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[adneate]

TheMarshal wrote...
And I think that Bioware has enough street cred to be able to tell EA to stuff it if they ever insist on only Sheploo-style characters in the future.

No EA owned studio has ever stood up against the publisher and won, street cred doesn't pay the bills or keep the lights on. Individuals might decide to leave but the studio will do as it is told, one way or the other. Having seen it happen 3 times with 3 different studios under EA control I can gaurantee you that much.

Edit: Because no matter how depressing the news is the rules must be followed.

Modifié par adneate, 13 janvier 2011 - 07:27 .

[jlb524]

Ah Colleen screens make it all better.

Well, for now.

Modifié par jlb524, 13 janvier 2011 - 07:28 .

[TheMarshal]

Oh no, I have friends who have been on the receiving end of EA's benevolence in many forms. I know what to expect from them. I just hope that Bioware's devs have enough sense to abandon ship rather than become part of the collective, should it ever come to that.



Also, I've gotta start grabbing some screencaps of Alice, in case I ever get caught at TotP again...

[Hedera]

Sigh...

I know the news is bad and all, but the rest of the forums are overflowing with this sentiment.  Granted, most of it is a lot less well-supported, but it's still rather depressing to wander through this site and hear about how BioWare is becoming a zombie that only does EA's bidding, fans be damned.  
I am in no way putting words in anyone's mouth, it's just the general impression I get from the more vocal opponents of, well, anything that BioWare has done recently.  I vote to change the subject to something happier, or at least to liven the angst up with some screenshots.  Screenshots are always a good thing! 


If Shepard can be happy, so can I.

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jlb524 wrote...
Ah Colleen screens make it all better.

Well, for now.

As you pointed out there is no danger now, they can't gender restrict Shepard in the 3rd act now. Though I'm sure there are some who would welcome it, they can however do another crap job on her in ME3. In future though I'm sure the gender option will disappear in any future game made by the ME team, they've already lost a lot of the old guard so it won't take much to force them to make exactly the game the EA marketing department wants.

Might take longer for the DA team to be similarily broken but in the end EA's control over the studio is absolute. They won't fund what doesn't sell and marketing tells them what sells.

[Aeowyn]

xXSnak3Eat3rXx wrote...

So any guys here who have femshep as their canon?

Yup



As for that twitter. I'm just gonna stay quiet.

[jlb524]

Though, I do find it odd that the dev said 'ManShep' was the icon and not 'Sheploo' (though they wouldn't use that term) or 'The default male model'. I'm not sure what to make of that if there is anything.

[NM7]

I can understand why they have the default Shepard in the marketing material. It keeps things consistent so people have an image they can associate with the game. But I really don't understand why they don't produce something that lets people know that they can make their own character and are not restricted to the default manshep!

How many times do people post something along the lines of; "I didn't realise you could choose your characters gender until I bought the game!"

Why not sell the other features of the game so it appeals to the largest audience possible? It's not exactly difficult to take a few screenshots or put out a press release with a list of game features, so people know what's what.

Meh.

xXSnak3Eat3rXx wrote...

So any guys here who have femshep as their canon?

Yep.

Modifié par Akari Tenshi, 13 janvier 2011 - 08:03 .

[Bourne Endeavor]

@Akari

I imagine the primary reason they do not, is due to cost. It would require additional funds to create a CGI trailer of Femshep and purchase advertise space to distribute her either via the Internet or Television. When the general perception is the majority of the fanbase is male and prefers Sheploo; which the statistics to support. They likely do not deem the added cost would be enough of a benefit

[jwalker]

jlb524 wrote...

Though, I do find it odd that the dev said 'ManShep' was the icon and not 'Sheploo' (though they wouldn't use that term) or 'The default male model'. I'm not sure what to make of that if there is anything.

I think "ManShep" , "MaleShep" are neutral. I don't know about you, but I think "Sheploo" carries a certain negative tone. The dev might not agree with it, but he knows it's there...

[Fiery Phoenix]

Bourne Endeavor wrote...

Fiery Phoenix wrote...

Anyway, while I'm sad to read this news, it's very, very expected. I doubt we'll see FemShep at all during the ME3 campaign. Look at the PS3 version campaign, if any of you can find me a picture or a trailer of the PS3 version where FemShep is part, I'm willing to send you $100 right now.

It's not gonna happen. BioWare knows she's a fan favorite, but that's where it stops.

Does it count if I make a trailer and post it on IGN?

Technically, I could win that little challenge of yours by directing you to the Prima Strategy guide. The entire book is only Femshep, and a custom one to boot. Unfortunately, that remains the sole exception.

I was referring to the PS3 version, though.

At any rate, the Prima guide remains the only exception. I have a copy myself and it's just so refreshing seeing FemShep throughout the book.

[NM7]

Bourne Endeavor wrote...

@Akari
I imagine the primary reason they do not, is due to cost. It would require additional funds to create a CGI trailer of Femshep and purchase advertise space to distribute her either via the Internet or Television. When the general perception is the majority of the fanbase is male and prefers Sheploo; which the statistics to support. They likely do not deem the added cost would be enough of a benefit

I didn't actually mention a trailer.

I wouldn't expect them to produce CG trailers for both male and female Shepard, but screenshots take no time to capture and distribute to gaming websites. Publishers throw out press releases all the time and adding a few extra lines of text won't break the bank.

[Bourne Endeavor]

Fiery Phoenix wrote...

Bourne Endeavor wrote...

Does it count if I make a trailer and post it on IGN?

Technically, I could win that little challenge of yours by directing you to the Prima Strategy guide. The entire book is only Femshep, and a custom one to boot. Unfortunately, that remains the sole exception.

I was referring to the PS3 version, though.

At any rate, the Prima guide remains the only exception. I have a copy myself and it's just so refreshing seeing FemShep throughout the book.

I know, I was trying to cheat. I did surface around for a little shy of an hour and... nothing. The Prima guide was indeed a refreshing change. Sort of a "Hey, we went Male for the first game. So we'll go female this time." Wonder which will break the tie for ME3.

Akari Tenshi wrote...

I didn't actually mention a trailer.

I wouldn't expect them to produce CG trailers for both male and female Shepard, but screenshots take no time to capture and distribute to gaming websites. Publishers throw out press releases all the time and adding a few extra lines of text won't break the bank.

Touche, it would be nice if during one or two of the gameplay examples they inevitably do. Femshep is used and subsequently those screenshots are used. It certainly could not hurt in any way.

[ADLegend21]

WOW. That news just tanked a respect I gained for bioware after I watched the "Sci vs Fi" special on mass effect 1 where they talked about the customization asnd showed smoe femsheps being made and talked about how you an be a man or a woman. That's a Shame that Jesse Houston thinks that ManShep and ManHawke are icons while Femshep and FemHawke can't be.



Bioware has a talent like Jennifer Hale and she's riding the metaphorical pine behind Meer, when they can easily be marketed as equals since Femshep does the same Galaxy saving as Male Shep. I wonder what kind of deal Bioware and Vanderloo made when he agreed to be the face model for default Male Shepard, because maybe that's why he's the "Iconic" Shepard.

[Stealthy Giraffe]

Aislinn Trista wrote...

 All right, here it is:

http://i1118.photobu.../hollynoir2.jpg

FemShep Noir - The Hard Goodbye

This video is basically about Holly's struggles, including ME1 and her relationships in ME2.  Heavily inspired by old-fashioned noir and Sin City.  Hope you guys enjoy.

Don't know how long this will be up, though, because I had to do a content ID dispute with YouTube.  It seriously gives me a headache someone can't make a fanvid (which nets them no profit whatsoever) without jumping through hoops for Fair Use.

Wow! That was excellent. I love the splashes of colour, both music choices and the wonderful editing. Keep it up!

[Vralenalien]

xXSnak3Eat3rXx wrote...

So any guys here who have femshep as their canon?

Yes




:wub:

[Jade Elf]

Akari Tenshi wrote...

Bourne Endeavor wrote...

@Akari
I imagine the primary reason they do not, is due to cost. It would require additional funds to create a CGI trailer of Femshep and purchase advertise space to distribute her either via the Internet or Television. When the general perception is the majority of the fanbase is male and prefers Sheploo; which the statistics to support. They likely do not deem the added cost would be enough of a benefit

I didn't actually mention a trailer.

I wouldn't expect them to produce CG trailers for both male and female Shepard, but screenshots take no time to capture and distribute to gaming websites. Publishers throw out press releases all the time and adding a few extra lines of text won't break the bank.

Indeed. Although there were a few official FemShep pics released, and I've seen the odd site or two use them on occasion in the past. It's just not been very common, unfortunately.

Eg:
(ME2 site screenshot archive, page 8)

[Vanguard1219]

ADLegend21 wrote...

WOW. That news just tanked a respect I gained for bioware after I watched the "Sci vs Fi" special on mass effect 1 where they talked about the customization asnd showed smoe femsheps being made and talked about how you an be a man or a woman. That's a Shame that Jesse Houston thinks that ManShep and ManHawke are icons while Femshep and FemHawke can't be.

If no one minds I'm to interject into this debate as it's closing to say my piece. AD, don't lost respect for Bioware for what one member of the considerably much larger than one person studio said as an off-hand comment. The simple fact of the matter is that someone ran their mouth off when they probably shouldn't have, and if my past experiences following the game industry tell me anything it's that if these comments generate enough bad press or reactions "someone" higher up on Bioware's chain of command than Jesse Houston is going to make him own up to it and then make him clarify on his remarks, stating that his opinion isn't their opinion.

Will that happen? Probably not, as something tells me most people won't really see this as a problem, but the possibility is there. (I'm also not suggesting that you raise awareness/generally cause a ruckus to gaming news outlets per se, but the option is there )

At any rate, is it disheartening that someone that close to the project has this opinion? Well, yeah, of course it is. Does that mean FemShep and, apparently following in her footsteps, her counterpart Lady Hawke are going to continue to be overshadowed? Probably, but has that stopped any of us from shining a light onto her and honoring her thus far? Hell no, and I don't see why it's going to stop us now.

"Iconic"? *pfft*, Sheploo can keep his shiny little badge of honor. FemShep's badge shines far much brighter than that anyway. She's the fan favorite, and that's an honor that she isn't going to be losing any time soon.

And on that note...

xXSnak3Eat3rXx wrote...

So any guys here who have femshep as their canon?

Right here, and damn proud of it.

[Sialater]

Vanguard1219 wrote...

At any rate, is it disheartening that someone that close to the project has this opinion? Well, yeah, of course it is. Does that mean FemShep and, apparently following in her footsteps, her counterpart Lady Hawke are going to continue to be overshadowed? Probably, but has that stopped any of us from shining a light onto her and honoring her thus far? Hell no, and I don't see why it's going to stop us now.

That does it.  My first Lady Hawke's name is Isabeau D'Anjou Hawke.   Or maybe just D'Anjou Hawke.

And Avery Shepard being awesome since I went off topic.

Modifié par Sialater, 13 janvier 2011 - 09:45 .

[ADLegend21]

@Vanguard, good point, I most;y meant Jesse Houston when I said Bioware because he did say his tweets were his and not the companies, but still we're not hearing Hale's voice when it comes to official bioware trailers. Yes we make our own, but it's not the same. My slim hope is that when Bioware continues mass effect (past shepard's story liek they said) then we'll get a female hero in the trailer, but that's a snowball's chance in hell.



also Kallen is half my Canon, along with my Male Shep self insert cahracter, we makea pretty awesome Reaper Killing team.

[Unkei]

I just found out that Kelly can be romanced by FemShep... omg omg

[Sialater]

rynluna wrote...

I'm trying to get my thouguts together to form something polite and coherent but it's not happening. I'll be be back later when I've cooled off. :-/

I think your change to the title says it all.

[jlb524]

Thread title change!



My Shepard approves



*insert pic here of my Shepard smiling b/c I'm too lazy to navigate to photobucket to do so*

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jlb524 wrote...
*insert pic here of my Shepard smiling b/c I'm too lazy to navigate to photobucket to do so*

Well technically it's my Shepard . . .