have the impression consoles have a much higher casual and male gaming population compared to people who make multiple playthroughs or women.  I could be wrong, that's just what I feel.

Do these playthroughs include every new character made as soon as you hit the "Accept" at character creation, or do they include completed playthroughs only?

Do the statistics capture only the first character a player creates and treat that one character per player profile as the only character data?  I bet that's the case, too, so the large number of players that first started with manShep and graduated to femShep later on still record as manShep only.

Let's not even get into the missing 2% in those statistics, as someone else already mentioned.

The point is, until we know how the data is collected and exactly what it represents, those numbers are totally meaningless.  Given the vast prevalence of femShep on DeviantArt and in fanfiction, I'm guessing her fanbase is a much higher percentage than BioWare's numbers indicate.

"There are three kinds of falsehood: lies, damned lies, and statistics." - Mark Twain

Modifié par Sable Phoenix, 24 novembre 2010 - 05:11 .

[sagefic]

ELE08 wrote...
Sorry sage if I butchered your argument completely.

nope, that's about right 

[ELE08]

sagequeen wrote...

those stats are beyond screwy.
the glaring question that comes to my mind is How did they get that data?
they couldn't possibly be pulling down game stats if they're saying 83% of people made a shep to look like them. how could they? i mean, the CC doesn't come with a camera and feature comparison software to report back on that sort of thing. if they meant 83% play custom shep, why not say so? no, if they're saying "made a shep to look like themselves" then that is the sort of thing they could only get from a poll. question is, what poll, who took it, what site was it on, etc. i never heard of such a poll, did you? so right there, not a clear representation. just like the many polls on THIS site, which, though fun, are clearly biased beyond belief. only hardcore ME fans will be on this site LOOKING to take polls, and we have our vested interests in making sure our fave characters come back.

so yeah. those stats may be accurate (i do imagine many casual gamers don't finish ME2 and probably play as sheploo most of the time), but i find the entire thing highly suspect.

and @ curly haired boy, you'd have to check the kaidan/garrus threads if you want to ask about their appeal. they do have guy fans, even as LIs, though I think I'm safe in saying most of the LI fans are women.

I wouldn't put much stock in the numbers myself. But I don't doubt more people play as a male shepard. Sheploo is the automatic default after all.
But, the data is all useless as far as I'm concerned unless we have more detailed info about where it came from. I don't even have reporting on! I turned it off so the game wouldn't take so long to start up.

Sable sums it up pretty well ^

[Mr.Vakarian]

Sialater wrote...

Where is that shot again?

Kasumi's LM   "The Heist" during the final battle with Hock.

[Sialater]

Mr.Vakarian wrote...

Sialater wrote...

Where is that shot again?

Kasumi's LM   "The Heist" during the final battle with Hock.

So that's two excellent shots you can get there.  Too bad I can't get that barret.

[jwalker]

jlb524 wrote...

TeenZombie wrote...

I know that the statistic stating that 80 percent of players play as MaleShep came out a while ago, but apparently Bioware has released more information on ME2 stats, and claim that only eighteen percent of players choose FemShep: http://www.destructo...ng-188362.phtml

Sigh. I really still have a hard time believing that over eighty percent of players never create even ONE female character while playing ME2, but what do I know. It's really disheartening, and makes me think that asking for more recognition and marketing for Jennifer Hale/FemShep is in vain. BUT...I guess we're part of an elite minority, right?

Indeed...that's always awesome.

I don't believe those stats are that valid.  Unless I underestimate the ratio of casual ME fans (the ones that play Sheploo/DudeShep Soldier once and then quit) to those more hardcore fans that play the game multiple times, and perhaps grow to prefer FemShep.  If that's the case, then we can feel proud to be in the elite minority

well, my first playthrough ever was a custom dudeshep ( never sheploo ) soldier.....
if they only take on account your 1st, then  those stats suck

[Chignon]

Well, those stats should tell BioWare something else. Namely that their promotions regarding FemShep is nearly non-existent. I almost passed ME1 and ME2 up because I didn't realize you could play as a female character.

[jlb524]

Sable Phoenix wrote...

The point is, until we know how the data is collected and exactly what it represents, those numbers are totally meaningless.  Given the vast prevalence of femShep on DeviantArt and in fanfiction, I'm guessing her fanbase is a much higher percentage than BioWare's numbers indicate.

Well, yes.  The 'hardcore' ME fans that do thing such as fan art and write fan fics definitely like FemShep a lot. 

But, what's the ratio of these fans to the ones that play the game once (or rent it) with Sheploo Soldier, and don't really care much about the lore or characters?

The sad thing is, that given the bottom-line (money), the harcore ME fan counts about as much as the casual one that plays the game once (they both pay the same for the game).  Plus, there's more of them, so they will be catered to, unfortunately.  They probably want to use these stats to justify that.

[Jagged Orchid]

Chignon wrote...

Well, those stats should tell BioWare something else. Namely that their promotions regarding FemShep is nearly non-existent. I almost passed ME1 and ME2 up because I didn't realize you could play as a female character.

I was vaguely interested in ME1 when I first saw it advertised, but didn't get it right away because I was not aware that playing as a female was even possible. I bought the game after reading that playing as a female was indeed possible. However, even once you get in to the game, unless you are paying attention and you poke around, you very well may find yourself starting the game as Sheploo. I made that mistake me 1st time around. Loaded the game and realized I had to go through the CC before selecting play. At least they improved that issue with ME2. I'd like to see them maybe officially acknowledge somewhere that you can in fact play as femshep though.