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[mellifera]

JamieCOTC wrote...

cgrimm54 wrote...

I'd have to go with the paragon approach.  Garrus really falls off the deep end when it comes to Sidonis.  The line where Shep says "This isn't like you, Garrus," is the one that most stands out to me.  

Liara romance not withstanding, the Shep and Garrus car scene is my favorite in the whole game.  It adds depth to each character and comes off more as a conversation among two friends (or peers) than any other in the game. 

UJ has a "save the world" complex (don't know how she go that ) that seems to carry over into her personal life. 

Yeah, Adele too. Part of being a Colonist/SS, eh? 

Modifié par yukidama, 04 janvier 2011 - 01:40 .

[ELE08]

Aislinn Trista wrote...

I always get this feeling of dread watching Garrus spiral down during this loyalty mission. It was really hard for me personally to let Moira stand by as he killed Sidonis.

After trying both, I prefer the paragon solution.  The "black and white" conversation afterwards actually made me tear up a little bit, with Shep's lines about the lines between good and evil blurring when it's people you know.  Garrus killing Sidonis doesn't match up with my idea of the "good" renegade, I guess.  He wasn't exacting justice, so much as consumed with vengeance.  I didn't stop him to save Sidonis, I did it to save Garrus.  I still let him shoot Harkin though...

That was with Rhona; Teagan let him shoot him, but she has a cynical outlook on the world.  I didn't feel bad really--I didn't feel much of anything.  It's pretty business as usual for a ruthless renegade.  I think the perspective does change depending on how each character approaches it, so I don't feel like either way is right or wrong.

I personally really like the paragon version because of the depth.  Rhona actually renegaded Garrus in ME1 but felt like this "wasn't him."  Only if there's no other options.  You have options.

Too OT?



I finished all the sidequests today...now I don't know what to do with myself.  No more Mass Effect!  And I'm in an creative slump.  Maybe I'll go read the new book.  Yarrgh.

[Cyansomnia]

@ELE

No more gorgeous Sheps? Noooooo!

I agree with you completely about Garrus. Just doesn't fit him at all to let him walk that path. I seem to recall how he mentioned his father was afraid he'd end up like Saren. I always hear those words in my head when playing through that mission.

Modifié par Aislinn Trista, 04 janvier 2011 - 01:56 .

[Vanguard1219]

*sighs* Oh boy, Garrus...

First off, I can throw out the phrases "evil counterpart" or "not so different" in relation to Morgan in regards to a lot of characters. Saren, Vasir, Deandra (that one requires some explaining) and so on, but with Garrus the similarities are a lot more direct. Both grew up in service families, both followed in their families footsteps and following the fallout left in Saren's wake both became extremely disillusioned in jaded in regards to their respective institutions that they had served oh so loyally.

Morgan and Garrus are, in a nutshell, the same person. Give or take a difference here or there. With Garrus it's impossible for her to let him kill Sidonis and cross the line into darkness, not just for her friend's sake. Like so many other characters Morgan sees a lot of herself in Garrus, and just like how others like Saren eventually crossed the moral event horizon and became something abhorrent both Garrus and Morgan (as a paragade) walk that line every day by the time ME2 has rolled around.

Morgan is well aware what kind of monster she could become if she just... let's go. During the entire arc of Garrus's loyalty mission she saw a lot of what's she's bottling up inside coming to the surface in Garrus, and frankly it scared her. She pulled Garrus back from the brink, hoping that if the time ever comes she'll have the strength to save herself, too.

... wow, that kind of just, I don't know, "came out" as I was writing it.

Modifié par Vanguard1219, 04 janvier 2011 - 01:57 .

[ELE08]

Oh here's a question. How does femshep wearing makeup affect your suspension of disbelief? I've thought about it, and on one hand I wouldn't expect someone like femshep to wear any makeup on a day to day basis (I don't even wear makeup and I'm hardly out in the elements and combat like femshep.) On the other though, I think femshep, within the confines of the game, looks better "done up" so to say. Using the no eyeliner option looks kind of mutant to me.

So I guess, if I could make a femshep that I liked w/o makeup I would. But I haven't been able to in Mass Effect.

Sooo, I like to theorize since it's the future we have magical space-makeup that you only have to apply once a month and it always looks perfect. SPECTRE makeup. For that fresh look, all the time, everytime *wink*

@Aislinn: You think my Sheps are gorgeous?! Teehee. Anyways, I think I have made enough femsheps for one lifetime. And decision-wise Rhona is just about canon-perfect. I finally just cheated my paragon-renegade points so I didn't have to metagame my decisions, so playing the game with her was pretty organic, I just did whatever I would have done in the situation. It's the first thing I'm gonna import to ME3. I just hope her eye color transfers over

[Chignon]

ELE08 wrote...

 Using the no eyeliner option looks kind of mutant to me.

You made Noah sad, Ele.

[Cyansomnia]

@ELE

Yes, your FemSheps are gorgeous. And I will be a sad panda if I don't see any more. Even if it's just pictures of the ones you already have.

Well, I tend to create all my Sheps with minimal makeup anyway. I always pick the plain or glossy pink lip, the lightest blush, etc. I give them the black eyeliner, though, because they look strange to me without it. I tried the brown on Holly, but it just wasn't enough I guess.

I could see a few of my Sheps wearing makeup, though. Moira is quite vain, so she'd be in the bathroom applying it every morning. Haha. Constance wears a little (she does have the red eyeshadow), mainly because she probably feels naked without it.  Aislinn would wear just a tad, to emphasize her already nice looks.

Holly doesn't do makeup, really.  Neither does MacKenzie.

ELE08 wrote...
Sooo, I like to theorize since it's the future we have magical space-makeup that you only have to apply once a month and it always looks perfect. SPECTRE makeup. For that fresh look, all the time, everytime *wink*

I wish they'd invent this now.  NOW!  Hahaha.  I also wanted to say I mod my Paragon/Renegade points ALL the time.  I want to be able to tailor each of my Sheps decisions to my liking.

EDIT:
I hope Moira will be able to transfer over.  She has her vanilla look in ME1 if that fails.

Modifié par Aislinn Trista, 04 janvier 2011 - 02:31 .

[adneate]

ELE08 wrote...
Oh here's a question. How does femshep wearing makeup affect your suspension of disbelief?

It's not super realistic but that being said Shepard isn't regular infantry, she doesn't spend weeks in the field without a shower or a hot meal. She just kinda pops down blows things up and then leaves at the end of the day, so if she was so inclined I'm sure she could find some time to put on some make-up. Probably makes persusasion a bit easier if nothing else.

[Shadow_Soul]

Re: Romances

I have don't have any Sheps but Lili and Athena, only seen the others thanks to my friend, who has a Shep for every LI, or soon will....



@Aislinn

I love you fanfic with Holly and Thane. Very nicely done.



Also with the paragon interrupt on Garrus' loyalty mission, Lili let him beat the sh!t out of Harkin, and also let him kill Sidonis. She trusts him and thinks that her team can make their own choices. Athena will do the same.

[TheMarshal]

ELE08 wrote...

Oh here's a question. How does femshep wearing makeup affect your suspension of disbelief? I've thought about it, and on one hand I wouldn't expect someone like femshep to wear any makeup on a day to day basis (I don't even wear makeup and I'm hardly out in the elements and combat like femshep.) On the other though, I think femshep, within the confines of the game, looks better "done up" so to say. Using the no eyeliner option looks kind of mutant to me.
So I guess, if I could make a femshep that I liked w/o makeup I would. But I haven't been able to in Mass Effect.
Sooo, I like to theorize since it's the future we have magical space-makeup that you only have to apply once a month and it always looks perfect. SPECTRE makeup. For that fresh look, all the time, everytime *wink*
@Aislinn: You think my Sheps are gorgeous?! Teehee. Anyways, I think I have made enough femsheps for one lifetime. And decision-wise Rhona is just about canon-perfect. I finally just cheated my paragon-renegade points so I didn't have to metagame my decisions, so playing the game with her was pretty organic, I just did whatever I would have done in the situation. It's the first thing I'm gonna import to ME3. I just hope her eye color transfers over

The way I've head-conned the makeup thing for my femshep (eyeliner/shadow only) is that she wears it because any more and nobody would take her seriously, any less and she'd feel like she just wasn't trying.  (Plus a little sex appeal never hurt anyone!)

The way I figure, there are already options for permanent makeup today (tattoos and the like), so I imagine that 150+ years into the future there'd be a wide variety of long-lasting makeup options available for the savvy Spectre on the go!


(Also, how do you guys get a custom image for your userpic?)

[Cyansomnia]

@Chignon

You're just so talented that Noah looks amazing without makeup.

Modifié par Aislinn Trista, 04 janvier 2011 - 02:36 .

[mellifera]

Aislinn Trista wrote...
Well, I tend to create all my Sheps with minimal makeup anyway. I always pick the plain or glossy pink lip, the lightest blush, etc. I give them the black eyeliner, though, because they look strange to me without it. I tried the brown on Holly, but it just wasn't enough I guess.

Yeah, the only reason all my Sheps have the same eyeliner is because of this. With the darker skin tones, the more minimal styles work well, but if you're playing pale characters it rarely looks right. I wish the texture around the eyes were more defined and realistically colored, especially with how the eyelashes are. They all take the time to apply eyeliner and mascara, I guess.

[Chignon]

Aislinn Trista wrote...

@Chignon

You're just so talented that Noah looks amazing without makeup.

Thank you, Aislinn.

[jwalker]

Chignon wrote...

Garrus is a big boy - he should be able to decide for himself what is good for him and what is not. That's how Noah sees it, at least.

I don't think is a matter of Garrus being a big boy or not. An assassination hit in one of the most populated areas of the Citadel ? Renegade or not, It's stupid.
Do you trust Garrus enough to make that perfect shot and not to kill you ? or not kill an innocent bystander ? What's the big picture there ? Why take such risks ? Garrus was wronged ? Big deal.
He's a big boy. "Take the shuttle and let me know when you're done" That'd be my ideal choice. In one of my first runs with Abby, she left him take the shot, but that will change. The next will be the closest thing to my ideal. She will talk Garrus down, just because there isn't a better choice.

Calla S wrote...

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Proof that even the renegadiest of renegades smiles sometimes. Part of me wishes she didn't have her visor on for it, but then it'd probably be less cute, more creepy.

Your shep is wearing that just for looks, right ? Because that piece of junk doesn't work, it doesn't give the CD bonus is supposed to....

[Sandtigress]

For Anelle the brown worked really well, as long as she has eyelashes >.>



Looking awful without them





But with, it looks nice and natural-ish and you can't even see it except for the subtle emphasis on the eyes. It's just the spider-eyelashes then. :-P Poor slums-born Shepard had no mommy to teach her how to put make-up on right!

[Chignon]

jwalker wrote...

I don't think is a matter of Garrus being a big boy or not. An assassination hit in one of the most populated areas of the Citadel ? Renegade or not, It's stupid.
Do you trust Garrus enough to make that perfect shot and not to kill you ? or not kill an innocent bystander ? What's the big picture there ? Why take such risks ? Garrus was wronged ? Big deal.
He's a big boy. "Take the shuttle and let me know when you're done" That'd be my ideal choice. In one of my first runs with Abby, she left him take the shot, but that will change. The next will be the closest thing to my ideal. She will talk Garrus down, just because there isn't a better choice.

I don't think this is the right thread to discuss Garrus's loyalty mission in such detail. I only explained the reasoning behind my Shepard's decision to let him take the shot and why she thinks he doesn't need to be "saved". If you want to discuss your question further, we can gladly take it to PM.

Modifié par Chignon, 04 janvier 2011 - 03:36 .

[leggywillow]

Captain Crash wrote...

leggywillow wrote...

::pic snip::

Oh I like!!   I love the pics of multiple femsheps in.  Actually If you find another 6 femsheps (three each side) then you could create a really awesome wallpaper!  

Oh lord, I can't imagine having 6 more FemSheps.   It feels like a zoo as it is.    It could be a cute compilation of FemSheps from the thread, though... although skilled people like ELE have made way better compilations than just me piddling around on Photobucket.  

[Bourne Endeavor]

Aislinn Trista wrote...

I'm jealous, too. If I could draw
or paint, or photo manip... I'd have so much fan art you wouldn't
believe. Just gotta settle for my imagination and what I can get away
with in videos. But I love looking at the art people post. It's so
wonderful.

I cannot count the number of times I have made this exact statement. It does not help my imagination is so ridiculously vivid, that should I so much as think of something. It will appear in a highly detailed form. So of a double edged sword that though. Suffice it to say... horror flicks are an interesting watch. As of this moment I have this entirely animated intro-esque video stuck in my head of Femshep demonstrating the potential of each respective class in a slew of destructive carnage. Start of with one class and switch to the other whilst continuing the fight. Couple that with a new concept design I had of class evolution: Soldier has dual-wield SMGs, Vanguard has phasing Charge (Read: Pass through an enemy and shoot them from behind), Infiltrator has a homing shot (bullets pierces through the enemy's head and hits a second target if within range) and yeah... I wish to high heavens I could animate this but such is far beyond my scope of talent.

I am stuck learning the mechanics behind computers and games (or will be in time), not designing the pretty pictures. Fanfiction is my alternative, at least once i get a groove going. It is a different style of writing than I am accustom to. I usually stick to novelistic and large amount of narrative verse ample dialogue.

I also knew the moment ELE mentioned Spectre makeup someone was going to demand it be invented immediately, xD. Upon that subject. I concede to using eyeliner and such for all my Femsheps because I cannot stand the look otherwise. The notion it gives the appearance of a strange mutation is not entirely inaccurate. That said, I am impressed you managed to bypass that hurdle Noah, Chig. It may not be my preference but you made a good looking Femshep with something I had written off as impossible. Therefore again, I am impressed.

******
In regards to Garrus' exchange with Sidonis. Keira concludes it his own decision and not her place to intercede. Betrayal warrants swift execution and she holds little qualms in enacting it. Coincidently, they are far more alike in this regard as Keira displays similar blind vengeance upon any confrontation with Batarians. I even have her story citing Garrus questioning her state of mind during the events of Bring Down the Sky due to a noticeable insinuation she derived enjoyment is slowly shooting Balak. Their switch of roles leads Keira to ultimately say, "Do whatever you want. You just better be certain you can live with it."

I dunno, I liked that idea of a role switch and ran with it when I made her.

The Shepards certainly do take on a persona all their own if you allow the mind to wonder. Keira has develop far more diversely than her original concept would have entailed. Complexity is a beautiful thing.

... and I think I may have rambled on a bit too much. Oh well.

Modifié par Bourne Endeavor, 04 janvier 2011 - 03:38 .

[leggywillow]

Oops, double post.  My bad!

Modifié par leggywillow, 04 janvier 2011 - 03:40 .

[ELE08]

Chignon wrote...

ELE08 wrote...

 Using the no eyeliner option looks kind of mutant to me.

You made Noah sad, Ele.

lovely snip

Doh! Of course Noah is the exception to the rule, as I've said before she is adorable (and I'm not just saying this because she would break my knees.)
I stick by my personal experience though, I've never been able to make a Shep that looks good sans eye makeup, and that's hardly your fault.

Aislinn Trista wrote...

And I will be a sad panda if I don't see any more. Even if it's just pictures of the ones you already have.

Oh, I have plenty of those...

Sandtigress wrote...
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She's pretty! And looks very natural.

[Shadow_Soul]

Another Lili/Garrus fanfic. Now to get started on the Liara/Jane  ones....
Link: http://social.biowar...631/blog/12636/ 

[NanQuan]

Chignon wrote...

Garrus is a big boy - he should be able to decide for himself what is good for him and what is not. That's how Noah sees it, at least.

Oh that's how I view it too, but the paragon path is just better written. I like to see character arcs. If you let Garrus shoot Sidonis then there's no change. I want intrigue.

[Chignon]

I doubt there will be a "change" in ME3 based on his LM - BioWare had a chance at that in ME2 and they blew it. You might get a message, though.

Modifié par Chignon, 04 janvier 2011 - 04:34 .

[Cyansomnia]

Chignon wrote...

I doubt there will be a "change" in ME3 based on his LM - BioWare had a chance at that in ME2 and they blew it. You might get a message, though.

Ugh, I really hope they don't do a lot of that in ME3.  I did like getting some of the letters from people Holly helped, though. Like Talitha, one of the survivors from Aeia, Kate Bowman...

The weird/funny one from the salarian in the Dantius Tower gave me a good chuckle, too.

Modifié par Aislinn Trista, 04 janvier 2011 - 04:40 .