42753 réponses à ce sujet

[Shadow_Soul]

My try at bad*ss. Tell me what you think of it...

[Crunchyinmilk]

Why is it noir?
You couldn't pick a 'genre' more anti female-protagonist than noir. Noir films are littered with and some would argue defined by male protagonists struggling with/failing to fit in with their changing societal role and suffering (terribly) for any attempt to avoid it. Some of the best noir films ever are about empowered women making mincemeat of hapless males unable to adapt/keep up.

And yes, Jennifer Hale's voice work is several orders of magnitude better than Mark Meer's!

I often see this quoted categorically and am guilty of doing it myself in the past, but I have come to disagree. They each have their strong lines/moments. Meer absolutely nails the lines in the Shadow Broker DLC whereas I didn't react nearly as well to Hale.

RE: playing opposite gendered characters...

As a male myself, I find it difficult to play wide-ranged male characters.  I tend to identify with them a bit and they end up reflecting my own morals/foibles.

Playing as female Shepard lets me explore extremes of character more easily.  Its easier to treat them as characters in their own story and make decisions/choices appropriate to their character if they differ wildly from choices I'd make for myself.

I would never have explored the Garrus romance even if it was offered as a same sex option for example, but playing as femshep I was still able to see that content.

Modifié par Crunchyinmilk, 11 janvier 2011 - 06:30 .

[Mr.Vakarian]

sagequeen wrote...
it's good to stop in and say "hi." real life has been keeping me far away from the computer, but i had a moment to upload pics from the last time i played.  kyrie says "hi," too. you know, in a sort of paragrade way.

Glad to see you back again .....even if it is just a brief visit.

Maddy is sure glad to see you and Kyrie back


She doesn't smile often...but your captions got her to crack a little one

Modifié par Mr.Vakarian, 11 janvier 2011 - 06:15 .

[Cyansomnia]

Crunchyinmilk wrote...

Why is it noir?
You couldn't pick a 'genre' more anti female-protagonist than noir. Noir films are littered with and some would argue defined by male protagonists struggling with/failing to fit in with their changing societal role and suffering (terribly) for any attempt to avoid it. Some of the best noir films ever are about empowered women making mincemeat of hapless males unable to adapt/keep up.

Is that directed at me?  If so...

Yes, a lot of noir films feature a femme fatale. classic noir is famous for this, as well as it's black and white visual style.  That doesn't mean it can't be adapted to something outside the usual cookie-cutter formula.  Modern noir has quite a few strong females (that aren't always villains).  It's a broad term, used to reference stylish films... films that are usually sexualized and have a cynical attitude.

I believe I captured the cynical rather well in the beginning, followed by the sexy in the second half.  

I don't see why it can't be noir and have a female protagonist.  Who ever accomplished anything interesting or new by following the rules?

EDIT:
If you'd like to discuss it further, send me a PM.  Don't want to derail the thread if possible.

Modifié par Aislinn Trista, 11 janvier 2011 - 07:10 .

[JamieCOTC]

This is my first video ever. Unfortunately it's only in wmv format, so I'm not sure how many will be able to see it.  The first few minutes of Mass Effect 1 w/ also sprach zarathustra in the background.  Enjoy, if you can. 



Mass Effect 2001

Note: I tried putting it on Youtube, but the sound was cut out.  I also tried converting it to an avi, but it converted it to a 2 GB file.  Oh well. 

[Cyansomnia]

@Jamie

I liked it! It made me smile.

Modifié par Aislinn Trista, 11 janvier 2011 - 06:34 .

[Vralenalien]

Aislinn Trista wrote...

 All right, here it is:

FemShep Noir - The Hard Goodbye

That was great video Aislinn! Really loved the second part of it.

[Crunchyinmilk]

Aislinn Trista wrote...
Noir is a film style.  Yes, a lot of noir films feature a femme fatale. classic noir is famous for this, as well as it's black and white visual style.  That doesn't mean it can't be adapted to something outside the usual cookie-cutter formula.

Noir is all about depicting depression and anxiety with incredibly sexy & powerful visuals.  The story tropes are just as, if not more important than the visual style.  The formula is critical.

I don't see why it can't be noir and have a female protagonist.  Who ever accomplished anything interesting or new by following the rules?

Mildred Pierce springs to mind as classic noir film that has a female as typical noir protagonist.  A housewife hard done by her philandering husband and catty daughter who rather than accept it, tries to break free and live life for herself.  Society wont let her. Empowered women in noir who come out ahead in the end aren't often the protagonists.  

I guess I can see similarities between Bridget Gregory in The Last Seduction and renegade Femshep.  But I'd only be satisfied if at the end of the renegade story arc, she can blow up/away her misguided helpers and make off like a selfish bandit. In fact I would love that...

Modifié par Crunchyinmilk, 11 janvier 2011 - 07:18 .

[Cyansomnia]

Crunchyinmilk wrote...

Noir is all about depicting depression and anxiety with incredibly sexy & powerful visuals.

Which was exactly what I was trying to do in my video.  Especially the first half.  

Anyway, I don't think it's appropriate to debate what is or isn't 'noir' here.  I consider it a broader formula, you consider it more refined.  I'll agree to disagree.

It's an age old argument that I'd rather not get into.

Modifié par Aislinn Trista, 11 janvier 2011 - 08:11 .

[Sunnie]

Honestly, there's no need to debate Noir, on the surface its a style of presentation, famous for its lack of color and sharp themes, which is mainly what its being used for here...the style. Nobody is trying to turn Mass Effect into a deep Noir story trope. Nitpicking on the the artistic use of the style is really unwarranted, especially when the nitpicking is based off whats been done in Hollywood.

[Sable Phoenix]

JamieCOTC wrote...

This is my first video ever. Unfortunately it's only in wmv format, so I'm not sure how many will be able to see it.  The first few minutes of Mass Effect 1 w/ also sprach zarathustra in the background.  Enjoy, if you can. 

Mass Effect 2001

Note: I tried putting it on Youtube, but the sound was cut out.  I also tried converting it to an avi, but it converted it to a 2 GB file.  Oh well. 

Hahaha!  Your sense of humor comes through even in video editing.  I laughed at that.  Very nice.

[Fraevar]

Aislinn Trista wrote...

 All right, here it is:

[picsnip]

FemShep Noir - The Hard Goodbye

This video is basically about Holly's struggles, including ME1 and her relationships in ME2.  Heavily inspired by old-fashioned noir and Sin City.  Hope you guys enjoy.

Don't know how long this will be up, though, because I had to do a content ID dispute with YouTube.  It seriously gives me a headache someone can't make a fanvid (which nets them no profit whatsoever) without jumping through hoops for Fair Use.

That was a fantastic video, Aislinn. You rawk
And yeah, boo to youtube, usually even if they let you use it under Fair Use they will them proceed to block it for everyone outside the United States. <_<

[AkodoRyu]

Interesting - if they really are monitoring what's been uploaded to their network, they never did problems with sound for me. But I always include information about original authors too.

Another pictures supply:


Oops.


I really like this scene. Liara reminding Shepard that commander is not the center of the Universe. Shepard's just shutting up. Priceless.




Standard "awesome frowning" pose...


And "how Marge easily derails from paragon path". Kaidan will be dissapointed. But, hey! I've tried diplomacy first, he didn't listen! xD

Modifié par AkodoRyu, 11 janvier 2011 - 10:16 .

[Fraevar]

AkodoRyu wrote...

Interesting - if they really are monitoring what's been uploaded to their network, they never did problems with sound for me. But I always include information about original authors too.

Another pictures supply:

Great screenies, Akodo, but I love Marge's expression in this one: "Hey is that the ground...oh sh*t...."

[Unkei]

Alix thinks infiltrating is fun



And absolute winrar of this drinking game is...


Mordin? What are you doing back there?


And that's how she divided by zero...




Funny how you can use NPCs as ladders to infiinty and beyond.
Since this happened after just finishing Mordin's mission, i got running through corridors in loop - all doors were unopenable. Reeeeloaaaad.

[Sable Phoenix]

Marge and Alix are so pretty!  I'm constantly amazed at the parade of beauty we get in this thread.

Just so she don't feel left out... random Jessica-ness!


"For the luvva Mike, where did I put that aspirin?"


"Holy crap, I think I've just been derezzed."

Modifié par Sable Phoenix, 11 janvier 2011 - 11:34 .

[Tonymac]

Unkei wrote...

Alix thinks infiltrating is fun


And absolute winrar of this drinking game is...


Mordin? What are you doing back there?


And that's how she divided by zero...




Funny how you can use NPCs as ladders to infiinty and beyond.
Since this happened after just finishing Mordin's mission, i got running through corridors in loop - all doors were unopenable. Reeeeloaaaad.

I've been there more times than I'd like to admit.  As soon as I saw your screeny I knew EXACTLY what mission and what location..  Its VERY hard to get down from there.

[Tonymac]

JamieCOTC wrote...

This is my first video ever. Unfortunately it's only in wmv format, so I'm not sure how many will be able to see it.  The first few minutes of Mass Effect 1 w/ also sprach zarathustra in the background.  Enjoy, if you can. 



Mass Effect 2001

Note: I tried putting it on Youtube, but the sound was cut out.  I also tried converting it to an avi, but it converted it to a 2 GB file.  Oh well. 

VERY nice!  I like the music, I love the scenes, the story ......   and her waking up in Mass Effect 2.  SO nice!


Bravo!

[Sinapus]

Vralenalien wrote...

Aislinn Trista wrote...

 All right, here it is:

FemShep Noir - The Hard Goodbye

That was great video Aislinn! Really loved the second part of it.

Yes, it is very well done.

[Unkei]

Tonymac wrote...

I've been there more times than I'd like to admit.  As soon as I saw your screeny I knew EXACTLY what mission and what location..  Its VERY hard to get down from there.

Good thing i save like crazy, every few steps 

[Bourne Endeavor]

Aislinn Trista wrote...

FemShep Noir - The Hard Goodbye

Very nicely done. I especially liked the latter portion between your Femshep and Garrus.

Now back to deciding if the Council lives or dies.

[Unkei]

Bourne Endeavor wrote...

Now back to deciding if the Council lives or dies.

[BTG_01]

Aislinn Trista wrote...

FemShep Noir - The Hard Goodbye

I don't know if it's been mentioned yet, but that was twelve types of awesome.

Shadow_Soul wrote...

My try at bad*ss. Tell me what you think of it...

She is indeed badass.

Modifié par BTG_01, 11 janvier 2011 - 03:57 .

[Cypher0020]

Currently waiting for vid to load on youtube



Should I proceed with my renegade file or no? Sooo confused.