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[Deviija]

Brockololly wrote...

I guess this begs the question how big Morrigan's role could possibly be going forward if the OGB won't be made canon? The devs have said Morrigan's story isn't over yet, but does that mean it now goes in 2 wildly divergent ways, DR or no DR? That could be neat...

Mike Laidlaw in his official podcast interview on DA2 did say that Origins wasn't finished (unless that was just badly worded), so maybe they have some designs on some DAO expansions or DLC?  We'll see.

[RosaAquafire]

David Gaider wrote...

May I put this to rest?

If the player didn't do the Dark Ritual, or didn't get Alistair or Loghain to do it, then it wasn't done. Had Morrigan figured out some way to otherwise do it, then nobody would have died when the Archdemon was slain. If she had some way to go about getting the Archdemon's soul without resorting to the Dark Ritual as she proposed it, then why did she go through all the trouble?

We could undoubtedly come up with some complex Plan B on Morrigan's part whereby she gets the Archdemon's soul but has to do something far more terrible-- but a) that removes the player's agency in the biggest single choice of Origins and would probably be pretty lame.

Hey, David! I understand why this is a big thing and why Morrigan getting the baby anyways would be a slap in the face for those who had the courage to watch their Warden or Alistair die.

That said, might I ask a question? This is a major thing for the history of Thedas. A child born to a major character (and possibly another major character, for male wardens who romanced Morrigan) who has the soul of an old god is a big deal, storywise.

Does this mean that the god-child is ultimately irrelevant?

That, imo, undermines the player's choice just as much ... for those characters (LIKE MINE) who were too cowardly to bear dying/seeing Alistair die and did the Dark Ritual out of fear ... it becomes just an easy way out without the god-child eventually doing anything relevant.

tl;dr: dark ritual is a big deal. Will the implications of it never come into the light?

[Johnny Jaded]

Deviija wrote...

Brockololly wrote...

I guess this begs the question how big Morrigan's role could possibly be going forward if the OGB won't be made canon? The devs have said Morrigan's story isn't over yet, but does that mean it now goes in 2 wildly divergent ways, DR or no DR? That could be neat...

Mike Laidlaw in his official podcast interview on DA2 did say that Origins wasn't finished (unless that was just badly worded), so maybe they have some designs on some DAO expansions or DLC?  We'll see.

A couple of weeks ago, Chris Priestly inadvertently confirmed (or at least implied) that there was more DLC coming for Origins before the release of DA2 so I'm kinda expecting/hoping to see a Morrigan DLC in a similar vein to Leliana's

[Indoctrination]

David Gaider wrote...

May I put this to rest?

Yes you may, and thank you for doing so. Morrigan-GodBaby theories have been way out of control lately.

[Zhijn]

David Gaider wrote...

May I put this to rest?

If the player didn't do the Dark Ritual, or didn't get Alistair or Loghain to do it, then it wasn't done. Had Morrigan figured out some way to otherwise do it, then nobody would have died when the Archdemon was slain. If she had some way to go about getting the Archdemon's soul without resorting to the Dark Ritual as she proposed it, then why did she go through all the trouble?

We could undoubtedly come up with some complex Plan B on Morrigan's part whereby she gets the Archdemon's soul but has to do something far more terrible-- but a) that removes the player's agency in the biggest single choice of Origins and would probably be pretty lame.

On that subject. Choice related import.

How do a players savegame import work if they did the sacrifice in DAO but voila appeared alive again in Awakening (if im not mistaken, Awakening is a critical import aswell right?).

Do you default the ending that the Warden made the choice of giving a child to Morrigan or will it just be one of thouse unexplained mysteries that'll never be mention about the Warden?. =)

[Malanek]

RosaAquafire wrote...

David Gaider wrote...

May I put this to rest?

If the player didn't do the Dark Ritual, or didn't get Alistair or Loghain to do it, then it wasn't done. Had Morrigan figured out some way to otherwise do it, then nobody would have died when the Archdemon was slain. If she had some way to go about getting the Archdemon's soul without resorting to the Dark Ritual as she proposed it, then why did she go through all the trouble?

We could undoubtedly come up with some complex Plan B on Morrigan's part whereby she gets the Archdemon's soul but has to do something far more terrible-- but a) that removes the player's agency in the biggest single choice of Origins and would probably be pretty lame.

Hey, David! I understand why this is a big thing and why Morrigan getting the baby anyways would be a slap in the face for those who had the courage to watch their Warden or Alistair die.

That said, might I ask a question? This is a major thing for the history of Thedas. A child born to a major character (and possibly another major character, for male wardens who romanced Morrigan) who has the soul of an old god is a big deal, storywise.

Does this mean that the god-child is ultimately irrelevant?

That, imo, undermines the player's choice just as much ... for those characters (LIKE MINE) who were too cowardly to bear dying/seeing Alistair die and did the Dark Ritual out of fear ... it becomes just an easy way out without the god-child eventually doing anything relevant.

tl;dr: dark ritual is a big deal. Will the implications of it never come into the light?

Good post RosaAquafire. And thanks David for clearing that up. I am a little bit sad about this, that story arc just seemed too interesting to not use as a driving force in a future story. I'm guessing it could still play out in a future game, but if it was a big part of it, the story would need to be radically different for the two options.

[Suron]

David Gaider wrote...

May I put this to rest?

If the player didn't do the Dark Ritual, or didn't get Alistair or Loghain to do it, then it wasn't done. Had Morrigan figured out some way to otherwise do it, then nobody would have died when the Archdemon was slain. If she had some way to go about getting the Archdemon's soul without resorting to the Dark Ritual as she proposed it, then why did she go through all the trouble?

We could undoubtedly come up with some complex Plan B on Morrigan's part whereby she gets the Archdemon's soul but has to do something far more terrible-- but a) that removes the player's agency in the biggest single choice of Origins and would probably be pretty lame.

thank GOD for you.  <3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3

All these "theories" on how she may still have the god-child despite the Warden/Loghain/Alistair dying at the end of DA:O have gotten absolutely idiotic....

though I'm sure some will still argue it.

[iTomes]

why wont this thread just finally die???? its like Gaxkang!

[Verona_Giovanni]

I vote with the girls. If you make a choice that big then no god-child should be produced... But I made a bigger choice with my sacrifice...hmmm? Well Damn. Guess we will see a god-child after all. Probably not this game but the future looks promising.

[Johnny Shepard]

So, this mean that we will probobly never get to se anything importaint about the God Child? If its existence is up to the player then there can't be a game with it as a main point.

Probobly we will only hear about it in storys or maybe in a smaller sidequest.

[Mike2640]

I dont see why everyone seems to think that the God-Child would be particularly significant even if they did make that choice. Morrigan said that she simply felt the essence of the Old God was worth preserving. She never implied that she was going to train it to conquor the world or anything that dramatic.
What the game and epilogue seemed to imply is that after the battle Morrigan hid with the child to raise it in secrecy.
I never got the impression that Morrigan was quite as megalomaniacal as people appear to think she was. She wasn't very nice most of the time, but she wasn't evil.

Modifié par Mike2640, 22 juillet 2010 - 01:23 .

[Malanek]

Mike2640 wrote...

I dont see why everyone seems to think that the God-Child would be particularly significant even if they did make that choice. Morrigan said that she simply felt the essence of the Old God was worth preserving. She never implied that she was going to train it to conquor the world or anything that dramatic.
What the game and epilogue seemed to imply is that after the battle Morrigan hid with the child to raise it in secrecy.
I never got the impression that Morrigan was quite as megalomaniacal as people appear to think she was. She wasn't very nice most of the time, but she wasn't evil.

I was under the belief that Flemeth viewed the child as the ultimate vessel for her next body. Morrigan had that view for herself as well, but (IMO) wouldn't be able to go through with it.

[David Gaider]

RosaAquafire wrote...
tl;dr: dark ritual is a big deal. Will the implications of it never come into the light?

I guess you'll have to wait and see, won't you?

Zhijn wrote...
How do a players savegame import work if they did the sacrifice in DAO but voila appeared alive again in Awakening (if im not mistaken, Awakening is a critical import aswell right?).

Do
you default the ending that the Warden made the choice of giving a
child to Morrigan or will it just be one of thouse unexplained mysteries
that'll never be mention about the Warden?. =)

Your Warden was not resurrected in-game. If you imported a DS Warden into Awakening, then you chose to un-do your earlier decision. As to whether you can un-un-do it again when importing into DA2, I really don't have an answer for that yet, sorry.

Modifié par David Gaider, 22 juillet 2010 - 01:35 .

[Mike2640]

Malanek999 wrote...

Mike2640 wrote...

I dont see why everyone seems to think that the God-Child would be particularly significant even if they did make that choice. Morrigan said that she simply felt the essence of the Old God was worth preserving. She never implied that she was going to train it to conquor the world or anything that dramatic.
What the game and epilogue seemed to imply is that after the battle Morrigan hid with the child to raise it in secrecy.
I never got the impression that Morrigan was quite as megalomaniacal as people appear to think she was. She wasn't very nice most of the time, but she wasn't evil.

I was under the belief that Flemeth viewed the child as the ultimate vessel for her next body. Morrigan had that view for herself as well, but (IMO) wouldn't be able to go through with it.

That's what I was thinking. Flemeth most likely originally wanted the Old-God as her next vessel after she was done with Morrigan herself. Now that Flemeth is dead(ish), Morrigan is free to raise the child her way. Personally, I see Morrigan as a much kinder person than Flemeth, so I find it very unlikely that she'd try the same thing her mother almost pulled on her.

[RosaAquafire]

David Gaider wrote...

RosaAquafire wrote...
tl;dr: dark ritual is a big deal. Will the implications of it never come into the light?

I guess you'll have to wait and see, won't you?

Haha. Thank you, David, good enough for me <3

[SDNcN]

Mike2640 wrote...

I dont see why everyone seems to think that the God-Child would be particularly significant even if they did make that choice. Morrigan said that she simply felt the essence of the Old God was worth preserving. She never implied that she was going to train it to conquor the world or anything that dramatic.
What the game and epilogue seemed to imply is that after the battle Morrigan hid with the child to raise it in secrecy.
I never got the impression that Morrigan was quite as megalomaniacal as people appear to think she was. She wasn't very nice most of the time, but she wasn't evil.

I know right. How could anyone believe leaving a Godbaby (or any baby) with a woman with as much emotional baggage and utter distain for civilization as Morrigan has would end horribly?

[Malanek]

Mike2640 wrote...

Malanek999 wrote...

Mike2640 wrote...

I dont see why everyone seems to think that the God-Child would be particularly significant even if they did make that choice. Morrigan said that she simply felt the essence of the Old God was worth preserving. She never implied that she was going to train it to conquor the world or anything that dramatic.
What the game and epilogue seemed to imply is that after the battle Morrigan hid with the child to raise it in secrecy.
I never got the impression that Morrigan was quite as megalomaniacal as people appear to think she was. She wasn't very nice most of the time, but she wasn't evil.

I was under the belief that Flemeth viewed the child as the ultimate vessel for her next body. Morrigan had that view for herself as well, but (IMO) wouldn't be able to go through with it.

That's what I was thinking. Flemeth most likely originally wanted the Old-God as her next vessel after she was done with Morrigan herself. Now that Flemeth is dead(ish), Morrigan is free to raise the child her way. Personally, I see Morrigan as a much kinder person than Flemeth, so I find it very unlikely that she'd try the same thing her mother almost pulled on her.

I think the ish part on the end of dead is key here. I didn't see Morrigan as being free of Flemeth. On the other hand it's quite possible that Flemeth actually liked Morrigan and never intended to steal her body, just skip a generation.

[Mike2640]

SDNcN wrote...

Mike2640 wrote...

I dont see why everyone seems to think that the God-Child would be particularly significant even if they did make that choice. Morrigan said that she simply felt the essence of the Old God was worth preserving. She never implied that she was going to train it to conquor the world or anything that dramatic.
What the game and epilogue seemed to imply is that after the battle Morrigan hid with the child to raise it in secrecy.
I never got the impression that Morrigan was quite as megalomaniacal as people appear to think she was. She wasn't very nice most of the time, but she wasn't evil.

I know right. How could anyone believe leaving a Godbaby (or any baby) with a woman with as much emotional baggage and utter distain for civilization as Morrigan has would end horribly?

Yeah she disliked it, but she never wanted to destroy it or anything. If she hated it that much she could have easily taken down Lothering herself. If she hated it she would never have ventured into town when she was younger.
She's wary of civilization, which is why she lives alone in the forest, but I dont think it's much more than that.

[Lord_Saulot]

David Gaider wrote...

Your Warden was not resurrected in-game. If you imported a DS Warden into Awakening, then you chose to un-do your earlier decision. As to whether you can un-un-do it again when importing into DA2, I really don't have an answer for that yet, sorry.

Not to get too Off-Topic, but I'm glad this came up since I hope some attention is given to it during development.  In Awakening, you could un-do the Ultimate Sacrifice like you say above, but I don't think you could continue using the world-state from an Ultimate Sacrifice file (like who became king/queen) and then playing through Awakening with a new Warden in a world consistent with that Ultimate Sacrifice file.

But if continuity, and the evolution of Thedas is going to be important going ahead, it would be nice to have an original Warden do the ultimate sacrifice, then have an Orlesian Warden go through Awakening, and somehow be able to retain both games' decisions in future installments.  I don't know if that is possible with what you guys have planned for importing, but I hope it is being considered.

[Brockololly]

David Gaider wrote...

RosaAquafire wrote...
tl;dr: dark ritual is a big deal. Will the implications of it never come into the light?

I guess you'll have to wait and see, won't you?

*sigh* You are one cruel, cruel dude, Darth Gaider...

My only plea is that you wonderful, upstanding people at BioWare don't milk Morrigan's story along with no closure for a bazillion DA games. Especially the Warden-Morrigan romance with the OGB out there. I'm all for some mystery and unresolved questions,like with religion and belief,  but especially in games driven by player choice, its maddening to have big unfinished plots like the OGB start up at the end of Origins and then have to wait years for the next game to maybe/maybe not get any resolution.

Just don't turn DA into a big LOST type affair with oodles of unresolved plots flapping in th breeze, smacking you in the face at every turn. I don't enjoy plot threads smacking me in the face, it hurts.

[UberDuber]

The Fan girls dont want the god baby!

and everybody else does.



So does that mean the godbaby wont be apart of DA2 or any other DA games because it is not a canon? Ahhh this blows its all because the Alistair fangirls. Here I was looking forward to a godbaby destroying things ect.

[RosaAquafire]

UberDuber wrote...

The Fan girls dont want the god baby!
and everybody else does.

So does that mean the godbaby wont be apart of DA2 or any other DA games because it is not a canon? Ahhh this blows its all because the Alistair fangirls. Here I was looking forward to a godbaby destroying things ect.

This is sexist, judgemental, and impolite. I am a female, I am a fan of Alistair (romanced in him two games), I did the Dark Ritual in many of my games and in my "main" one, and I would personally love to see something happen with the godbaby because I think it undermines the gravity of that huge choice if it never does.

[Kats_RK]

UberDuber wrote...

The Fan girls dont want the god baby!
and everybody else does.

So does that mean the godbaby wont be apart of DA2 or any other DA games because it is not a canon? Ahhh this blows its all because the Alistair fangirls. Here I was looking forward to a godbaby destroying things ect.

I'm a fan girl & i want the god baby.
I didn't romance Alistair in any of my playthroughs <_<

[UberDuber]

Im Saying that having the god baby is better and adds more to the story than not having the god baby. The god baby is win win win. Alot of people where expecting the god baby to be in DA2 and if its not ... alot of people are going to be like this ANGRY FACE > then about 10 minutes later there going to be all ( SAD FACE )

[Who is that Masked Man]

UberDuber wrote...

Im Saying that having the god baby is better and adds more to the story than not having the god baby. The god baby is win win win. Alot of people where expecting the god baby to be in DA2 and if its not ... alot of people are going to be like this ANGRY FACE > then about 10 minutes later there going to be all ( SAD FACE )

But Mr. Gaider there said that the god baby wasn't born if the Warden didn't agree to the ritual. He didn't say the god baby wasn't born even if the Warden DID agree to the ritual.

So, people who want god baby get god baby. People who don't want god baby don't get god baby. Something for everyone!