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[Vicious]

If there's no dragon/god child, the Chantry still collapses, it's just a different series of events that leads up to it.



The old god baby is just the straw that breaks the camel's back, if he/she exists. If not, It'll be a number of different things, which DA2 will touch upon.



So in the grand scheme, Morrigan's child is probably not going to be that important... if it WAS that earthshakingly important, Bioware would force it on the players - and they aren't.

[AlexXIV]

BFC2 wrote...

Could someone provide an explanation to me as to why morrigan couldn't perform the ritual postmortem on the warden? I mean far as I am aware sperm has been shown retain it viability up to 24 hours in a dead body and then it has to be frozen ( morrigan has ice based spells).

Of course I have no ideal how long Archdemon's souls last, I guess is could be like that movie fallen with denzel washington.( 500 cubits I think it could travel before the soul need a new host)

If the warden dies then the soul of the Archdemon/Old God is gone. Even if she could obtain the Warden's sperm ... somehow ... she would only become pregnant but not save the soul of the Old God.

[AlexXIV]

Giggles_Manically wrote...

Didnt Gaider already say this:
May I put this to rest?

If the player didn't do the Dark Ritual, or didn't get Alistair or Loghain to do it, then it wasn't done. Had Morrigan figured out some way to otherwise do it, then nobody would have died when the Archdemon was slain. If she had some way to go about getting the Archdemon's soul without resorting to the Dark Ritual as she proposed it, then why did she go through all the trouble?

We could undoubtedly come up with some complex Plan B on Morrigan's part whereby she gets the Archdemon's soul but has to do something far more terrible-- but a) that removes the player's agency in the biggest single choice of Origins and would probably be pretty lame.

So why is this still running around?

Kids. Every day a new one is born (probably more than one lol) and every one is asking the same old questions every other did before them.

[Roth]

If the DR actually happened and the kid will become some sort of infant dragonbossbadguy sometime in a future game, will we be able to acquire Wade's Superior Babyscale Armor after we slay it?

I know at least my Warden would look totally badass draped in babyskin.

[DarthCaine]

What I'm interested in is what happens if you romanced Morrigan, but didn't do the dark ritual, since if you romance her she has a child either way, just not with the soul of the archdemon

[Behindyounow]

UberDuber wrote...

The Fan girls dont want the god baby!
and everybody else does.

So does that mean the godbaby wont be apart of DA2 or any other DA games because it is not a canon? Ahhh this blows its all because the Alistair fangirls. Here I was looking forward to a godbaby destroying things ect.

Wouldn't the 'fangirls' be the main people who did the DR? Because they want their happy ending with Alistair?

I'm male, and I didn't do the DR. I hate Morrigan. She's a total cow. The main reason I didn't do the DR is because she wanted me to. If that rubbish was made canon, I'd be super pissed.

[Datenshi92]

[quote]UberDuber wrote...

The Fan girls dont want the god baby!
and everybody else does.

So does that mean the godbaby wont be apart of DA2 or any other DA games because it is not a canon? Ahhh this blows its all because the Alistair fangirls. Here I was looking forward to a godbaby destroying things ect.[/quote]

[/quote]
Wow...
People know how to complain about the story going the wrong way and how they would've done it to be perfect, but in the end they would just make it predictable and so clichê with that god-child evil guy idea...
In resume, according to that, in DA2 Morrigan would birth that child, we would be fighting an horde of smarter-talking darkspawn and an intelligent archdemon in human form, we fight it and win... Seriously... There is a reason why Bioware has awsome quality games and a good reputation, they have experience and know how to develop stories, period.

PS: There is no way we can fight it as a full-fledged god thing, even if it was a possible plot.
Even by the end of the DA2 game, the kid would be either 9 or 10 years old and killing kids would be easy, unless this was an japanese horror style game...

Modifié par Datenshi92, 04 août 2010 - 03:46 .

[CaptainBanana]

My two cents:

I still think Flemeth is involved and will continue to be until the end of DA albeit she was killed (or should I say the dragon was killed), per Morrigans request.

If we all remember early on, when talking with Morrigan she was asked whether or not it was possible to shapeshift into another human form. She more or less blew the answer off by suggesting; 'Why would I? Since I am a human there would be no benefit in seeing how a human lives'.(paraphrasing)
 
Therefore Morrigan suggest's that it is possible that Morrigan and/or  (by extension),Flemeth could shapeshift into another human form and perhaps assume each other's identity.

Let me know what you think but I do feel Flemeth is still very much involved in this story.

Modifié par CaptainBanana, 11 août 2010 - 02:39 .

[MKDAWUSS]

CaptainBanana wrote...

My two cents:

I still think Flemeth is involved albeit she was killed (or should I say the dragon was killed), per Morrigans request. If we all remember early on, when talking with Morrigan she was asked whether or not it was possible to shapeshift into another human. She more or less blew the answer off by suggesting why would I. Since I am a human there would be ono benefit in seeing how a human lives. Therefore it remains possible that Morrigan and/or Flemeth could shapeshift into another human form and perhaps assume each other's identity.
Let me know what you thinki, but I do feel flemeth is still very much involved in this story.

Well, the codex itself is vague on Flemeth's death...

[Ooga600]

if you had sex with her in camp she still has a child even if you're dead, so it's presumably yours. idk what the ending is if you never romanced her.

Modifié par Ooga600, 11 août 2010 - 02:47 .

[iTomes]

Ooga600 wrote...

if you had sex with her in camp she still has a child even if you're dead, so it's presumably yours. idk what the ending is if you never romanced her.

she leaves to orlais or something. doesn't really matter.

[TSamee]

The Old Gods are fundementally linked to the Darkspawn in ways we don't yet know, consequently anything as seemingly important as the soul of an Old God trapped in a child is really, really important. Either the Ritual is canon, or BioWare needs to stock up on smoke and mirrors to make it seem irrelevant.

EDIT:

AlexXIV wrote...

Giggles_Manically wrote...

Didnt Gaider already say this:
May I put this to rest?

If
the player didn't do the Dark Ritual, or didn't get Alistair or Loghain
to do it, then it wasn't done. Had Morrigan figured out some way to
otherwise do it, then nobody would have died when the Archdemon was
slain. If she had some way to go about getting the Archdemon's soul
without resorting to the Dark Ritual as she proposed it, then why did
she go through all the trouble?

We could undoubtedly come up with
some complex Plan B on Morrigan's part whereby she gets the Archdemon's
soul but has to do something far more terrible-- but a) that removes
the player's agency in the biggest single choice of Origins and would
probably be pretty lame.

So why is this still running around?

Kids.
Every day a new one is born (probably more than one lol) and every one
is asking the same old questions every other did before them.

Alright, it seems the child won't have much storyline significance after all, if Gaider did indeed say  this. Sorry about that, guys, I obviously missed that post.

Modifié par TSamee, 11 août 2010 - 03:32 .

[Akka le Vil]

Morroian wrote...

David Gaider wrote...

May I put this to rest?

If the player didn't do the Dark Ritual, or didn't get Alistair or Loghain to do it, then it wasn't done. Had Morrigan figured out some way to otherwise do it, then nobody would have died when the Archdemon was slain. If she had some way to go about getting the Archdemon's soul without resorting to the Dark Ritual as she proposed it, then why did she go through all the trouble?

We could undoubtedly come up with some complex Plan B on Morrigan's part whereby she gets the Archdemon's soul but has to do something far more terrible-- but a) that removes the player's agency in the biggest single choice of Origins and would probably be pretty lame.

The end result of the 2 choices, god baby or not, would seem too wildly divergent to be able to be accommodated in future games without some sort of a workaround. Like someone said it actually looks like you're making the choice to do the dark ritual meaningless. Not saying you won't find a way to reconcile the 2 outcomes but I can't see it.

I'm pretty sure that they can build a scenario that allows for both to work.

Let's say, for example, that Morrigan attempts to start a new religion by claiming her (now teenager) child is a God.
If you did the DR, the child is ACTUALLY a reborn Old God.
If you didn't the DR, the child is just a regular human (well, probably a sorcerer though) and she's just using her (now very powerful) witch abilities to disguise him/her as a God.

In both case you can fight her, help her or the like. It involves lots of different dialogues and the like, but I can definitely see the majority of such a story being common to both cases.

BFC2 wrote...

Could someone provide an explanation to me
as to why morrigan couldn't perform the ritual postmortem on the
warden? I mean far as I am aware sperm has been shown retain it
viability up to 24 hours in a dead body and then it has to be frozen (
morrigan has ice based spells).

Of course I have no ideal how
long Archdemon's souls last, I guess is could be like that movie fallen
with denzel washington.( 500 cubits I think it could travel before the
soul need a new host)

What's the point of collecting the sperm once the Archdemon is dead ?
Did you even understand what the DR was about ?

Antares1987 wrote...

Have you looked into the possibility
of having the dark ritual into canon? The Warden's role would have
been more important than simply ending the Blight and made into a major
plot for the Dragon Age series.

"simply" ending the Blight ?
/facepalm

[captain.subtle]

I would like to ask gently, Why is this thread still alive? I crave a justification.

Modifié par captain.subtle, 11 août 2010 - 04:21 .

[Dranixolf]

um... I know I'm no place to say this but...



"If you imported a DS Warden into Awakening, then you chose to un-do your earlier decision. As to whether you can un-un-do it again when importing into DA2, I really don't have an answer for that yet, sorry"



Couldn't that mean that it's possible for you to choose to "Un-do" that final decision regarding morrigan and the game would "Auto-choose" the fact that you underwent the ritual...



A good example is awakening. If Alistair is chosen king he is seen for a short dialogue in the game, so that means that both you and him survived the death of the archdeamon, how come?



David, you said that importing a character into awakening undid you earlier decision, if alistair is chosen king, would that mean that you would also HAVE to undo your decision of rejecting morrigan? because I can see no other way in which both of you survived...

[serjwolf]

David Gaider wrote...

May I put this to rest?

If the player didn't do the Dark Ritual, or didn't get Alistair or Loghain to do it, then it wasn't done. Had Morrigan figured out some way to otherwise do it, then nobody would have died when the Archdemon was slain. If she had some way to go about getting the Archdemon's soul without resorting to the Dark Ritual as she proposed it, then why did she go through all the trouble?

We could undoubtedly come up with some complex Plan B on Morrigan's part whereby she gets the Archdemon's soul but has to do something far more terrible-- but a) that removes the player's agency in the biggest single choice of Origins and would probably be pretty lame.

As a man from SC once said to our President...

YOU LIE!

Modifié par serjwolf, 25 août 2010 - 08:50 .

[rphb2]

The OGB is undoubtedly the biggest event in Dragon Age: Origin, it puts the origin in DA:O, but the fact that it is not canon, that the player have a choice not to go through with it, have bugled me more then anything else in the game.



A players choice is only a pseudo choice, it makes the player less important to the universe as a whole, cannot be clearly mentioned or have significant implications on future games.



I guess that the new DLC Witch-hunt will be the conclusion to the OGB, but I can only come to one possible conclusion that would make it canonic no matter what people previously did.



You are going to kill the OGB.

[AndrahilAdrian]

rphb2 wrote...

I guess that the new DLC
Witch-hunt will be the conclusion to the OGB, but I can only come to one
possible conclusion that would make it canonic no matter what people
previously did.

You are going to kill the OGB.

And hopefully Morrigan too, thus ending this once and for all.

Modifié par AndrahilAdrian, 26 août 2010 - 08:31 .

[Sebastian333]

AndrahilAdrian wrote...

rphb2 wrote...

I guess that the new DLC
Witch-hunt will be the conclusion to the OGB, but I can only come to one
possible conclusion that would make it canonic no matter what people
previously did.

You are going to kill the OGB.

And hopefully Morrigan too, thus ending this once and for all.

ahhh yes indeed..but i wonder if you ask Morrigan to leave you..the story will turn to what? its like:
No morrigan = No romance = No Sex = No Baby = No ritual = So who will replace her?

[Virginian]

David Gaider wrote...un-un-do it

Double negative! I love those but not as much as triple negatives.

[Lumikki]

I don't like where this is going. First in my gameplay, I did not do the ritual for reason. My character is live, but Alistair and Loghain are both dead. So, I don't see how Morrigan could have the ritual child, when someone died in Archdeamon ending in DAO. It's pretty lame to undo players choises, if that's where this is going.

[Lotion Soronarr]

I don't care about the God Baby...because it didn't happen for me.



And I disagree that it's a win, win, win scenario. A story is what you make of it. A story wihout the GB can easily be better than one with it.

[GodWood]

Lumikki wrote...
I don't like where this is going. First in my gameplay, I did not do the ritual for reason. My character is live, but Alistair and Loghain are both dead. So, I don't see how Morrigan could have the ritual child, when someone died in Archdeamon ending in DAO. It's pretty lame to undo players choises, if that's where this is going.

If you didn't do the dark ritual there will be no god child.
They're not undoing your choices and I have no idea how you came to that conclusion considering David Gaider said it himself in this thread.

[Tamyn]

How do the characters in Dragon Age even know when a soul is destroyed? They don't know everything about the afterlife for their own races. How would they know for certain that the archdemon's soul (or the Grey Warden's soul) is destroyed in the slaying of the dragon by a GW? All they know is what they see: the archdemon dies, doesn't come back, and the Grey Warden dies.



Who's to say that the archdemon's soul isn't hanging around the Fade somewhere? Or back in some sort of celestial prison? Riordan was so sure of what he was saying (and so was Morrigan), but is there some in-game lore that verifies a soul's destruction that I missed? (Other than a couple of finite humans saying so.) We don't even know what Flemeth is for sure.

[Esbatty]

Isn't there an epilogue where even if you refuse the Dark Ritual but still romanced/slept with Morrigan she is scene crossing the Frostback Mountains while possibly carrying a child?



I haven't refused her DR offer so I haven't had this but I've heard of it from the DA Wikia.