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[FuturePasTimeCE]

Master Chief, Lieutenant Commander, or Captain?

[SandTrout]

Lt Commander at the end of ME1. Potentially Commander by the begining of ME2.

[FuturePasTimeCE]

SandTrout wrote...

Lt Commander at the end of ME1. Potentially Commander by the begining of ME2.

but during the begenning of M E 1 he was already a Lt. Commander... sooo i'm lost... I thought master chief was a commissioned rank (another term for Lieutenant).

at the end of M E 1 you'd think he became captain or something...

[Il Divo]

Lieutenant Commander is his rank. 'Captain' would be the rank above that.

[FuturePasTimeCE]

Il Divo wrote...

Lieutenant Commander is his rank. 'Captain' would be the rank above that.

Sci Fi Military Ranks
so he's above master chief (the rank).

according to this, he's not a Lt. Commander either... just a commander.

Modifié par FuturePasTimeCE, 19 juillet 2010 - 08:20 .

[SandTrout]

Master Chief is not a commissioned rank, it is the highest naval enlisted rank. The officer ranks in the navy go from top to bottom as follows:

Ensign, Lieutenant Junior Grade, Lieutenant, Lieutenant Commander, Commander, Captain, Rear Admiral (lower half), Rear Admiral (upper half), Vice Admiral, Admiral.

Lieutenant commander is commonly expressed with conversation as just 'Commander', even though that is not their full title, additionally, admirals are treated the same way, so Anderson could be any of 4 ranks when he lets you know that he's an admiral now.

Edit: In ME1, Shepard is a Lt. Commander.

Modifié par SandTrout, 19 juillet 2010 - 08:21 .

[FuturePasTimeCE]

SandTrout wrote...

Master Chief is not a commissioned rank, it is the highest naval enlisted rank. The officer ranks in the navy go from top to bottom as follows:

Ensign, Lieutenant Junior Grade, Lieutenant, Lieutenant Commander, Commander, Captain, Rear Admiral (lower half), Rear Admiral (upper half), Vice Admiral, Admiral.

Lieutenant commander is commonly expressed with conversation as just 'Commander', even though that is not their full title, additionally, admirals are treated the same way, so Anderson could be any of 4 ranks when he lets you know that he's an admiral now.

so how come in M E 2 instead of just Admiral Anderson... they still called him Captain? unless it was a obvious plothole...

but why would Captain anderson give a Lt. Commander a ship if he's 2 ranks below Captain, versus a commander being 1st Officer being next in line of taking command of a ship?

Modifié par FuturePasTimeCE, 19 juillet 2010 - 08:25 .

[SandTrout]

Its a habit of Shepard's to call him 'Captain' because that's how he last new him, just as everyone still calls Shepard 'Commander', even though he no longer holds any official rank.

[FuturePasTimeCE]

SandTrout wrote...

Its a habit of Shepard's to call him 'Captain' because that's how he last new him, just as everyone still calls Shepard 'Commander', even though he no longer holds any official rank.

 yeah... in the mass effect 2 sense... 
but in m e 2 he still worked for the alliance, doing N7 missions... meaning he still has his rank/job... 

Modifié par FuturePasTimeCE, 19 juillet 2010 - 08:27 .

[SandTrout]

FuturePasTimeCE wrote...

SandTrout wrote...

Its a habit of Shepard's to call him 'Captain' because that's how he last new him, just as everyone still calls Shepard 'Commander', even though he no longer holds any official rank.

 yeah... in the mass effect 2 sense... 
but in m e 2 he still worked for the alliance, doing N7 missions... meaning he still has his rank/job... 

Yeah, and they called him 'Commander', which is standard protocol for either commanders or LT commanders, as I explained earlier. Anderson wasn't an Admiral until ME2 though, as he got promoted while Shepard was still on the operating table.

[FuturePasTimeCE]

SandTrout wrote...

FuturePasTimeCE wrote...

SandTrout wrote...

Its a habit of Shepard's to call him 'Captain' because that's how he last new him, just as everyone still calls Shepard 'Commander', even though he no longer holds any official rank.

 yeah... in the mass effect 2 sense... 
but in m e 2 he still worked for the alliance, doing N7 missions... meaning he still has his rank/job... 

Yeah, and they called him 'Commander', which is standard protocol for either commanders or LT commanders, as I explained earlier. Anderson wasn't an Admiral until ME2 though, as he got promoted while Shepard was still on the operating table.

I think they're just called lieutenants ... 

[KainrycKarr]

FuturePasTimeCE wrote...

SandTrout wrote...

FuturePasTimeCE wrote...

SandTrout wrote...

Its a habit of Shepard's to call him 'Captain' because that's how he last new him, just as everyone still calls Shepard 'Commander', even though he no longer holds any official rank.

 yeah... in the mass effect 2 sense... 
but in m e 2 he still worked for the alliance, doing N7 missions... meaning he still has his rank/job... 

Yeah, and they called him 'Commander', which is standard protocol for either commanders or LT commanders, as I explained earlier. Anderson wasn't an Admiral until ME2 though, as he got promoted while Shepard was still on the operating table.

I think they're just called lieutenants ... 

No, they're not.

[SandTrout]

Dude, I've spent 5 years in the Navy, please trust me on this one.

[MTN Dew Fanatic]

He doen't have a rank in ME 2, because technically he's no longer in the Alliance military.

[jklinders]

Shepard's rank is Council Spectre. Providing he was offered it in your game in ME2. As the ranking officer of a civilian craft he could also be considered a captain. His time with the alliance is over therefore his rank there is ceremonial at best.

[FuturePasTimeCE]

MTN Dew Fanatic wrote...

He doen't have a rank in ME 2, because technically he's no longer in the Alliance military.

looks like he's still doing missions for the military to me...


from the conversation, they didn't say he wasn't apart of the alliance anymore... they just hope he finish up whatever job he had with cerberus quickly... not that he's fired from the alliance military (which he still does missions for)... 
Example: Alliance Mission 1

Example: Alliance Mission 2

Modifié par FuturePasTimeCE, 19 juillet 2010 - 09:12 .

[FuturePasTimeCE]

jklinders wrote...

Shepard's rank is Council Spectre. Providing he was offered it in your game in ME2. As the ranking officer of a civilian craft he could also be considered a captain. His time with the alliance is over therefore his rank there is ceremonial at best.

MTN Dew Fanatic wrote...

He doen't have a rank in ME 2, because technically he's no longer in the Alliance military.

N7 = alliance...

what's the point of side missions being labeled N7 assignments then?

Modifié par FuturePasTimeCE, 19 juillet 2010 - 09:14 .

[Fiery Phoenix]

Lieutenant Commander is Shepard's rank, according to the Codex. However, you must note that those ranks belong to Alliance personnel. Since Shepard is no longer part of the Alliance, her rank isn't meaningful anymore -- unless that changes in ME3. Take a look here for all Alliance Military ranks. Staff Commander comes next to Shepard's current rank, followed by Captain or Major, and so on.

Modifié par FieryPhoenix7, 19 juillet 2010 - 09:17 .

[MTN Dew Fanatic]

FuturePasTimeCE wrote...

MTN Dew Fanatic wrote...

He doen't have a rank in ME 2, because technically he's no longer in the Alliance military.

looks like he's still doing missions for the military to me...


from the conversation, they didn't say he wasn't apart of the alliance anymore... they just hope he finish up whatever job he had with cerberus quickly... not that he's fired from the alliance military (which he still does missions for)... 
Example: Alliance Mission 1

Example: Alliance Mission 2

In Tali's loyalty mission Shepard states that (s)he's technically no longer in the Alliance military. Unless you're saying Shepard doesn't know their own rank?

[SandTrout]

N7 is not a rank, it is a military specialty and proficiency. You could have a corporal N7 or an admiral A1.

[jklinders]

FuturePasTimeCE wrote...

jklinders wrote...

Shepard's rank is Council Spectre. Providing he was offered it in your game in ME2. As the ranking officer of a civilian craft he could also be considered a captain. His time with the alliance is over therefore his rank there is ceremonial at best.

MTN Dew Fanatic wrote...

He doen't have a rank in ME 2, because technically he's no longer in the Alliance military.

N7 = alliance...

what's the point of side missions being labeled N7 assignments then?

*facepalm*

In ME1 the were called UNC missions. They are called N7 now. Just a fancy way of calling it a side quest. He was not given those missions by anyone, he stumbled across them because he was exploring uncharted worlds instead of icing the collectors. Besides, if I was a special forces initiate, I would not set that aside. That is a personal accomplishment and an acknowledgement of past ties. Not so much saying that Shepard is still part of them. He takes orders from no Alliance official. Therefore he is not Alliance.

[FuturePasTimeCE]

jklinders wrote...

FuturePasTimeCE wrote...

jklinders wrote...

Shepard's rank is Council Spectre. Providing he was offered it in your game in ME2. As the ranking officer of a civilian craft he could also be considered a captain. His time with the alliance is over therefore his rank there is ceremonial at best.

MTN Dew Fanatic wrote...

He doen't have a rank in ME 2, because technically he's no longer in the Alliance military.

N7 = alliance...

what's the point of side missions being labeled N7 assignments then?

*facepalm*

In ME1 the were called UNC missions. They are called N7 now. Just a fancy way of calling it a side quest. He was not given those missions by anyone, he stumbled across them because he was exploring uncharted worlds instead of icing the collectors. Besides, if I was a special forces initiate, I would not set that aside. That is a personal accomplishment and an acknowledgement of past ties. Not so much saying that Shepard is still part of them. He takes orders from no Alliance official. Therefore he is not Alliance.

majority of those missions were sent through his messaging computer, likely by the alliance... 

[FuturePasTimeCE]

MTN Dew Fanatic wrote...

FuturePasTimeCE wrote...

MTN Dew Fanatic wrote...

He doen't have a rank in ME 2, because technically he's no longer in the Alliance military.

looks like he's still doing missions for the military to me...


from the conversation, they didn't say he wasn't apart of the alliance anymore... they just hope he finish up whatever job he had with cerberus quickly... not that he's fired from the alliance military (which he still does missions for)... 
Example: Alliance Mission 1

Example: Alliance Mission 2

In Tali's loyalty mission Shepard states that (s)he's technically no longer in the Alliance military. Unless you're saying Shepard doesn't know their own rank?

 who ****ing cares... like the game is filled with tons of friggin plot holes anyways... 

well my shepard is still in the alliance... his uniform armour still has N7 on it, not a cerberus logo... 

[Sesshomaru47]

He's not in the Alliance because he's listed KIA. I guess that will change for the next game, depending on your choices maybe. You can technically regain Spectre status though it's pretty much useless. That's not a rank, though really.



Is Cerberus lackey a rank? Hmm I think it is.

[MTN Dew Fanatic]

FuturePasTimeCE wrote...

MTN Dew Fanatic wrote...

FuturePasTimeCE wrote...

MTN Dew Fanatic wrote...

He doen't have a rank in ME 2, because technically he's no longer in the Alliance military.

looks like he's still doing missions for the military to me...


from the conversation, they didn't say he wasn't apart of the alliance anymore... they just hope he finish up whatever job he had with cerberus quickly... not that he's fired from the alliance military (which he still does missions for)... 
Example: Alliance Mission 1

Example: Alliance Mission 2

In Tali's loyalty mission Shepard states that (s)he's technically no longer in the Alliance military. Unless you're saying Shepard doesn't know their own rank?

 who ****ing cares... like the game is filled with tons of friggin plot holes anyways... 

well my shepard is still in the alliance... his uniform armour still has N7 on it, not a cerberus logo...