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[Captain Crash]

jlb524 wrote...

Well, I'm doubting that the main point of the ME franchise is customization or even one of the main points.

I had this idea before but thought I was being pessimistic over the whole thing.  Being on these forums for too long does that sometimes. So you need to stand up and walk away for a while to fresh up your head. However I am starting to get more and more convinced your right with it!


Customisation and gender is just another optional game feature...

Scary line of text that one 


*Edit*
Well since its top of the page heres some Noah to make the post more pleasant!   Best passenger ever! 

(but dont let me drive because I will crash into the back of a lorry  )

Modifié par Captain Crash, 13 janvier 2011 - 06:38 .

[Mr.Vakarian]

xXSnak3Eat3rXx wrote...

So any guys here who have femshep as their canon?

I do as well.  My Madeline has been my canon since day #1

[Fiery Phoenix]

ELE08 wrote...

(...)

One of the many reasons I'm pretty excited for DA2; default femhawke looks awesome.

She looks like someone you would think twice before approaching.

Anyway, while I'm sad to read this news, it's very, very expected. I doubt we'll see FemShep at all during the ME3 campaign. Look at the PS3 version campaign, if any of you can find me a picture or a trailer of the PS3 version where FemShep is part, I'm willing to send you $100 right now.

It's not gonna happen. BioWare knows she's a fan favorite, but that's where it stops.

Modifié par Fiery Phoenix, 13 janvier 2011 - 06:50 .

[TheMarshal]

jlb524 wrote...

ELE08 wrote...

One of the many reasons I'm pretty excited for DA2; default femhawke looks awesome.

I know

Spartas Husky wrote...

In anycase just to add to yer post.
RPG's can't really have definite genders on their lead characters if
the main point of the game is cuztomization .

Well, I'm doubting that the main point of the ME franchise is customization or even one of the main points.

I gotta disagree.  RPGs like Final Fantasy are meant to lead you along a pre-determined
path, but with dialogue options and the face customizer, Shepard really is meant to be your character.

[xXSnak3Eat3rXx]

Yeah, my bad. By "guys", I meant male players.

I recently decided to replay ME2 on Insanity (still haven't gotten the achievement yet) and I thought I'd experiment with different classes, gender and whatnot. I thought the experience would generally be the same story wise (I don't replay games that often) but I was surprised to see how different everything was. While I was doing the Archangel mission on Omega and the Batarian who is supposed to sign you up thinks I'm a stripper and then when femshep pulls out a pistols and says "Show me yours. I bet mine's bigger", I was instantly hooked! So I went back and played ME1 and created a new femshep and carried her over to ME2 and now she's my canon.

I also think the voice actor for the femshep is better overall (although the male Shepard's Renegade speech delivery at the end of the Tali's loyalty mission is one of the best performances I've seen in ME but the male voice actor isn't consistent enough).

Modifié par xXSnak3Eat3rXx, 13 janvier 2011 - 06:59 .

[jwalker]

cgrimm54 wrote...

 I once brought Legion to the migrant fleet.  All was well, until the first conversation with Raan glitched and wound up being the one from after the initial trial.  There were no quarians anywhere to be found, Veetor and Kal'Reegar were invisible, and there was a large group of npcs standing in a rectangle off in the corner.  I was sufficiently weirded out that I reloaded the save with Garrus instead.  

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Veetor?

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Reegar?

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Oh God!  Pod Peo... Quarians!  Must... Not... Show... Emotion...

Oh, and by the way, Yuki, I'm stealing Adele's armor when my next FemShep makes it to ME2.  I REALLY LIKE the color scheme.  

:lol:

That happened to me once. I was talking to Raan and hitting space bar like a maniac. Suddenly the conversation ends... and there's no trial to be had.

[adneate]

jlb524 wrote...
Well, I'm doubting that the main point of the ME franchise is customization or even one of the main points.

I don't really know what the point of the ME franchise is anymore. In a lot of ways it's become indicative of how BioWare, since joining with EA, has lost their way. Mass Effect was done by the team that made Knights of the Old Republic, yet by the time ME2 came around most of that "magic" (and sadly the people who helped make it) was gone. Now it feels more empty and soulless, something cynically marketed and focus tested until it becomes nothing all that special to anymore and merely somewhat palpable to everyone. Yet I don't even think trying to make a game as mass market and as watered down as possible will be enough to pull their publisher (EA) out of the hole they're sinking into. BioWare has strapped themselves to a vessel too large to change course and headed straight for financial ruin.

It probably won't be very long until BioWare no longer means "Great RPGs" and becomes synonymous with generic mediocrity.

[jlb524]

Spartas Husky wrote...

I disagree on that... still come to
think of it, the mainr eason I bought it was due to the cuztomization
so it might just be my own personal view not a general accepted one.

TheMarshal wrote...

I gotta disagree.  RPGs like Final Fantasy are meant to lead you along a pre-determined
path, but with dialogue options and the face customizer, Shepard really is meant to be your character.

I'm not saying that I think that character customization shouldn't be a big deal in ME, but apparently this is the message being sent here by the devs.  The 'icon' is more important than any custom Shepards.

[Bourne Endeavor]

First, I shall defend BioWare in that statistics do support the notion Sheploo is favored amongst the two. I would not necessarily attribute this wholly to marketing for that specific reason. Although it certainly retains merit given many had not even realized Femshep existed. Regardless, the argument "he is generic" or "in every game" partially supports Jesse's argument. He can relate to established media success and targets the vastly larger male audience.



With that in mind, I now take to the offensive and point directly to Samus Aran. By this juncture, you could not swap her to a male character devoid of tanking the franchise. She is Metroid and will remain the centralized and "iconic" character of that series; granted, Nintendo has been exploiting her as of late. This does not alter the previously established popularity of her character. The assumption Mass Effect or Dragon Age would be less popular if only a female protagonist was available is an unsupported myth. A quality product will attract an audience regardless of the lead protagonist's gender and it is a misconception to presume otherwise.



Sheploo is not iconic due to his gender. He is iconic because of the popularity of the Mass Effect series. Jesse's response is akin to saying Final Fantasy VII would not be as successful if Cloud was female and that Metroid would be more successful if Samus were male. Both of which I guarantee is incorrect.

[Hedera]

xXSnak3Eat3rXx wrote...

So any guys here who have femshep as their canon?

Hello.  *waves*

And, surprisingly, for the same reasons you did.  I find Jennifer Hale's delivery to be amazing, so much so that Commander Shepard as a man seems odd to me now.

Modifié par cgrimm54, 13 janvier 2011 - 06:58 .

[TheMarshal]

jlb524 wrote...

Spartas Husky wrote...

I disagree on that... still come to
think of it, the mainr eason I bought it was due to the cuztomization
so it might just be my own personal view not a general accepted one.

TheMarshal wrote...

I gotta disagree.  RPGs like Final Fantasy are meant to lead you along a pre-determined
path, but with dialogue options and the face customizer, Shepard really is meant to be your character.

I'm not saying that I think that character customization shouldn't be a big deal in ME, but apparently this is the message being sent here by the devs.  The 'icon' is more important than any custom Shepards.

There's a difference, though, between the devs and the people selling the game.  Sheploo is a marketing drone's dream come true.  Good looks, husky voice, big gun.  He appeals to the lowest common denominator of gamers, which is what marketing is all about.  The devs, on the other hand, know that it takes more than design-by-committee to make a great game, and I feel that the customizability that they've put into this game, everything from the face constructor to the dialogue options to the romances available, show that they know what they're doing.

I do think that they (the devs) should have fought harder to have some marketing thrown towards femShep.  If not a 50-50 split between Sheploo and femShep, then at least SOME materials.  That ME3 trailer would have worked just as well with femShep.

[Kary Tyrrell]

xXSnak3Eat3rXx wrote...

So any guys here who have femshep as their canon?

<- Aloha! *waves*

[Babli]

xXSnak3Eat3rXx wrote...

So any guys here who have femshep as their canon?

Right here.
I play every time with female character first when there is a choice.

Modifié par Babli, 13 janvier 2011 - 07:02 .

[jlb524]

@TheMarshal

My comment was from a marketing perspective...the character creation stuff isn't a big point anymore, as it's all about Sheploo. The fear is that this is a sign of things to come, and someday you'll only be allowed to play as the default generic white dude in BW games...the 'icon' and that's it.

Modifié par jlb524, 13 janvier 2011 - 07:01 .

[TheMarshal]

jlb524 wrote...

@TheMarshal

My comment was from a marketing perspective...the character creation stuff isn't a big point anymore, as it's all about Sheploo. The fear is that this is a sign of things to come, and someday you'll only be allowed to play as the default generic white dude in BW games...the 'icon' and that's it.

Ah, then I agree.  Marketing doesn't care about trying to sell people on the character creation, because it's too difficult to market.  If Bioware ever decides to limit their protagonist to the straight white male archetype, then that'll be the day that I stop buying Bioware games.

[Unkei]

xXSnak3Eat3rXx wrote...

So any guys here who have femshep as their canon?

Since ME1.

<snip>I also think the voice actor for the femshep is better
overall (although the male Shepard's Renegade speech delivery at the end
of the Tali's loyalty mission is one of the best performances I've seen
in ME but the male voice actor isn't consistent enough).

That's overall consensus around here




Can't stop thinking about that iconic Sheploo...

Sheploo is nothing iconic. Just another macho dude in armor and a gun. He has the same wide range of emotional responses as microwave oven.
Boring as hell.



And now i'm going to finally start ME2 for todays fix. Seeyall in a few

[Hedera]

jlb524 wrote...
The fear is that this is a sign of things to come, and someday you'll only be allowed to play as the default generic white dude in BW games...the 'icon' and that's it.

All this doom and gloom... 

I for one think that BioWare is one of the few developers who cater to both a male and female audience as their standard, as opposed to Bungie or Infinity Ward, whose primary audience was male.  This, as well as their long tradition of allowing character customization as well as both male and female main characters is what I forsee continuing.  While the marketing companies may see a need to give every single franchise a "Poster Boy" I believe BioWare has its community in mind whenever it creates games.  They would not risk the lalienation of such a huge part of their fanbase, as they actually do care what we think.  EA has (for the most part) let BioWare have free reign with their games, moreso than many developers get, simply because they cater to such a specific fanbase.  Before my ramblings get too hard to understand, I am simply saying that BioWare removing custom characters from their games, or at least from the ME and DA franchises would be a dumb move both fiscally and from a consumer perspective.  I still have hope.  

[jwalker]

xXSnak3Eat3rXx wrote...

So any guys here who have femshep as their canon?

Yes

[Captain Crash]

TheMarshal wrote...

If Bioware ever decides to limit their protagonist to the straight white male archetype, then that'll be the day that I stop buying Bioware games.

I think were all universal in that mind set.   I feel Biowares treatment of femshep continues to be disturbing and appalling. The term normally associated with this is "...treated like a second class citizen".   That really doesn't cut it.

When the ME3 forums open there will be a lot of questions that need difficult answers from the Devs since obviously they havent wanted to answer them in the past 12 months.

cgrimm54 wrote...
All this doom and gloom... [smilie]http://social.bioware.com/images/forum/emoticons/sad.png[/smilie]

Unfortunately it is      I try to remain optimistic but months of waiting for answers and this twitter post just leaves you feeling a little fustrated

Modifié par Captain Crash, 13 janvier 2011 - 07:17 .

[CroGamer002]

jlb524 wrote...

This is interesting.   <_<

*stolen from the FemHawke thread*

What?!

[Bourne Endeavor]

Fiery Phoenix wrote...

Anyway, while I'm sad to read this news, it's very, very expected. I doubt we'll see FemShep at all during the ME3 campaign. Look at the PS3 version campaign, if any of you can find me a picture or a trailer of the PS3 version where FemShep is part, I'm willing to send you $100 right now.

It's not gonna happen. BioWare knows she's a fan favorite, but that's where it stops.

Does it count if I make a trailer and post it on IGN?

Technically, I could win that little challenge of yours by directing you to the Prima Strategy guide. The entire book is only Femshep, and a custom one to boot. Unfortunately, that remains the sole exception.

Mr.Vakarian wrote...

xXSnak3Eat3rXx wrote...

So any guys here who have femshep as their canon?

I do as well.  My Madeline has been my canon since day #1

Admittedly, I play both and once upon a time, preferred Sheploo. Opinions change especially when you give the game more attention. Hell, I recently dropped my only Sheploo file to recreate a Femshep using that class. So much for iconic.

Oh and yes, I am male.

On another note. I had meant to offer props for your photoshopping, Mr. V. That is some impressive work.

This article has a rather interesting analysis on Femshep. Clicky

Modifié par Bourne Endeavor, 13 janvier 2011 - 07:22 .

[TheMarshal]

cgrimm54 wrote...

All this doom and gloom... 

I'm not really reading it as doom and gloom.  I know that my ME3 will be there.  Alice Shepard will stop the Reapers, will save the galaxy, and will go on to have lots of little blue babies.  I trust Bioware enough to not forgo the things that made ME1 & 2 great just so they can cater to some marketing mouth-breather.  And I think that Bioware has enough street cred to be able to tell EA to stuff it if they ever insist on only Sheploo-style characters in the future.

[Fixers0]

xXSnak3Eat3rXx wrote...

So any guys here who have femshep as their canon?

No.

My Shepard is a a sterotypical racist whitmam



Always in uniform.

[jlb524]

Yeah, I'm not worried for ME3 as they can't force the 'icon' on people that choose not to play that. My worry extends beyond this into future BW/EA titles and possibly even future Mass Effect titles unrelated to the original trilogy.