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[Skyline_Stanza]

sagequeen wrote...

but back to femshep. as an individual, she rocks. i wish i could get more of my friends addicted to mass effect so they could see just how awesome she is. sadly, most of them thing video games are dumb. *sigh*

I'm trying to get a friend hooked too, and so far, I think I'm suceeding. She's got a PS3, so having ME2 come out on that console was an awesome turn of events. Now I can (hopefully) have her fangirling with me (well, fanboying in my case, but still).

ToP Shep!

Modifié par Skyline_Stanza, 11 décembre 2010 - 12:52 .

[mellifera]

Iconic? How about this:


Lulz, but really, I'd say either this one-

or this one-


Both of which I need to retake when I play her again, wearing the right armor and with her visor (and without an assault rifle) xD

Modifié par yukidama, 11 décembre 2010 - 01:27 .

[leggywillow]

sagequeen wrote...

but back to femshep. as an individual, she rocks. i wish i could get more of my friends addicted to mass effect so they could see just how awesome she is. sadly, most of them thing video games are dumb. *sigh*

Me too, but I'm the only girl I know who plays video games beyond occasionally dabbling in Wii games like Mario Kart... and only one of my friends even does that.  My husband doesn't even play video games.  How sad.

Also the great and generous Shenzi has agreed to take some screenshots for me, and I am extremely excited about it.  I was squeeing over the sample shots she made and my husband kept giving me strange looks.  



Evie, just chilling out.  She's my extreme Renegade, and I love her.

[Cyansomnia]

@Leggy

Renegades seem to like that pose.  

Modifié par Aislinn Trista, 11 décembre 2010 - 01:34 .

[rage-monk]

sagequeen wrote...

Flies_by_Handles wrote...

Sable Phoenix wrote...


See, I'm not a fan of feminism period, sex-positive or otherwise.  In my experience, feminism tends to focus on one aspect of being a woman and blow that single aspect way way way out of proportion as if it were the most important thing in the universe.  That kind of two-dimensional approach would be parody if it weren't politics, and does just as much a disservice to women as trying to force men to be more feminine does to them.  Healthy and proper function can only be achieved with balance and holism, just like everything else in life.  Myopism never increases the clarity of the image, even if it is self-induced.

  That's a pretty bold thing to say. I feel that I owe a lot towards feminism and were it not for such a movement--ongoing as it may be--I would not be in a position to enjoy the benefits of living as a 25-year old woman in 2010 with access to the same freedoms and choices as men. I think with most any movement there are points to disagree on and changes to be made, but perhaps feminism is more a mindset (that of equality in all aspects of life) than a movement at this point. Besides that, it's strange to think that such a movement is out of place in a world where women still struggle for simple freedoms in certain countries. In other words, without feminism I don't think you would be in a position to discard it as harmful, and at this point, maybe you take it for granted?

 Sorry if this is off-topic but I enjoyed reading Sable's and Sage's post so felt the urge to reply.

it is OT, sorta, but i do agree. i'll sit the fence a little and say i can see both sides. feminism as a movement has made huge strides, but i also think it eventually can (and in many cases has) placed hindrances of its own on women. anything that groups women as a whole and doesn't account for individuals will do that.
[...]

For that reason I like to differentiate between feminism and emancipation. The former standing for (simplified speaking) the will to turn a patriarchy into a matriarchy, which inevitably scares men and doesn't help women.
The latter would imply the notion to have the two sexes be regarded as equals.
I would imagine that if FemShep was written drastically different from ManShep (i.e. more feminine) she wouldn't feel like an emancipated human being.

[thompsmt]

Modifié par thompsmt, 11 décembre 2010 - 02:19 .

[thompsmt]

Well, I'm a guy and the thing I really like about FemShep is how she's written as a person, and it lets you project your own desires on her, far better than DudeShep. However, it doesn't lose the big nature of the game.



I figure a ME movie will have a male Shepard, who gets Liara anyway.



Iconic photos of Renée:

ME1





ME2



or

[Suspire]

See what I mean about no one agrees on it? XD



I have to disagree rage-monk, I think what you refer to as feminism is femism. Feminism should be about equality.



Back to Shep, random:



Shepard: ...step away from the boobs, please.

[JamieCOTC]

FireEye wrote...

So for the rest of you, if you have them, what are the most iconic photos you have of your Sheps?

"Got to let it go Garrus." 


About to bite the hand that feeds her. 


"We're here to chew bubble gum and kick a** . You guessed it. We're all out of bubble gum."


Maybe it's just me, but she seems sad, yet determined at the same time. This is one of my fav pics of UJ as it pretty much defines her character.

[Melindil]

Iconic images of our FemSheps...hm.  I don't know that I consider these "iconic" of Melantha, but they definitely speak to her attitude and personality.

[rage-monk]

Well, suspire, I had to go by the terms I know as a German. The terms we use are "Feminismus" and "Emanzipation". If you use different names for these ideas it doesn't automatically negate the point I was trying to make.

[Suspire]

It's just that there's a lot of confusion with people thinking feminism is about women's "superiority" in a sense, which makes a lot of people hate feminism without knowing what they are thinking of is actually the definition of femism, which is completely different (one is equality, the other is superiority). So as long as we're talking about the definition of feminism, you did the same thing. It's kinda hard to define an English word if you base it on a different language.

Modifié par Suspire, 11 décembre 2010 - 03:01 .

[Cyansomnia]

Iconic images of my FemSheps:



Moira:





Constance:





Aislinn:





Trista:





Holly:

[Skyline_Stanza]

Earth is Burning! Mass Effect 3 revealed?

Something I found while wandering around the web.Nothing too defininte, and it sheds some interesting light on what's ahead for our Shepards. Thought, I'm not sure if the release date is correct....anyway, something I'd thought I'd just pop in to share!

Modifié par Skyline_Stanza, 11 décembre 2010 - 03:19 .

[mellifera]

A new kind of geth?

[Sable Phoenix]

Suspire wrote...

It's just that there's a lot of confusion with people thinking feminism is about women's "superiority" in a sense, which makes a lot of people hate feminism without knowing what they are thinking of is actually the definition of femism, which is completely different (one is equality, the other is superiority). So as long as we're talking about the definition of feminism, you did the same thing. It's kinda hard to define an English word if you base it on a different language.

Well, I'd have gone with rage-monk's wording (and thank you for that, by the way, "emancipation" was exactly the word I couldn't think of), since I've never heard the word "femism" before, and I'm very informed about poltical issues (also if you google "femism" every entry that comes up is "feminist", so... >shrug<).  Given that people like Gloria Steinem, Margaret Sanger, and Rosie O'Donnell call themselves "feminists", I just use their own word for it.  It's not meant to offend anyone.

The major failing of feminism, in my opinion, is that overall it seems to want the meaning of "equality" to be "same".  Equality does not imply "sameness", it means being presented with the same opportunities.  Trying to force men to be like women, and/or force women to be like men, denies the fundamental (and enjoyable!) differences between each sex and has caused plenty of demonstrable problems in gender relations, society, and the family unit.

I don't think this is going off topic at all, because it all still relates to femShep.  She's the perfect embodiment of what I was calling "true feminism", which the word "emancipation" fits better.  People are confronted with this femal soldier doing exactly the same things that, in an alternate universe, a male soldier is doing in her position, and they don't bat an eye.  Her competence and authority is such that they just accept it without question.  In the rare instances where someone makes a disparaging comment about her gender (Harkin, the Omega Blue Suns batarian recruiter), and in those situations she can immedately smack them down for it and they back off into the default respect (or fear) for her position.  Her teammates, male or female, all treat her as an authority figure and a competent soldier without a single objection, and she gives them the same courtesy regardles of their gender.  I think the only female character in video games who even comes close to this level of presentation is the monosyllabic Samus Aran, and her depth of character is as comparable to Shepard as a wading pool to a reservoir (plus, Nintendo, in shameless Japanese style, has recently sexualized her to a rather disappointing degree, something I doubt we'll ever have to confront with femShep, thank god).  Quite frankly, the only equals to femShep we've seen are in film, which, for a video game character, is an incredible accomplishment.

Modifié par Sable Phoenix, 11 décembre 2010 - 04:24 .

[Sable Phoenix]

yukidama wrote...

A new kind of geth?
http://i55.tinypic.com/2tutv.jpg

>snrk< Hah!

Gotta love the Unreal Engine's wonky lighting system.

[JamieCOTC]

Skyline_Stanza wrote...

Earth is Burning! Mass Effect 3 revealed?

Something I found while wandering around the web.Nothing too defininte, and it sheds some interesting light on what's ahead for our Shepards. Thought, I'm not sure if the release date is correct....anyway, something I'd thought I'd just pop in to share!

I guess we will know by tomorrow night.  As much as I don't want MP, I have to admit it would be interesting to see femshep imported into another game as an NPC.  That would be kind of cool in a spin-off w/ her as a human Counselor or an admiral.  This begs the question, assuming your femshep makes it through ME3, what will she do afterwards?  Will she continue to step up in rank to Captain and keep protecting the galaxy, become the next human Counselor, accept rank of admiral and fly a desk, get married and have little blue children or what? 

[jlb524]

Iconic Shepard pics (not really, but I like them)



















ok, i'm done.

[JamieCOTC]

Sable Phoenix wrote...

Suspire wrote...

It's just that there's a lot of confusion with people thinking feminism is about women's "superiority" in a sense, which makes a lot of people hate feminism without knowing what they are thinking of is actually the definition of femism, which is completely different (one is equality, the other is superiority). So as long as we're talking about the definition of feminism, you did the same thing. It's kinda hard to define an English word if you base it on a different language.

Well, I'd have gone with rage-monk's wording (and thank you for that, by the way, "emancipation" was exactly the word I couldn't think of), since I've never heard the word "femism" before, and I'm very informed about poltical issues (also if you google "femism" every entry that comes up is "feminist", so... >shrug<).  Given that people like Gloria Steinem, Margaret Sanger, and Rosie O'Donnell call themselves "feminists", I just use their own word for it.  It's not meant to offend anyone.

The major failing of feminism, in my opinion, is that overall it seems to want the meaning of "equality" to be "same".  Equality does not imply "sameness", it means being presented with the same opportunities.  Trying to force men to be like women, and/or force women to be like men, denies the fundamental (and enjoyable!) differences between each sex and has caused plenty of demonstrable problems in gender relations, society, and the family unit.

I don't think this is going off topic at all, because it all still relates to femShep.  She's the perfect embodiment of what I was calling "true feminism", which the word "emancipation" fits better.  People are confronted with this femal soldier doing exactly the same things that, in an alternate universe, a male soldier is doing in her position, and they don't bat an eye.  Her competence and authority is such that they just accept it without question.  In the rare instances where someone makes a disparaging comment about her gender (Harkin, the Omega Blue Suns batarian recruiter), and in those situations she can immedately smack them down for it and they back off into the default respect (or fear) for her position.  Her teammates, male or female, all treat her as an authority figure and a competent soldier without a single objection, and she gives them the same courtesy regardles of their gender.  I think the only female character in video games who even comes close to this level of presentation is the monosyllabic Samus Aran, and her depth of character is as comparable to Shepard as a wading pool to a reservoir (plus, Nintendo, in shameless Japanese style, has recently sexualized her to a rather disappointing degree, something I doubt we'll ever have to confront with femShep, thank god).  Quite frankly, the only equals to femShep we've seen are in film, which, for a video game character, is an incredible accomplishment.

But was it intentional?  I think not.  I doubt BW put that much thought into femshep and inadvertently created a credible female heroine.  She may have been, as some suspect, an afterthought.  And don’t knock afterthoughts.  The ending to the Planet of the Apes where Chuck Heston finds the Statue of Liberty was a last minute addition to the film. 

[Cyansomnia]

Skyline_Stanza wrote...

Earth is Burning! Mass Effect 3 revealed?

Something I found while wandering around the web.Nothing too defininte, and it sheds some interesting light on what's ahead for our Shepards. Thought, I'm not sure if the release date is correct....anyway, something I'd thought I'd just pop in to share!

Interesting.  Apparently FemShep pissed off the Reapers enough they're going to attempt to eradicate the human race.  I just hope we get some more tasty DLC like LotSB between now and then.

[Sable Phoenix]

JamieCOTC wrote...

Skyline_Stanza wrote...

Earth is Burning! Mass Effect 3 revealed?

Something I found while wandering around the web.Nothing too defininte, and it sheds some interesting light on what's ahead for our Shepards. Thought, I'm not sure if the release date is correct....anyway, something I'd thought I'd just pop in to share!

I guess we will know by tomorrow night.  As much as I don't want MP, I have to admit it would be interesting to see femshep imported into another game as an NPC.  That would be kind of cool in a spin-off w/ her as a human Counselor or an admiral.  This begs the question, assuming your femshep makes it through ME3, what will she do afterwards?  Will she continue to step up in rank to Captain and keep protecting the galaxy, become the next human Counselor, accept rank of admiral and fly a desk, get married and have little blue children or what? 

Oh I already have that planned out.  I'm going to fic-ify it after ME3, but I am waiting to fic-ify Jessica until ME3 just to make sure I don't get Jossed.

But if things play out right, I forsee Jessica retiring to a quiet asari world with Liara, who has handed over the Shadow Broker position to Feron and Miranda (because I don't see Feron as being competent enough to handle it by his lonesome, and it seems to be just the sort of thing control-freak Miranda would love to get her hands on).  Maybe they'd end up on Thessia itself, but it would be out in the rural areas, close enough so they cold reach cities but still have some distance from crowding.  Jessica would just be incredibly tired and want to rest, and would convince LIara to enter her matron stage early and raise a family with her.  The Lazarus Project would have major implications to he galaxy, and "revenants", people who have died and been artificially reconstructed like Shepard, start slowly appearing amongs the rich and powerful, but face even worse stigma than synthetics, due to being, well, synthetic "zombies" essentially.  Shepard spends time trying to get people to accept revenants, and ends up starting a sort of religion among the asari, as the first one to come back from the dead she's held in a sort of mystical regard.  Liara works with he University of Serrice to try and locate and catalogue every bit of ancient lost technology and data in case the Reapers or something like them are still out there, so the galaxy never forgets and never is caught unprepared.  She has two daughters with Jessica, one named Ashley at Jessica's insistence, in honor of Gunnery Chief Ashley Williams.

And then of course things go all to heck, but that's reserved for the actual fic.

Modifié par Sable Phoenix, 11 décembre 2010 - 05:32 .

[Skyline_Stanza]

Sable Phoenix wrote...

JamieCOTC wrote...

Skyline_Stanza wrote...

Earth is Burning! Mass Effect 3 revealed?

Something I found while wandering around the web.Nothing too defininte, and it sheds some interesting light on what's ahead for our Shepards. Thought, I'm not sure if the release date is correct....anyway, something I'd thought I'd just pop in to share!

I guess we will know by tomorrow night.  As much as I don't want MP, I have to admit it would be interesting to see femshep imported into another game as an NPC.  That would be kind of cool in a spin-off w/ her as a human Counselor or an admiral.  This begs the question, assuming your femshep makes it through ME3, what will she do afterwards?  Will she continue to step up in rank to Captain and keep protecting the galaxy, become the next human Counselor, accept rank of admiral and fly a desk, get married and have little blue children or what? 

Oh I already have that planned out.  I'm going to fic-ify it after ME3, but I am waiting to fic-ify Jessica until ME3 just to make sure I don't get Jossed.

But if things play out right, I forsee Jessica retiring to a quiet asari world with Liara, who has handed over the Shadow Broker position to Feron and Miranda (because I don't see Feron as being competent enough to handle it by his lonesome, and it seems to be just the sort of thing control-freak Miranda would love to get her hands on).  Maybe they'd end up on Thessia itself, but it would be out in the rural areas, close enough so they cold reach cities but still have some distance from crowding.  Jessica would just be incredibly tired and want to rest, and would convince LIara to enter her matron stage early and raise a family with her.  The Lazarus Project would have major implications to he galaxy, and "revenants", people who have died and been artificially reconstructed like Shepard, start slowly appearing amongs the rich and powerful, but face even worse stigma than synthetics, due to being, well, synthetic "zombies" essentially.  Shepard spends time trying to get people to accept revenants, and ends up starting a sort of religion among the asari, as the first one to come back from the dead she's held in a sort of mystical regard.  Liara works with he University of Serrice to try and locate and catalogue every bit of ancient lost technology and data in case the Reapers or something like them are still out there, so the galaxy never forgets and never is caught unprepared.  She has two daughters with Jessica, one named Ashley at Jessica's insistence, in honor of Gunnery Chief Ashley Williams.

And then of course things go all to heck, but that's reserved for the actual fic.

And I'm going to be one of your many reviewers, because that sounds....REALLY awesome, Sable. With the way you work with words, I'm sure it'll be an enthralling ride for all us femShep fans. 

I like the consideration you take with all of the things in the ME lore, like the Lazarus Project. Are you going to explain HOW it got out of Cerberus hands: leaks in information, spies, theft?  

[Sable Phoenix]

Skyline_Stanza wrote...

Sable Phoenix wrote...

JamieCOTC wrote...

Skyline_Stanza wrote...

Earth is Burning! Mass Effect 3 revealed?

Something I found while wandering around the web.Nothing too defininte, and it sheds some interesting light on what's ahead for our Shepards. Thought, I'm not sure if the release date is correct....anyway, something I'd thought I'd just pop in to share!

I guess we will know by tomorrow night.  As much as I don't want MP, I have to admit it would be interesting to see femshep imported into another game as an NPC.  That would be kind of cool in a spin-off w/ her as a human Counselor or an admiral.  This begs the question, assuming your femshep makes it through ME3, what will she do afterwards?  Will she continue to step up in rank to Captain and keep protecting the galaxy, become the next human Counselor, accept rank of admiral and fly a desk, get married and have little blue children or what? 

Oh I already have that planned out.  I'm going to fic-ify it after ME3, but I am waiting to fic-ify Jessica until ME3 just to make sure I don't get Jossed.

But if things play out right, I forsee Jessica retiring to a quiet asari world with Liara, who has handed over the Shadow Broker position to Feron and Miranda (because I don't see Feron as being competent enough to handle it by his lonesome, and it seems to be just the sort of thing control-freak Miranda would love to get her hands on).  Maybe they'd end up on Thessia itself, but it would be out in the rural areas, close enough so they cold reach cities but still have some distance from crowding.  Jessica would just be incredibly tired and want to rest, and would convince LIara to enter her matron stage early and raise a family with her.  The Lazarus Project would have major implications to he galaxy, and "revenants", people who have died and been artificially reconstructed like Shepard, start slowly appearing amongs the rich and powerful, but face even worse stigma than synthetics, due to being, well, synthetic "zombies" essentially.  Shepard spends time trying to get people to accept revenants, and ends up starting a sort of religion among the asari, as the first one to come back from the dead she's held in a sort of mystical regard.  Liara works with he University of Serrice to try and locate and catalogue every bit of ancient lost technology and data in case the Reapers or something like them are still out there, so the galaxy never forgets and never is caught unprepared.  She has two daughters with Jessica, one named Ashley at Jessica's insistence, in honor of Gunnery Chief Ashley Williams.

And then of course things go all to heck, but that's reserved for the actual fic.

And I'm going to be one of your many reviewers, because that sounds....REALLY awesome, Sable. With the way you work with words, I'm sure it'll be an enthralling ride for all us femShep fans. 

I like the consideration you take with all of the things in the ME lore, like the Lazarus Project. Are you going to explain HOW it got out of Cerberus hands: leaks in information, spies, theft?  

>cough<ShadowBroker'slover>cough<

Also Miranda Lawson was the project's head.  As the new Shadow Broker, well...

Modifié par Sable Phoenix, 11 décembre 2010 - 05:50 .

[jlb524]

That does sound awesome, Sable.