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[Cyansomnia]

leggywillow wrote...
Renegades aren't necessarily mustache-twirling villains like the bad guy option in so many other games.  In so many games, the good/evil options really do boil down to Mother Teresa saintliness or a baby-eating Hitler.  Mass Effect successfully avoids that for the most part, IMO.

Overall, they do accomplish this.  Some of the Renegade options made me cringe, though.  Not so much as cold-hearted murderer, but some of the lines are just completely out of left field.  They made me go "Damn, what an ignorant *ss!" when I heard them.  Doesn't help the dialogue wheel is vague.

I don't see why you can't be a bad*ss, but be intelligent about it.  That's what I tried to accomplish with Moira, which ended up being a Renegon alignment.  I don't mean to knock on Renegade, a lot of it is cool.  Just some of it... can't stand.

Never had the cringe reaction with Paragon lines.  What I dislike about Renegade stuff in general is they try to intertwine it with an anti-alien attitude.  I don't like that.  So, I avoid those lines like the plague with Moira.  She doesn't hate aliens (her boyfriend is a turian).

Modifié par Aislinn Trista, 27 décembre 2010 - 07:19 .

[Chignon]

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Which is exactly why I never play as pure Paragon or Renegade - some of the options are either too naive and self-righteous, others too ignorant and stupid.

[Cyansomnia]

Exactly, Chignon.

Never had an absolutely pure Paragon, either. There's always a tad of Renegade in there.

Modifié par Aislinn Trista, 27 décembre 2010 - 07:26 .

[Chignon]

By the way, Aislinn, I took a look through your albums and found this picture of Holly:



It's gorgeous!

[Cyansomnia]

Thanks, I'm very fond of that picture. I'd say it's Holly's 'iconic' photo.

[Chignon]

I agree with Les, Aislinn - your Shepard all look very unique. Evan and Noah look a bit too much alike. I've been thinking about changing Evan's looks a bit but I don't know. /:

Modifié par Chignon, 27 décembre 2010 - 07:45 .

[ELE08]

leggywillow wrote...

Re: Renegade/Paragon

I'm really happy about how Bioware managed the Renegade.  Usually I NEVER take bad guy options because they just make me feel too bad, but in ME my more Renegade characters are some of my favorites.  Evie's Renegade bar is 100% full (with her Paragon bar about 15%) and she still feels like a realistic (if ruthless) character.  Renegades aren't necessarily mustache-twirling villains like the bad guy option in so many other games.  In so many games, the good/evil options really do boil down to Mother Teresa saintliness or a baby-eating Hitler.  Mass Effect successfully avoids that for the most part, IMO.

I think the system could be better, but for the most part I agree.  Mass Effect is literally the only game I've ever been able to enjoy playing the "bad guy" because it's possible to be almost entirely renegade and not feel like an evil bastard.

I would say choosing 100% bottom dialogue makes Shep a cruel and sadistic person, which is where I think people who think renegade Shep is evil get hung up.  Being rude and cruel to your crew for example, is not renegade.  It's there as an option because there always needs to be a top middle and bottom dialogue and if someone wants to RP a total a-hole they can.  But you can still be professional or even understanding with your crew and still get every intimidate in the game.  Renegade Shep for me = success at all costs.  Undermining your crew is not renegade it's just being an a-hole.  Getting your crew killed because you didn't do their loyalty mission isn't renegade it's just stupid.  

In the same vein, the really distasteful acts like taking Talitha out with the sniper or getting Gianna and Anoleis to kill each other are things I also never do in a full renegade playthrough.  Because both can be accomplished using intimidate options.  Again, I feel like the really unpleasant outcomes are just there for flavor, because sometimes it's fun to do the stupid evil thing.

I don't like how ME2 ties together the persuade and alignment mechanics though because it means to get the difficult persuades one has to consistently choose one side or the other, so I miss out because I like a lot of the neutral dialogue, or maybe my renegade Shep really hates Cerberus and gives David to the Alliance.  Which is why my current PT I'm using Gibbed to cheat both paragon and renegade scores so I can pick and choose based on how I think Shep would react not based on game mechanics (I don't see why a paragon Shepard can't use her SPECTRE status to get Kelham to talk.)

I've played both paragon and renegade and I enjoy aspects of both.

I just started a new paragon soldier Shep for an insanity playthrough: Rhona Shepard.

[Chignon]

LesEnfantsTerribles wrote...

Nah, I think that Evan should retain her current appearance. She looks great!

What I love about Noah is her elfin looks, which is such a wonderful and interesting contrast to her Renegon personality. She's very well designed!

Thanks, Les. But I still think they look too similiar:





Or it's just me.

Modifié par Chignon, 27 décembre 2010 - 07:49 .

[Mr.Vakarian]

LesEnfantsTerribles wrote...

Chignon wrote...

I agree with, Les. Evan and Noah look a bit too much alike. I've been thinking about changing Evan's looks a bit but I don't know. /:

Nah, I think that Evan should retain her current appearance. She looks great!

What I love about Noah is her elfin looks, which is such a wonderful and interesting contrast to her Renegon personality. She's very well designed!

I'll second that!      Both are equally unique.

[ADLegend21]

Chignon wrote...

Thanks, Les. But I still think they look too similiar:





Or it's just me.

Now that I get a good look at them both at hte same time, they do look like they're sisters.

[Mr.Vakarian]

ELE08 wrote...
I just started a new paragon soldier Shep for an insanity playthrough: Rhona Shepard.

....oh, wow ELE.......wow. 

She is...captivating to say the very least!    Those eyes......

You keep "raising the bar" with every new Shep you create!

Modifié par Mr.Vakarian, 27 décembre 2010 - 07:57 .

[ELE08]

ADLegend21 wrote...

Chignon wrote...

Thanks, Les. But I still think they look too similiar:

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Or it's just me.

Now that I get a good look at them both at hte same time, they do look like they're sisters.

Nah, more like cousins

They share the same face shape which I recognize as particular to Chignon's Sheps, other than that they look like distinct characters. I don't think I would change anything.

[ELE08]

Mr.Vakarian wrote...

ELE08 wrote...
I just started a new paragon soldier Shep for an insanity playthrough: Rhona Shepard.
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....oh, wow ELE.......wow. 

She is...captivating to say the very least!    Those eyes......

You keep "raising the bar" with every new Shep you create!

Thanks Mr.V! You are too kind. I think she looks very much like most of my other femSheps, well, there's a reason I make them all look the same! Still...she took me forever to get just right.

Looking very pale under SR2 lighting



Another one from Lazarus station

Modifié par ELE08, 27 décembre 2010 - 08:07 .

[Sialater]

She's gorgeous. And I love her makeup coloring. If Meghan had blush that subtle, I wouldn't have had to remake her in ME2.

[JamieCOTC]

@ ELE - She's beautiful. And I have to agree w/ you on the renegade. ME2 plays so much better if you mix it up, yet ME2 penalizes the player for doing that.

[ELE08]

Sialater wrote...

She's gorgeous. And I love her makeup coloring. If Meghan had blush that subtle, I wouldn't have had to remake her in ME2.

Thank you.  And ME2 blush.  I have discovered it's possible to tone down blush on an imported character using Gibbed editor.  Under scalar parameters you can adjust the intensity by changing the "1" to a smaller number.

[Tup3x]

Chignon wrote...

LesEnfantsTerribles wrote...

Nah, I think that Evan should retain her current appearance. She looks great!

What I love about Noah is her elfin looks, which is such a wonderful and interesting contrast to her Renegon personality. She's very well designed!

Thanks, Les. But I still think they look too similiar:

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Or it's just me.

It's the lips.



I'll just drop these in...

Modifié par Tup3xi, 27 décembre 2010 - 08:14 .

[ELE08]

Tup3xi wrote...

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Nice one.

[Sialater]

ELE08 wrote...

Sialater wrote...

She's gorgeous. And I love her makeup coloring. If Meghan had blush that subtle, I wouldn't have had to remake her in ME2.

Thank you.  And ME2 blush.  I have discovered it's possible to tone down blush on an imported character using Gibbed editor.  Under scalar parameters you can adjust the intensity by changing the "1" to a smaller number.

Can't.  I've got the 360.  Ah well.  If I hadn't removed the blush, I wouldn't have her face code.

[ADLegend21]

Wow ELE, all of your sheps look amazing. I wish I could figure out how to use Textmod and make my sheps wear the old me1 armors.

Modifié par ADLegend21, 27 décembre 2010 - 08:21 .

[Chignon]

Thanks, guys - I guess you're right and I'll leave Evan alone. (;

And I have to agree. Ele managed to outdo herself again with Rhona. Did you modify Lena's texmod for her?

Modifié par Chignon, 27 décembre 2010 - 08:29 .

[Tup3x]

ELE08 wrote...

Tup3xi wrote...

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Nice one.

That light was coming form the right direction for that shot. It's nice that you can basically hide the whole HUD in ME1 (except hazard/timing boxes) with ToggleHUD.