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FemShep Fan Thread- Show me yours, tough guy. I bet mine's bigger!

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#23101
SkaldFish
Posté 27 janvier 2011 - 02:13

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ELE08 wrote...

Timberley wrote...

Maybe a mini-segment or dev diary type thing showing the differences between playing as ManShep and FemShep in a certain scene.  For example, I laughed my arse off when I first heard the line the Blue Suns recruiter gave you in Afterlife, and definitely hit the Renegade interrupt as soon as it appeared.  I'd only been playing as ManShep up until then, so had no idea this dialogue existed.  Something like that would highlight the diversity of playthroughs you can experience.


Oh gosh, I would LOVE this.  I'm a Mass Effect junkie and I watch all their teaser material and behind the scenes crap.  A femshep feature would make my day.


I agree - that's a GREAT idea! It would expose fans to the idea that the experience really is different.

Thanks, all, for the kind words. And apologies for the length of my post. A lot of thoughts I'd been storing up for a while...

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Posté 27 janvier 2011 - 02:14

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Aislinn Trista wrote...

@scamper and ELE

Oh no! I hope that it's temporary as well. I love your texmods so much.


thanks Aislinn.

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Posté 27 janvier 2011 - 02:14

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Hmm... that's weird. I had just downloaded your texmods. But yes they;re all gone (subscribed threads).



On another note. I haven't played ME1 since October, so I decided to fire it up and "update" one of my characters. This time around she's a Spacer, might make her a bit more of a Paragade too. I'm a little unsure though about her face. I hate how OCD I become about making the face to my liking. :\\



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#23104
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Posté 27 janvier 2011 - 02:23

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@SkaldFish

I just read your post, sorry I accidentally skimmed over it.

I. Love. You.

Just thought I'd put that out there. You said everything I've always been thinking about FemShep better than I could have. Glad to have you here.

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Posté 27 janvier 2011 - 02:40

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Reverie wrote...

Hmm... that's weird. I had just downloaded your texmods. But yes they;re all gone (subscribed threads).

On another note. I haven't played ME1 since October, so I decided to fire it up and "update" one of my characters. This time around she's a Spacer, might make her a bit more of a Paragade too. I'm a little unsure though about her face. I hate how OCD I become about making the face to my liking. :\\\\

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I back up everything like crazy ever since I accidentally deleted one of my projects ><

I know what you mean about being OCD. Your Shep has a good overall face structure (looks like a '1'?) and a good balance between the jaw and the cheeks. Her lips seem a tad low but it's hard to tell from the first shots on the Normandy. Especially the one talking to Pressley seems to distort facial features a bit. (Yep, defintely OCD with character creation.)

Real people have idiosyncratic facial features that don't fit the 'perfect ratio' so it's whatever you think looks good. My eyes are too close together in real life based on the ideal ratio. Quick, someone phone my parents they need to fire up the character creator :?

I digress. I'm glad you're getting use out of my project.

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Posté 27 janvier 2011 - 02:57

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@ELE

My parents totally screwed up in the character creator with my nose. They moved the nose depth slider out waaaaay too far. Seriously, I could put someone's eye out with it.

When I created Holly, I gave her a pointy nose on purpose. Unfortunately the nose shape isn't the same as mine, but it's as close as I could get.

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Posté 27 janvier 2011 - 03:15

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Wow.  Just... WOW! :happy:

I go off to 3 hour Geo class hell and all this happens!  ELE, you continue to astound me with your skill at both photoshop and the CC.  I hope your projects page gets restored.  As with Scampermax's. :wizard:

Aislinn, I cannot wait for your next video.  All the others were awesome. ;)

As for Skaldfish, your experience with FemShep mirrors my own.  DudeShep has been relegated to some weird parallel universe where mercs get beat down by some space-marine-type who I could care less about.  That was quite a wall of text, but I agree with every last part of it.  

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Posté 27 janvier 2011 - 03:20

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Aislinn Trista wrote...

@ELE

My parents totally screwed up in the character creator with my nose. They moved the nose depth slider out waaaaay too far. Seriously, I could put someone's eye out with it.

When I created Holly, I gave her a pointy nose on purpose. Unfortunately the nose shape isn't the same as mine, but it's as close as I could get.


It's the quirks that give a person character.  Same for femsheps.  Model-like perfection doesn't really do it for me in IRL.  Character matters.  I think I'm starting to sound like Kelly...

cgrimm54 wrote...
Wow.  Just... WOW! [smilie]../../../images/forum/emoticons/happy.png[/smilie]

I go off to 3 hour Geo class hell and all this happens!  ELE, you continue to astound me with your skill at both photoshop and the CC.  I hope your projects page gets restored.  As with Scampermax's. [smilie]../../../images/forum/emoticons/wizard.png[/smilie]


Thanks!  3 hours...blargh.

And the projects seem to have been restored.

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Posté 27 janvier 2011 - 03:23

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@cgrimm54

Thanks! As long as people enjoy them, it makes me happy.

I mirror your sentiment on ELE's skills. She's amazing.

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Posté 27 janvier 2011 - 03:34

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Gilsa wrote...

@SkaldFish -- Loved reading about your experiences with both male and female Shepard. (Awesome screenshots, too!) I am curious if the romances feel different to you on a femShep. Do you miss the LIs for John Shepard? Or is it all the same?


Thanks, Gilsa. The romance question is an interesting one, because you asked me if the romances feel different. Yes, they do, and the whole issue kinda gives me pause, to be honest. Playing ManShep, it all felt kind of fun, like double icing on the game's cake. Shep (especially in ME2) had female teammates pretty much falling all over him, even to the point of Kelly Chambers giving him relationship tips like some kind of bizarre matchmaker. It all felt very cartoonish and stereotypical (some scenes in the Shadow Broker DLC being exceptions).

I know we're talking about a game here, but, unless you play a femShep to romance, for example, Miranda, in which case you're following the same script as you'd follow with manShep,the romance aspect is quite different -- almost as if somebody at BioWare was thinking that "good girl commanders don't act that way." Which, as it turns out, may not be such a bad thing. It actually adds some depth to the character by increasing a feeling of isolation. "I'm Shepard, and life is not always that good." Even the Kaiden/femShep romance in ME1 felt somewhat more realistic than the "I'm Shepard, and you are my favorite babe on the Normandy" stuff in ME2.

Nothing wrong with the game providing that; but it definitely feels different. (For some of my friends, it's the best part.) I've found that I play a more serious game with Rhea -- often just plain avoiding the romance stuff altogether. BUT -- and I can't be objective about this -- it could just be that I avoid them because I realize that I'm playing the character who's about to lay a big sloppy one on Thane, and suddenly entertainment has left the building.

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Posté 27 janvier 2011 - 03:41

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Reverie wrote...

Hmm... that's weird. I had just downloaded your texmods. But yes they;re all gone (subscribed threads).

On another note. I haven't played ME1 since October, so I decided to fire it up and "update" one of my characters. This time around she's a Spacer, might make her a bit more of a Paragade too. I'm a little unsure though about her face. I hate how OCD I become about making the face to my liking. :\\\\

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Aesthetically, this Jane Shepard has to be one of the best Shepards I have seen, period, female or not.

Good job!:)

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Posté 27 janvier 2011 - 03:50

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SkaldFish wrote..

I've played through ME1 and 2 many times. The first six or seven playthroughs were all done with default male Shepards. Having seen some of the old original articles and posts in support of "trying out" a female Shepard, not long ago I decided to give it a try. The result? While I'll probably dust off John Shepard at some point after ME3 is released, he won't be my first ME3 Shepard, and he may have to wait a very long time to get his turn.

This was my experience:

As has been stated many times, the voice acting experience you get with a female Shepard really is amazing. It's hard to talk about this without violating one of the thread's stated "House Rules" by making a negative comparison, but I will just say that I found myself believing the female character much more often. RPGs are fun, but let's face it, selecting responses on a wheel, cracking every safe you walk by, and racing around battlefields gathering up thermal clips aren't things that work together to enhance the realism of the experience. At least for me, the realization that I was finding a character in an RPG believable was pretty shocking. And very cool.

Something about watching this rather petite woman demonstrating the toughness that the Shepard character demands ratchets up the excitement level throughout the course of the game. Things I took for granted when Shep-Guy did them became the stuff of legend when this little "I-caught-that-smirk-on-your-face-when-you-first-saw-me" orphan marched in and got the job done. Think about it: if a six-foot-one, 190-pound Shepard is tough, how much tougher is one who gets the same results but is five-foot-six and 120 pounds soaking wet? And I guess having to beat the crap out of Blue Suns Mercs who say things like "Well aren't you sweet?" toughens you up too....

Pretty soon I realized that, along with the increased excitement, I was experiencing something I can't remember ever experiencing before in a game. I respected this character. Real, honest-to-goodness respect. Wow - how did that happen?

I'm sold. This game went from excellent to amazing when I made the switch to a FemShep.  

Finally, here are some things I wish BioWare would think about as they push towards an ME3 release:

1. While I understand that conventional marketing wisdom (now there's three words you won't see drinking together in a bar) stresses the importance of establishing a strong, iconic main character, by sticking to that model BioWare is missing a tremendous marketing opportunity. All this time they could have been using the male/female main characer choice to target and strengthen market segments the gaming industry has always considered weak. And they could have done it without any damage to their gravy train demographic. When you think about the possibilities of a binary marketing campaign, new opportunities run up and beg you to pay attention:
[*]2. It makes little sense to produce such a high-quality character personalization experience, then market only the facets of it that make it sound just like any other RPG.   


I snipped some of your post but I just have to say first of all that all of it was very well said. I love reading people's reactions upon trying out FemShep for the first time. I wish more of the game columnists and reviewers gave her a try. We'd be seeing way more industry support for her because I feel that's what it would take for her to get more recognition.

So far it seems like she's just the "fan favorite" but they don't take their own character serious enough for better treatment. :-/ I agree that it's silly that they use Sheploo to advertise a game that you can customize your lead character and make your own choices. *sigh* Marketing needs a serious wakeup call that they won't get until several more Bioware games are out. Look what they've done with DudeHawke. /eyeroll

I also bolded part of your post and I believe the OP needs an edit to the rules. I don't see anything wrong with making comparisons between Meer/Hale/MaleShep/FemShep as long as they are constructive and not outright bashing. I should get to work on this tomorrow. : )

Anyway, well said and welcome to the thread! <3

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Posté 27 janvier 2011 - 03:50

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@Reverie: Like your femShep a lot. She's a strong woman who means business - not easy to achieve. I'm afraid to think about how many hours altogether have gone into mine (especially going from ME1 to ME2 -- I hated the automatic import and so started over from scratch), and I'm still not completely happy with her.

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Posté 27 janvier 2011 - 03:55

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 @Skald

I like your FemShep.  I'm partial to green eyes, though.  :wub:

I also like her sweet little smirk.

Random Holly pic:

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Posté 27 janvier 2011 - 04:23

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Aislinn Trista wrote...

 @Skald

I like your FemShep.  I'm partial to green eyes, though.  :wub:

I also like her sweet little smirk.

Random Holly pic:

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This is a very nice femShep as well. I went to your Holly album and took a look. Some very dramatic shots. My favorite was this one. It shows you achieved another thing that (I think) is hard to get to: a face that actually lets emotions show through. For some reason -- not sure why -- several of the femSheps I tried early on always looked like they were fresh from a Botox appointment. Maybe someone here who is more familiar with how the face animation works can explain that....

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Posté 27 janvier 2011 - 04:30

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 I really enjoy looking back through my MASSIVE screencap folders and finding real emotion showing through.
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Posté 27 janvier 2011 - 04:49

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rynluna wrote...

I also bolded part of your post and I believe the OP needs an edit to the rules. I don't see anything wrong with making comparisons between Meer/Hale/MaleShep/FemShep as long as they are constructive and not outright bashing. I should get to work on this tomorrow. : )

Anyway, well said and welcome to the thread! <3


Thanks - you've all given me a great welcome and I appreciate it!

So.... I'll tell you the story of the actual moment when I realized I needed to give femShep a try, and you can decide whether it crosses the line.

I was working my way through ME2, and my manShep had just come face-to-face with Jack for the first time on Purgatory. I picked the upper-right option, Shepard delivered his line, and Jack responded, "S**t, you sound like a p***y."

And I realized she was absolutely right.

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Posté 27 janvier 2011 - 04:52

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SkaldFish wrote...
Maybe someone here who is more familiar with how the face animation works can explain that....


It's hard to explain because it's an overall effect rather than any one thing, if you balance the facial features, set the brows very low and the mouth to a neutral position you should get a fairly convicing reaction from the animation system. Though that end result is 2 parts skill and 1 part luck, you don't really know how your character will look until you get it in the game and moving around. Sometimes the best laid plans just don't work out in reality.

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Posté 27 janvier 2011 - 04:54

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@cgrimm54: Great examples!

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Posté 27 janvier 2011 - 04:57

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@Skald

Thank you! If you're interested, I have a lot more nice quality pictures and dramatic shots in the album linked in my signature.

When making my FemSheps, I tend to go for more natural mouth shapes (thinner lips and not so wide) as they tend to animate better. I'm also a fan of the number 6 eyes, as they don't have clipping issues and are a bit more expressive. I set them all the way down on the face (slider all the way to the right) as they tend to start high... then keep the eyebrows low.

On this FemShep I used the number 1 eyes, with lower eyebrows. I wanted to give her a sort of intimidating, cold, yet sexy look. Those eyes animate well to that effect, since you'll get more expressions similar to these:

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Anyway, that's how I like to do things. =-)

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Posté 27 janvier 2011 - 05:00

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Speaking of emotions coming through...

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It's a bit dark, but I love this.  This is close to the I-am-very-irritated-and-making-a-halfassed-attempt-to-hide-it expression I imagine Kate having most of the time.  :lol:

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Posté 27 janvier 2011 - 05:09

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Aislinn, I love all of your FemSheps, but Moira has to be my absolute favorite. Something about that haircut mixed with her features is just... :wub:

Alsooo, new ladyShep. Name's Ros. Earthborn/Ruthless. Paragade. No romance decided as of yet, as I don't know if I'll even play her for very long. All of my Shepards look the same.

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Posté 27 janvier 2011 - 05:13

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adneate wrote...


Speaking of the Claymore it shows up (probably inadvertantly) in a cutscene for the Overlord DLC.

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I'm pretty sure it's not supposed to be there but there are almost no scenes with a shotgun in the whole of ME2.


So, a Paragon-Interrupt Claymore-whipping for the mad scientist?

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Posté 27 janvier 2011 - 05:15

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I just want to say this...

I have been a member of many forums, including Bungie.net and the CoD sites. Today i got an alert from my email that "Your inbox is full. Your spam folder is full. Your trashcan is full." This has NEVER happened with any combination of forums before, and i deleted my accs on the afore mentioned sites ages ago.

Where im going with this: Not only are you all the most active bunch i have had the pleasure to communicate with, but also i have yet to meet one single person i felt the need to complain about.



On Topic,

i have an xbox.. and want to make some screenies to put up here, but my S-Video cable i used before is bust. Help?

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Posté 27 janvier 2011 - 05:20

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Sinapus wrote...

So, a Paragon-Interrupt Claymore-whipping for the mad scientist?


I would love to see a screenshot or video of that.  :lol:

@Roxy

That's very kind of you to say!  Sorry, but I don't even own an xbox... PC gamer here.  I'd help if I could.

@Calla

Awww, thanks!  I like your new FemShep, she looks tough yet sexy!  I also like her nose, really suits her.

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