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[jlb524]

Your Shepard is cooler than mine so it's all good.

*crushes on Colleen again*

Edit:  Crap, now I do have to post a pic.   oh, the irony!

Modifié par jlb524, 13 janvier 2011 - 10:12 .

[JamieCOTC]

jlb524 wrote...

This is interesting.   <_<

*stolen from the FemHawke thread*

I think the writer is missing the point.  He-Hawke is iconic in the same way Mikey Mouse, Ronald McDonald and Clippy is iconic, same thing goes for DudeShep.  I don't think that Jesse Houston is saying that He-Hawke is more iconic than Lady Hawke at all.  He is just their logo for better or for worse.  Also note that Houston said that femShep was the fan favorite. So think of it this way, while He-Hawke and DudeShep are out there whoring for BW, femShep and LadyHawke are being lavished w/ fan art and fanfic because they are the fan favorites and the true stars of the game.

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adneate wrote...

jlb524 wrote...
*insert pic here of my Shepard smiling b/c I'm too lazy to navigate to photobucket to do so*

^this.

[Vanguard1219]

adneate wrote...

jlb524 wrote...
*insert pic here of my Shepard smiling b/c I'm too lazy to navigate to photobucket to do so*

Well technically it's my Shepard . . .

I'll toast to that

To our Ladies of War. May they never be forgotten.

*clinks glasses together*

[Unkei]

JamieCOTC wrote...

<snip>So think of it this way, while He-Hawke and DudeShep are out there whoring for BW, femShep and LadyHawke are being lavished w/ fan art and fanfic because they are the fan favorites and the true stars of the game.

True. I've seen much much more FemShep fanart than DudeShep's. Much much more.

[AkodoRyu]

ManShep, hmm?

(original)

[Vralenalien]

Oh, Title change.

[Chignon]

rynluna wrote...

Seeing Rachel makes me feel a little better.

To cheer you up further, here's FemShep and Miranda being awesome:

He could have worded it way better. This happens so many times, usually with Casey making derp comments. For a game that was originally pushed as being able to customize and "Your choices matter!", the dev who was worked on this game for years says that DudeShep is the "Icon". It's upsetting.

I agree.

[leggywillow]

adneate wrote...

jlb524 wrote...
Well, I'm doubting that the main point of the ME franchise is customization or even one of the main points.

I don't really know what the point of the ME franchise is anymore. In a lot of ways it's become indicative of how BioWare, since joining with EA, has lost their way. Mass Effect was done by the team that made Knights of the Old Republic, yet by the time ME2 came around most of that "magic" (and sadly the people who helped make it) was gone. Now it feels more empty and soulless, something cynically marketed and focus tested until it becomes nothing all that special to anymore and merely somewhat palpable to everyone. Yet I don't even think trying to make a game as mass market and as watered down as possible will be enough to pull their publisher (EA) out of the hole they're sinking into. BioWare has strapped themselves to a vessel too large to change course and headed straight for financial ruin.

It probably won't be very long until BioWare no longer means "Great RPGs" and becomes synonymous with generic mediocrity.

I don't know, I wouldn't worry about this yet.  Their insistence on making Sheploo the frontman is annoying, but I don't think it heralds ruin necessarily.

After all, KotOR wasn't much better in terms of gender equality, IMO.  At least Bioware isn't claiming that ManShep is the canon, dismissing FemSheps with an indulgent pat on the head.  (Still sore with Lucas Arts on that one, grr.)

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Kallen's reaction to title change:

[ZoSo159]

I have played as male Shep for awhile but I decided to make a female Shepard and I am glad I did it is like playing the game from a whole new angle and looking forward to seeing how she and Jacob make it through ME3!

[JamieCOTC]

xXSnak3Eat3rXx wrote...

So any guys here who have femshep as their canon?

Yep.

[jwalker]

All this talk about iconic dudeShep is making Hayley's eye twitch

[JamieCOTC]

rynluna wrote...

Seeing Rachel makes me feel a little better.

He could have worded it way better. This happens so many times, usually with Casey making derp comments. For a game that was originally pushed as being able to customize and "Your choices matter!", the dev who was worked on this game for years says that DudeShep is the "Icon". It's upsetting.

Yeah, I know it is, but do you really want femShep to be Chud's b*tch?  I think DudeShep is just fine for a marketing wh0re. femShep is the fan favorite (official now) and I think that's actually a better accolade than any trailer.

Modifié par JamieCOTC, 13 janvier 2011 - 10:44 .

[mellifera]

I think Adele feels the same way about marketing as she does about magic assault rifles.

[Shenzi]

Kate will drink to the title change as well.

[Bourne Endeavor]

rynluna wrote...

I changed it again. Sorry, people. Didn't want trolls coming in here asking what we mean by FemShep being the fan favorite and not their precious Sheploo, the icon. Who appears in nearly every game where the character totes a gun.

Think of it this way, Ryn. Sheploo is the wh0re. Selling himself for top dollar. Meanwhile, Femshep is chosen by the fans as the favorite.

[Never]

yukidama wrote...

Wow Yuki, Adele has a perfect profile! It always drives me nuts trying to get a realistic one.

I really dislike the fact that they used Sheploo for marketing as well. I never even played ME1 until a few months before ME2 came out, when I came across a video of FemShep. I was like wtf, you can make your own char?!

[CmdrShepardsGirl]

Hell yes I fully support the fem shep 100% =D

[Fraevar]

So I just caught up on the past few pages and Jesse Houston's comment. As much as I hate to say it, I actually don't think Houston's putting down either femShep or femHawke. He's admitting that the community prefers the female heroes, and that the *only* reason Sheploo and m!Hawke are on the covers is because marketing thinks it sells more. I personally think that what marketing is doing there is a self-fulfilling prophecy and like the linked article says - helps perpetuate the white-male-run-of-the-mill hero routine. Which is a shame - there's plenty of potential for other things, but I can't say I am surprised. EA took a chance with Mirror's Edge, which featured heavy promotion of a non-sexualized female protagonist. The game got mostly positive reviews but didn't sell that well. The number-crunchers will look at that and use it as a reason to not do that again.



The ironic thing here is that a) BioWare's fanbase seems to rally around the female protagonists, which is a great thing and That m!Hawke actually is not even an "iconic" protagonist in that sense, because that's not the story the Dragon Age team wants to tell, from what I've been able to surmise. The few videos out there have shown Hawke as being a character in a world, rather than the center of the universe, like ME2 Shepard. So what can we conclude? Well, that marketing is hopelessly stuck in the stone age and that the mature bunch of the BioWare design team seems to think so as well.

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LesEnfantsTerribles wrote...

Having said that, and as Jamie also emphasised, there is a positive to take from this in that FemShep is acknowledged as and stated to be a "fan favourite." It's disappointing that they're insistent on Sheploo remaining their "icon," but it's also comforting to know that BioWare realise that most fans prefer FemShep, and that Commander Shepard is regarded as an iconic female protagonist amongst a significant percentage of the playerbase.

Amidst all the gloom, there is some light.

 I agree, Houston acknowledged her and gave her the props of fan favorite but Marketting obviously has to stick with Male shep and Vanderloo but they could do a "Vid-Doc" on the Femshep Experience to at elast remind gamers everywhere you can play as a badass Female along with the dude from the trailers and that both are equally entertaining.