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[ELE08]

Calla S wrote...

ELE08 wrote...

Calla S wrote...
Adneate, if you were going to slag him off (even in good humor), you might've at least done it with a base of your own making. I made those for people who would actually like having him around.
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Made this for my femShep who's going through both games without an LI.

You're not the only one who feels this way, Calla.  (thx for the banner btw.)

*snip of gorgeousness*

Personally, I fail to see how being female automatically makes a character more compelling. We would still know next to nothing about random-sniper if they had a vagina.  It would have been a good trailer either way, in my opinion.  Sometimes a trailer is just a trailer. 
And a tolls a toll.  And if we don't get no tolls, we don't get no rolls...whatever.

You're very welcome, ELE. I agree with you; I don't see how adding a female character to a trailer with the same exact dialogue and action would make her any more interesting. She'd still be a no-name soldier. The fact that Big Ben's a guy doesn't make the fact that he's been holed up for days (by the looks of the medigel), picking off people on the ground, while a Reaper fleet rolls into London.

Also, I love your Men in Tights reference. Made my day.

:happy:

I mean, I do understand why people feel like the white male marine character is overdone.  But I think it's a disservice to automatically discount something because it fits into this trope.

Wanting more female representation is a bigger issue than that trailer, it's a bigger issue than Mass Effect.  Hell, it's a bigger issue than the gaming industry.  Which is why I feel like it's kind of silly to single out just one trailer like they have some kind of agenda (I know ryn's initial post wasn't in this spirit, but the topic kind of went that way.)

I do hope femshep gets more representation somewhere...but for me it's not a woman's empowerment issue  I guess is what I'm trying to say.  Not really trying to start an argument, but I was starting to feel like we were veering away from 'support femshep' and more towards 'anti-human white male' territory. 
"I should go."

[leggywillow]

Calla S wrote...

ELE08 wrote...

Personally, I fail to see how being female automatically makes a character more compelling. We would still know next to nothing about random-sniper if they had a vagina.  It would have been a good trailer either way, in my opinion.  Sometimes a trailer is just a trailer. 
And a tolls a toll.  And if we don't get no tolls, we don't get no rolls...whatever.

You're very welcome, ELE. I agree with you; I don't see how adding a female character to a trailer with the same exact dialogue and action would make her any more interesting. She'd still be a no-name soldier. The fact that Big Ben's a guy doesn't make the fact that he's been holed up for days (by the looks of the medigel), picking off people on the ground, while a Reaper fleet rolls into London.

I agree with this.  It would have been a nice place to make some kind of statement, but my enjoyment of the trailer would've been the same either way.

Plus I think he's cute.  He's got the "generic space marine" look, but he doesn't look as meathead-y as he appeared in the teaser pics.  And he sounds so familiar... Sean Bean?

Kate:  A sexy new marine-type, you say?
Joker: HEY!  No!  ME3 is my turn, damnit!
Kate:  Ah... right.  Forgot.  Sorry.

[ADLegend21]

leggywillow wrote...


Kate:  A sexy new marine-type, you say?
Joker: HEY!  No!  ME3 is my turn, damnit!
Kate:  Ah... right.  Forgot.  Sorry.

Kallen: ooo he's cute.
Miranda: *ahem*
Kallen: I mean uh, you got *aviators*
Miranda: nice save.
Kallen:

[Calla S]

Ahaha, poor Joker! Yeah, I think he's really cute, too. He's clearly a marine-type, but he's not beefed up ala Gears of War. He's a sniper, which puts him apart from the assault rifle wielding horde. Plus, dat voice. Dat voice. He's not grunting or growling (only when he jabs himself with the medigel), either. I have the feeling there could be a lot more to him than people are assuming. Should he be in ME3 as a squaddie/potential LI, I would not be angry.

That said, if he is, I've already got a single Shep. Whoever's introduced in the last segment may very well be taking on the task of relieving Hope of whatever sexual frustration's built up over remaining single through ME1 and ME2.

"Why is this hair in my eye? Ugh, get it out!"

[ADLegend21]

Calla S wrote...

That said, if he is, I've already got a single Shep. Whoever's introduced in the last segment may very well be taking on the task of relieving Hope of whatever sexual frustration's built up over remaining single through ME1 and ME2.

Same for my Angela Shep. someone's going to get roughed up between the sheets with that one.
I really do pity the foo'

[ELE08]

ADLegend21 wrote...

Calla S wrote...

That said, if he is, I've already got a single Shep. Whoever's introduced in the last segment may very well be taking on the task of relieving Hope of whatever sexual frustration's built up over remaining single through ME1 and ME2.

Same for my Angela Shep. someone's going to get roughed up between the sheets with that one.
I really do pity the foo'

I wonder if they will even be adding new love interests in ME3.

I guess I'd be okay having a 'single' femshep in all three games.  My current one was single in ME1 and I'm not liking anyone in ME2 for her that much... 
That's what fanfic/fanart is for.  I'll just have to make something up after ME3. 
With the Power of Imaaaginaaation:wizard:

[arbington]

Just swinging by to say this. I support this thread, FemShep, and what she stands for for female gamers. I'm a big fan of equality, and FemShep is a good example of it. I personally don't have a FemShep profile (I'm going with just my main Shep until I beat the series with him), but I acknowledge her awesomeness, and see her as a good step forward for female gamers.

[ADLegend21]

ELE08 wrote...

I wonder if they will even be adding new love interests in ME3.

I guess I'd be okay having a 'single' femshep in all three games.  My current one was single in ME1 and I'm not liking anyone in ME2 for her that much... 
That's what fanfic/fanart is for.  I'll just have to make something up after ME3. 
With the Power of Imaaaginaaation:wizard:

 imaaaginaaation for a certain, to quote you, "silver fox" ?

[jwalker]

ELE08 wrote...

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Personally, I fail to see how being female automatically makes a character more compelling. We would still know next to nothing about random-sniper if they had a vagina.  It would have been a good trailer either way, in my opinion.  Sometimes a trailer is just a trailer. 
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And out of faireness, I fail to see how being a male automatically  makes a character more compelling either.

"A good trailer either way".... exactly.

And then, Bioware, having the opportunity of making a good trailer with a female, they choose again, one more time, making a trailer with a tough bad-ass blah blah male. Ryn said "a dozen" times. I guess she hasn't played that many games.

For me, it just looks like sheploo's spin-off.

Modifié par jwalker, 13 décembre 2010 - 01:17 .

[syllogi]

rynluna wrote...

I guess I'm just really tired of seeing the same faces in gaming.  FemShep is a fresh breath of air and so would have a woman in that trailer.  Sheploo still gets his glory at the end of the trailer but the female sniper could have been given hers.  I don't see how the targeted male audience wouldn't enjoy seeing a female sniper?  I think there would have been more buzz over the cool, headshot-taking, female, marine.

We can only hope that we will see more positive roles for females in Bioware's future marketing.  Ashley was a nice step forward but Miri zipping her catsuit down in promos before ME2, was like two steps back. 

I totally get what you mean.  Even a male person of color would have been a nice change of pace.  Seeing that first teaser pic turned me off before it became clear that it was for ME3, because that dude just looked like an amalgam of all the generic white dudes we see in modern video games.

There's still hope for the future, but yeah, we're still in a tiny minority when it comes to being represented in video game marketing.

[JamieCOTC]

arbington wrote...

Just swinging by to say this. I support this thread, FemShep, and what she stands for for female gamers. I'm a big fan of equality, and FemShep is a good example of it. I personally don't have a FemShep profile (I'm going with just my main Shep until I beat the series with him), but I acknowledge her awesomeness, and see her as a good step forward for female gamers.

Thanks, Arbington! 

[ADLegend21]

back to Femshep news, I jsut downloaded all the DLC for the PC version of ME2 so ther'll be new Kallen screenies!!!!! =D

[Skyline_Stanza]

ADLegend21 wrote...

back to Femshep news, I jsut downloaded all the DLC for the PC version of ME2 so ther'll be new Kallen screenies!!!!! =D

Lucky! I'm still a bare-bones ME2 player until there's some kind of retail version for all of the DLC somewhere in the future.

But I always look foreward to seeing new screens of any femShep.  

[NanQuan]

rynluna wrote...

Lots of great art in here.  Hell, I might even make my own. 

I'm going to get some flack for this, but I really think Bioware missed a good opportunity with their teaser trailer.  I highly doubt that FemShep will ever get to be in her own trailer.  Bioware is gaga for their supermodel posterboy and that's not going to change.  This is what I'm going to get flack for:

The Big Ben Sniper should have been female.

Now, I know some people have a crush on the guy and that's great.  But, it was a missed opportunity for Bioware to finally showcase a woman in their promotions and instead they went with the white, tough guy marine that we have seen a dozen times over in other video games.  Hell, that's who Sheploo is.  Am I the only one who thinks it would have been so epic to see a woman aiming down her sniper reticule?  A woman stabbing herself in the leg with medigel?  A woman voicing, "Don't know what they are?  What they came for..."

Sigh. 

You know, I didn't think about it before you said something, but you're right. It is a missed opportunity. The british dude is fine, but he is the dominant ideology - like you said, white, male marine.  It would have been refreshing to see a strong female character (instead of an oversexualized Miranda - the only dominant female presence in ads). Even more so, they could have done anything else to make a progressive step without any effort on their part. A minority ethnicity perhaps? It would not have cost them anything more and it wouldn't have hurt them in "sales" like they think marketing with femshep would.  This is a missed opportunity because they got stuck in the dominant ideology. A shame to see.

[Scooter79rs]

I think it also goes with their target market, the majority of gamers are men, especially for action games like ME and its safer to go with the majority of your target market then the minority. But then again I seem to be one of the few straight guys out there that doesn't find Megan Fox attractive :/

At least the Big Ben Sniper wasn't an American guy so at least it wasn't 100% cliche, I consider the American Marine type the most cliche thing when it comes to this sort of thing.



But using the power of magic, I finally got high-res textures back into ME1

[arbington]

Yeah, Big Ben is somewhat cliche, but he's not a total letdown. Sure, Big Benjamina would've been nice, but there are likely many more ME3 trailers for a female character. Hopefully a non-oversexualized character. One Miranda is enough.

[Dengarde]

Could be worse. The trailer could have been in New York or Washington DC.



I kind of wish is was Australia though. (Australian accents are hot)

[JamieCOTC]

Well, everyone else is doing it ...

[Scooter79rs]

Dengarde wrote...

Could be worse. The trailer could have been in New York or Washington DC.

I kind of wish is was Australia though. (Australian accents are hot)

You called? I hear Aussie accents everyday But I guess the whole accent thing depends where you are, I don't notice the Aussie accents (Being Australian doesn't help) and I barely notice the British accents.

@JamieCOTC, thats pretty good.

Modifié par Scooter79rs, 13 décembre 2010 - 03:43 .

[ELE08]

JamieCOTC wrote...

Well, everyone else is doing it ...

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This looks great!

[thompsmt]

I must say the picture manipulations everyone has done of putting their FemShep in place on the ME3 trailer are very cool.

Also, I'm suffering through playing DudeShep right now.  I might have to open up one of my FemSheps after I'm done just because I'm finding it weird.

Modifié par thompsmt, 13 décembre 2010 - 03:51 .

[Sable Phoenix]

JamieCOTC wrote...

Well, everyone else is doing it ...

Holy crap that is awesome.  Look at those eyes.

Is that from when she jumps off the ship during the suicide mission?

Modifié par Sable Phoenix, 13 décembre 2010 - 03:53 .

[mellifera]

Dengarde wrote...

Could be worse. The trailer could have been in New York or Washington DC.

I kind of wish is was Australia though. (Australian accents are hot)

As a native New Yorker, I'll thank London for taking one for the team. Though It would be an honor for my apartment to be destroyed in the Mass Effect universe (assuming it would still be standing xD)

[JamieCOTC]

@ Sable - Thanks!  It's from LotSB, when Shep first enters base the final face off w/ the SB.

Edit: I was tempted to add "War.  War never changes." in the left corner. 

Modifié par JamieCOTC, 13 décembre 2010 - 04:10 .