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[Ryzaki]

Svest wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...
Does that not contradict what Riordan said about the taint being the beacon for the AD soul though? 

And I already said it was possible. Just highly unlikely to happen. Highly unlikely =/= impossible. Its highly unlikely you'll survive a fall 35000Ft in the air but its possible.

I'm not missing the point just pointing out that the whole point of the US ending was that the ADs soul was destroyed.

No it doesn't.  Like I said, the Warden's soul acts as the required beacon to draw the old god's soul in but before they could destroy each other Morrigan's magic steps in and changes the outcome.  It kills the warden and uses the power released there to capture the AD's soul.

I'm just saying the likelyhood is meaningless, all that matters is the writers' intent.

The point of the US ending was that we think the AD's soul is destroyed.  If the writers want to use that soul in the future then it wasn't.  Simple as that.

So morrigan uses a spell to kill the warden despite whatever magic resistant armor he/she has own? Morrigan is so much a god mode sue that she can do that? 

Also...one has to wonder why this magic isn't used by the Tevinter mages. Blowing up people from miles away could be extremely useful no matter what the risks.

Modifié par Ryzaki, 20 juillet 2010 - 07:52 .

[Svest]

Ryzaki wrote...

Svest wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...
Not to mention. How does she get pregnant? She screws the demon that helps her? 

She went down to a pub and hit on some drunk guy.  You don't think Morrigan could find someone willing to have sex with her any time she wanted?

Within a time span of what two days? The blight is going on. She first has to A. LEave the area because where she is all the men are A. Leaving to fight. or B. Fleeing. So there goes you she's near the warden theory.

That makes no sense.  First, the men were not leaving that night they leave the next morning, she could have easily gone out and cought one of the soldiers stumbling out of the bar in Redcliffe and seduced him.  Or she could have simply followed the army and seduced someone while they were camping at night, or she could have turned into a bird flown somewhere, got laid, and still beat the army (and the warden) to Denerim if she wanted.  I seriously don't get how you could think that a woman who looks like Morrigan could have a hard time finding someone to screw her.

[Svest]

Ryzaki wrote...

So morrigan uses a spell to kill the warden despite whatever magic resistant armor he/she has own? Morrigan is so much a god mode sue that she can do that? 

Also...one has to wonder why this magic isn't used by the Tevinter mages. Blowing up people from miles away could be extremely useful no matter what the risks.

Again, who said anything about miles away?  And Tevinter mages do it all the time, you don't think the sacrifices for their blood magic are all willing volunteers do you?

[Ryzaki]

Svest wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...

Svest wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...
Not to mention. How does she get pregnant? She screws the demon that helps her? 

She went down to a pub and hit on some drunk guy.  You don't think Morrigan could find someone willing to have sex with her any time she wanted?

Within a time span of what two days? The blight is going on. She first has to A. LEave the area because where she is all the men are A. Leaving to fight. or B. Fleeing. So there goes you she's near the warden theory.

That makes no sense.  First, the men were not leaving that night they leave the next morning, she could have easily gone out and cought one of the soldiers stumbling out of the bar in Redcliffe and seduced him.  Or she could have simply followed the army and seduced someone while they were camping at night, or she could have turned into a bird flown somewhere, got laid, and still beat the army (and the warden) to Denerim if she wanted.  I seriously don't get how you could think that a woman who looks like Morrigan could have a hard time finding someone to screw her.

Alright so she screws some soldier preping his tools. So now what? She follows them? Or does she leave Redcliffe (which has already been stormed by Darkspawn by the way) for somewhere safer? Or does she follow (without anyone noticing) the group as they head to Denerim? Her being close to the Warden when he makes the final blow, (not to mention this ritual apparently needs chanting and the like I'm pretty sure just getting pregant doesn't help seeing as how you can knock her up in the US ending. ) so what? She needs a Warden for the pregancy to matter. The only wardens are the Main PC, Riordian, and Alistair or Loghain. 1. Refused her 2. Isn't compatible. 3. Wouldn't sleep with her anyways and neither would 4 for that matter.

So yeah she now has a normal human baby. Congrats Morrigan. You've proved you can do what millions of other females can!

[Ryzaki]

Svest wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...

So morrigan uses a spell to kill the warden despite whatever magic resistant armor he/she has own? Morrigan is so much a god mode sue that she can do that? 

Also...one has to wonder why this magic isn't used by the Tevinter mages. Blowing up people from miles away could be extremely useful no matter what the risks.

Again, who said anything about miles away?  And Tevinter mages do it all the time, you don't think the sacrifices for their blood magic are all willing volunteers do you?

Common. Sense. How close would you be to a bloody battle envolving a horde of darkspawn if you had a possibly dangerous and complicated ritual to produce that would more than likely need an intense amount of concentration and your wits since you're dealing with a demon? 

I doubt their sacrifices are miles away however. With that ability you could kill all dissenting world leaders. It would be easy to throw people into a panic. Meaning its either close to impossible or very high risk (or both). Any politican worth his salt would exploit such an ability to the fullest.

Modifié par Ryzaki, 20 juillet 2010 - 08:06 .

[Svest]

Ryzaki wrote...

Svest wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...

So morrigan uses a spell to kill the warden despite whatever magic resistant armor he/she has own? Morrigan is so much a god mode sue that she can do that? 

Also...one has to wonder why this magic isn't used by the Tevinter mages. Blowing up people from miles away could be extremely useful no matter what the risks.

Again, who said anything about miles away?  And Tevinter mages do it all the time, you don't think the sacrifices for their blood magic are all willing volunteers do you?

Common. Sense. How close would you be to a bloody battle envolving a horde of darkspawn if you had a possibly dangerous and complicated ritual to produce that would more than likely need an intense amount of concentration and your wits since you're dealing with a demon? 

Since when does common sense have anything to do with magic?  What is it about the word magic you don't understand?

Who is to say what the ritual requires?  Maybe the blood spilled in the battle makes the ritual even more powerful?  Maybe she performed the ritual already and now just needs to be present (like is the case for the DR)  In which case she could be a bird perched on the tower if she wants.  You are making assumptions that have no base in anything. 

[Svest]

Ryzaki wrote...

Alright so she screws some soldier preping his tools. So now what? She follows them? Or does she leave Redcliffe (which has already been stormed by Darkspawn by the way) for somewhere safer? Or does she follow (without anyone noticing) the group as they head to Denerim? Her being close to the Warden when he makes the final blow, (not to mention this ritual apparently needs chanting and the like I'm pretty sure just getting pregant doesn't help seeing as how you can knock her up in the US ending. ) so what? She needs a Warden for the pregancy to matter. The only wardens are the Main PC, Riordian, and Alistair or Loghain. 1. Refused her 2. Isn't compatible. 3. Wouldn't sleep with her anyways and neither would 4 for that matter.

So yeah she now has a normal human baby. Congrats Morrigan. You've proved you can do what millions of other females can!

She is a shapeshifter, not being noticed would be extremely easy for her.

Who says anything about chanting?  No other ritual shown in the game requires long drawn out chanting and concentration.  Just a few short words, gestures, and maybe some blood.  Just because mages chant in other IPs means nothing here.

She needs a warden child for the Plan A ritual.  Whose to say what she needs for Plan B? 

[Ryzaki]

Svest wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...

Svest wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...

So morrigan uses a spell to kill the warden despite whatever magic resistant armor he/she has own? Morrigan is so much a god mode sue that she can do that? 

Also...one has to wonder why this magic isn't used by the Tevinter mages. Blowing up people from miles away could be extremely useful no matter what the risks.

Again, who said anything about miles away?  And Tevinter mages do it all the time, you don't think the sacrifices for their blood magic are all willing volunteers do you?

Common. Sense. How close would you be to a bloody battle envolving a horde of darkspawn if you had a possibly dangerous and complicated ritual to produce that would more than likely need an intense amount of concentration and your wits since you're dealing with a demon? 

Since when does common sense have anything to do with magic?  What is it about the word magic you don't understand?

Who is to say what the ritual requires?  Maybe the blood spilled in the battle makes the ritual even more powerful?  Maybe she performed the ritual already and now just needs to be present (like is the case for the DR)  In which case she could be a bird perched on the tower if she wants.  You are making assumptions that have no base in anything. 

Magic require concentration. You can tell that much in game. If a mage gets hit without all 4 slots in combat training maxed out they can have the spell cancelled. Magic isn't a end all and be all. Frankly it has limits like everything else. You can't cast spells if you have no MP. You can't restore MP unless you rest or have lyrium. Magic can't do certain things. Also if the blood spell is targeted towards the warden would you not need the Warden's blood? Also that many people in combat aren't blind deaf or stupid one of them might notice the warden's party member being suspiciously far away from him doing a weird looking ritual even in the middle of battle. Heck the warden might notice it. Heck the ARCHEDEMON might notice it and want to attack her. You telling me she's going to stand in the middle of a battle field where she's going to have to defend herself, doing some ritual at the same time with a demon that is eager to find a moment of weakness. Really? 

Powerful spells have casting times that leave the mage especially vulnerable! You telling me she does this in the middle of a battlefield?[/i][i]

My assumptions are based off what I've seen in game. I don't know where you magical homing device that kills the warden right after he kills the archedemon but before the soul transfers (which looks like its nearly instanteous) comes from.

Modifié par Ryzaki, 20 juillet 2010 - 08:32 .

[Ryzaki]

Svest wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...

Alright so she screws some soldier preping his tools. So now what? She follows them? Or does she leave Redcliffe (which has already been stormed by Darkspawn by the way) for somewhere safer? Or does she follow (without anyone noticing) the group as they head to Denerim? Her being close to the Warden when he makes the final blow, (not to mention this ritual apparently needs chanting and the like I'm pretty sure just getting pregant doesn't help seeing as how you can knock her up in the US ending. ) so what? She needs a Warden for the pregancy to matter. The only wardens are the Main PC, Riordian, and Alistair or Loghain. 1. Refused her 2. Isn't compatible. 3. Wouldn't sleep with her anyways and neither would 4 for that matter.

So yeah she now has a normal human baby. Congrats Morrigan. You've proved you can do what millions of other females can!

She is a shapeshifter, not being noticed would be extremely easy for her.

Who says anything about chanting?  No other ritual shown in the game requires long drawn out chanting and concentration.  Just a few short words, gestures, and maybe some blood.  Just because mages chant in other IPs means nothing here.

She needs a warden child for the Plan A ritual.  Whose to say what she needs for Plan B? 

...The plan A. Ritual requires chanting. According to Gaider it wasn't shown because of budget constraints. Wouldn't be much of a ritual if it involved her just sleeping with you. Anybody could do that much.

[Ryzaki]

Svest wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...

Alright so she screws some soldier preping his tools. So now what? She follows them? Or does she leave Redcliffe (which has already been stormed by Darkspawn by the way) for somewhere safer? Or does she follow (without anyone noticing) the group as they head to Denerim? Her being close to the Warden when he makes the final blow, (not to mention this ritual apparently needs chanting and the like I'm pretty sure just getting pregant doesn't help seeing as how you can knock her up in the US ending. ) so what? She needs a Warden for the pregancy to matter. The only wardens are the Main PC, Riordian, and Alistair or Loghain. 1. Refused her 2. Isn't compatible. 3. Wouldn't sleep with her anyways and neither would 4 for that matter.

So yeah she now has a normal human baby. Congrats Morrigan. You've proved you can do what millions of other females can!

She is a shapeshifter, not being noticed would be extremely easy for her.

Who says anything about chanting?  No other ritual shown in the game requires long drawn out chanting and concentration.  Just a few short words, gestures, and maybe some blood.  Just because mages chant in other IPs means nothing here.

She needs a warden child for the Plan A ritual.  Whose to say what she needs for Plan B? 

You can't cast spells in shapeshifter form.

What rituals do we see though? The only ritual I remember seeing is the one that required a lot of mages and a lot of lyrium to send 1 person into the fade.

*correct one more mage into the fade. Which makes it look even worse.

Modifié par Ryzaki, 20 juillet 2010 - 08:30 .

[Svest]

Ryzaki wrote...

Magic require concentration. You can tell that much in game. If a mage gets hit without all 4 slots in combat training maxed out they can have the spell cancelled. Magic isn't a end all and be all. Frankly it has limits like everything else. You can't cast spells if you have no MP. You can't restore MP unless you rest or have lyrium. Magic can't do certain things. Also if the blood spell is targeted towards the warden would you not need the Warden's blood? Also that many people in combat aren't blind deaf or stupid one of them might notice the warden's party member being suspiciously far away from him doing a weird looking ritual even in the middle of battle. Heck the warden might notice it. Heck the ARCHEDEMON might notice it and want to attack her. You telling me she's going to stand in the middle of a battle field where she's going to have to defend herself, doing some ritual at the same time with a demon that is eager to find a moment of weakness. Really? 

I love all the random assumptions

Yes magic does have its limits, I've already said what they were in this IP.  Anything beyond that is possible.  Any attempt at saying its not is simply not understanding the word magic.  You are adding restrictions and requirements from other IPs which have no base here.  The only things magic cannot acomplish in Thedas are teleportation, resurrection, and physical entry into the fade.  Even those rules can be broken according to the writers, but they would have to be a "game changer."  This does not break those rules, and even if it did I think it would fit the definition of a "game changer." 

Exactly what chants and weird looking rital does Morrigan have to perform during the battle with the AD if you perform the DR?  None.  Why would she have to do something for a different ritual?  The magic could have already been cast, exactly like in the DR. 

She could have easily gotten some of the warden's blood back in Ostagar.  He had half a dozen arrows sticking out of him when he was rescued, that would have been a pretty good time to get it.  Or any of the dozens of other times he was cut during the story.

[Johnny Shepard]

I think Morrigan asked nicely first... then she used her powers to... make the Warden do it without him knowing it. You kinow the tale about the Witches of the Wilds seducing their victims.

No, seriusly... I think Morrigan date-raped the Warden.

[Svest]

Ryzaki wrote...

You can't cast spells in shapeshifter form.

What rituals do we see though? The only ritual I remember seeing is the one that required a lot of mages and a lot of lyrium to send 1 person into the fade.

*correct one more mage into the fade. Which makes it look even worse.

Of course she can't cast the spells in shapeshifter form, she had already cast them, just like if she had performed the DR.

Exactly my point.  Since we don't know what the rituals require we can't make the leap in logic to assume they require massive amounts of chanting, and concentration, or anything else.

You don't even see the ritual you mention.  You see that it requires lots of mages and lyrium, but you don't know what they have to do.  All we know is when they are IN the fade they are in a trance, because we actually see that in Ostagar.  We have no idea what was required of the mages that sent them there, other than lyrium.

[Ryzaki]

Svest wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...

Magic require concentration. You can tell that much in game. If a mage gets hit without all 4 slots in combat training maxed out they can have the spell cancelled. Magic isn't a end all and be all. Frankly it has limits like everything else. You can't cast spells if you have no MP. You can't restore MP unless you rest or have lyrium. Magic can't do certain things. Also if the blood spell is targeted towards the warden would you not need the Warden's blood? Also that many people in combat aren't blind deaf or stupid one of them might notice the warden's party member being suspiciously far away from him doing a weird looking ritual even in the middle of battle. Heck the warden might notice it. Heck the ARCHEDEMON might notice it and want to attack her. You telling me she's going to stand in the middle of a battle field where she's going to have to defend herself, doing some ritual at the same time with a demon that is eager to find a moment of weakness. Really? 

I love all the random assumptions

Yes magic does have its limits, I've already said what they were in this IP.  Anything beyond that is possible.  Any attempt at saying its not is simply not understanding the word magic.  You are adding restrictions and requirements from other IPs which have no base here.  The only things magic cannot acomplish in Thedas are teleportation, resurrection, and physical entry into the fade.  Even those rules can be broken according to the writers, but they would have to be a "game changer."  This does not break those rules, and even if it did I think it would fit the definition of a "game changer." 

Exactly what chants and weird looking rital does Morrigan have to perform during the battle with the AD if you perform the DR?  None.  Why would she have to do something for a different ritual?  The magic could have already been cast, exactly like in the DR. 

She could have easily gotten some of the warden's blood back in Ostagar.  He had half a dozen arrows sticking out of him when he was rescued, that would have been a pretty good time to get it.  Or any of the dozens of other times he was cut during the story.

...I just told you Gaider said it was edited out because of budget. Why do you think she would even tell him if she just had to sleep with him. He'd notice something was up however if she started rites and the like in the middle of it. Heck Morrigan never tells you anything important unless she has no choice.

Also you can tell Morrigan to GTFO the moment you reach Lothering without even have had a battle with her nearby so where did she get blood from then? You think she took the blood while you were recovering and what placed it in a vial and kept it just in case? With as arrogant as Morrigan is about any man falling under her spell? 

Not to mention Flemeth supposedly is the one who treated your wounds while I can see her keeping your blood where would Morrigan put it anyways? 

...She's getting creepier the more I think about it. *shudders* 

[Ryzaki]

Svest wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...

You can't cast spells in shapeshifter form.

What rituals do we see though? The only ritual I remember seeing is the one that required a lot of mages and a lot of lyrium to send 1 person into the fade.

*correct one more mage into the fade. Which makes it look even worse.

Of course she can't cast the spells in shapeshifter form, she had already cast them, just like if she had performed the DR.

Exactly my point.  Since we don't know what the rituals require we can't make the leap in logic to assume they require massive amounts of chanting, and concentration, or anything else.

You don't even see the ritual you mention.  You see that it requires lots of mages and lyrium, but you don't know what they have to do.  All we know is when they are IN the fade they are in a trance, because we actually see that in Ostagar.  We have no idea what was required of the mages that sent them there, other than lyrium.

...Actually you do see something similar in the beginning at Ostagar. One of the Templars tells you not to go near the mages because "They're in the fade and need to concentrate" (or something similar I forget the exact dialogue).

[Svest]

Ryzaki wrote...

...Actually you do see something similar in the beginning at Ostagar. One of the Templars tells you not to go near the mages because "They're in the fade and need to concentrate" (or something similar I forget the exact dialogue).

Reread what I wrote.  I said exactly that you see the mages who are in the fade.  However, oddly enough you don't see a bunch of other mages standing around them performing some strange ritual.  All you see are the ones who are actually in the fade.  Which would lend support to the idea that they don't need to stand around performing some complex time consuming chant.  They cast the spell that sent the other mages to the fade and then went about their business.

You never see the ritual that sends them there.

[Svest]

Ryzaki wrote...

...I just told you Gaider said it was edited out because of budget. Why do you think she would even tell him if she just had to sleep with him. He'd notice something was up however if she started rites and the like in the middle of it. Heck Morrigan never tells you anything important unless she has no choice.

Also you can tell Morrigan to GTFO the moment you reach Lothering without even have had a battle with her nearby so where did she get blood from then? You think she took the blood while you were recovering and what placed it in a vial and kept it just in case? With as arrogant as Morrigan is about any man falling under her spell? 

Not to mention Flemeth supposedly is the one who treated your wounds while I can see her keeping your blood where would Morrigan put it anyways? 

...She's getting creepier the more I think about it. *shudders* 

A vial of blood, a bandage soaked in blood, whatever.  She would put it with the rest of her belongings.  it wouldn't be too hard to conceal. 

Just because someone is arrogant doesn't mean they are stupid and wouldn't have a backup plan.  What if the warden is gay?

Who said Morrigan wasn't creepy?  She is supposed to be creepy.

Modifié par Svest, 20 juillet 2010 - 09:04 .

[Kaiser Shepard]

Nevermind what I said earlier in this topic, word from God Gaider is that the Dark Ritual is not canon.

Edit: to clarify myself, there is no canon but what you choose.

Modifié par Kaiser Shepard, 20 juillet 2010 - 09:28 .

[In Exile]

Svest wrote...
No it doesn't.  Like I said, the Warden's soul acts as the required beacon to draw the old god's soul in but before they could destroy each other Morrigan's magic steps in and changes the outcome.  It kills the warden and uses the power released there to capture the AD's soul.

That's not true. The archdemon jumps to the nearest tainted creature. The Grey Warden has to land the finishing blow and not just be around because quite literally the archdemon will latch onto the closet thing there. If Steve Not-Grey-Warden kills the archdemon and there's a darkspawn between a Grey Warden and the carcass of the archdemon, you get archdemon 2: electric bugaloo. This is why, if you don't choose the dark ritual and you and the Loghain/Alistair are there, who dies depends on who is physically closer to the archdemon when it dies.

[Ryzaki]

Svest wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...

...I just told you Gaider said it was edited out because of budget. Why do you think she would even tell him if she just had to sleep with him. He'd notice something was up however if she started rites and the like in the middle of it. Heck Morrigan never tells you anything important unless she has no choice.

Also you can tell Morrigan to GTFO the moment you reach Lothering without even have had a battle with her nearby so where did she get blood from then? You think she took the blood while you were recovering and what placed it in a vial and kept it just in case? With as arrogant as Morrigan is about any man falling under her spell? 

Not to mention Flemeth supposedly is the one who treated your wounds while I can see her keeping your blood where would Morrigan put it anyways? 

...She's getting creepier the more I think about it. *shudders* 

A vial of blood, a bandage soaked in blood, whatever.  She would put it with the rest of her belongings.  it wouldn't be too hard to conceal. 

Just because someone is arrogant doesn't mean they are stupid and wouldn't have a backup plan.  What if the warden is gay?

Who said Morrigan wasn't creepy?  She is supposed to be creepy.

*arches brow* except if you have the RD ending she doesn't have any of Loghain's blood if you kick her out prior so that is a dud.

True but arrogance usually lends to one thinking they don't *need* back up plans. Light was a genius but his arrogance blew up in his face.

[Ryzaki]

Svest wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...

...Actually you do see something similar in the beginning at Ostagar. One of the Templars tells you not to go near the mages because "They're in the fade and need to concentrate" (or something similar I forget the exact dialogue).

Reread what I wrote.  I said exactly that you see the mages who are in the fade.  However, oddly enough you don't see a bunch of other mages standing around them performing some strange ritual.  All you see are the ones who are actually in the fade.  Which would lend support to the idea that they don't need to stand around performing some complex time consuming chant.  They cast the spell that sent the other mages to the fade and then went about their business.

You never see the ritual that sends them there.

The ones actually in the fade and completely vulnerable while so. The Templars are guarding them. And that's just to go to the fade. Whose to say the spell casting didn't have this same moment of vulnerability as well? Every time a mage casts a spell he/she leaves him/herself wide open to an attack while doing so no matter how long the spell takes to cast.

[Tirigon]

Ryzaki wrote...

So morrigan uses a spell to kill the warden despite whatever magic resistant armor he/she has own? Morrigan is so much a god mode sue that she can do that? 

Also...one has to wonder why this magic isn't used by the Tevinter mages. Blowing up people from miles away could be extremely useful no matter what the risks.

Surely not. She flies up in the form of a bird, changes to a wolf and rips the Wrden´s throat.

Or maybe Flemeth told her the Dragon Shapechanging and she can burn you in dragon form.........

[Svest]

In Exile wrote...

Svest wrote...
No it doesn't.  Like I said, the Warden's soul acts as the required beacon to draw the old god's soul in but before they could destroy each other Morrigan's magic steps in and changes the outcome.  It kills the warden and uses the power released there to capture the AD's soul.

That's not true. The archdemon jumps to the nearest tainted creature. The Grey Warden has to land the finishing blow and not just be around because quite literally the archdemon will latch onto the closet thing there. If Steve Not-Grey-Warden kills the archdemon and there's a darkspawn between a Grey Warden and the carcass of the archdemon, you get archdemon 2: electric bugaloo. This is why, if you don't choose the dark ritual and you and the Loghain/Alistair are there, who dies depends on who is physically closer to the archdemon when it dies.

What does that have to do with anything?  Reread what I wrote.  The warden kills the AD, its soul tries to go to the warden's body, then poof magic happens.  I'm not getting what you are saying.

By the way, when I say "Warden" I'm referring to whatever Warden actually kills the AD.  Alistair, Loghain, or the player's character.

[syllogi]

Kaiser Shepard wrote...

Nevermind what I said earlier in this topic, word from God Gaider is that the Dark Ritual is not canon.

Edit: to clarify myself, there is no canon but what you choose.

But what about the default state of the world, for those who don't import a save?  And any books or other media set in Thedas after this Blight???

Not that I'm arguing his word, but I'm having a hard time believing that at one point or another, they're not going to pick an outcome for DA:O and call that canon.  The decisions are just too far reaching to ignore.

[Svest]

Ryzaki wrote...

Svest wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...

...Actually you do see something similar in the beginning at Ostagar. One of the Templars tells you not to go near the mages because "They're in the fade and need to concentrate" (or something similar I forget the exact dialogue).

Reread what I wrote.  I said exactly that you see the mages who are in the fade.  However, oddly enough you don't see a bunch of other mages standing around them performing some strange ritual.  All you see are the ones who are actually in the fade.  Which would lend support to the idea that they don't need to stand around performing some complex time consuming chant.  They cast the spell that sent the other mages to the fade and then went about their business.

You never see the ritual that sends them there.

The ones actually in the fade and completely vulnerable while so. The Templars are guarding them. And that's just to go to the fade. Whose to say the spell casting didn't have this same moment of vulnerability as well? Every time a mage casts a spell he/she leaves him/herself wide open to an attack while doing so no matter how long the spell takes to cast.

What's your point?  Nobody is going into the fade here.