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[FuturePasTimeCE]

FieryPhoenix7 wrote...

Lieutenant Commander is Shepard's rank, according to the Codex. However, you must note that those ranks belong to Alliance personnel. Since Shepard is no longer part of the Alliance, her rank isn't meaningful anymore -- unless that changes in ME3. Take a look here for all Alliance Military ranks. Staff Commander comes next to Shepard's current rank, followed by Captain or Major, and so on.

that's a wiki (where as you could have just edited that information yourself)... I rather read my codex from the actual game... 

but when you do play the actual game, let's say boarding and leaving the normandy... the onboard computer of the SR1 states shepard as a first commanding officer/commander (not a 2nd officer/lt. commander)..."First Commanding Officer on board, exo-prestly relived", SR1

Modifié par FuturePasTimeCE, 19 juillet 2010 - 09:28 .

[FuturePasTimeCE]

MTN Dew Fanatic wrote...

FuturePasTimeCE wrote...

MTN Dew Fanatic wrote...

FuturePasTimeCE wrote...

MTN Dew Fanatic wrote...

He doen't have a rank in ME 2, because technically he's no longer in the Alliance military.

looks like he's still doing missions for the military to me...


from the conversation, they didn't say he wasn't apart of the alliance anymore... they just hope he finish up whatever job he had with cerberus quickly... not that he's fired from the alliance military (which he still does missions for)... 
Example: Alliance Mission 1

Example: Alliance Mission 2

In Tali's loyalty mission Shepard states that (s)he's technically no longer in the Alliance military. Unless you're saying Shepard doesn't know their own rank?

 who ****ing cares... like the game is filled with tons of friggin plot holes anyways... 

well my shepard is still in the alliance... his uniform armour still has N7 on it, not a cerberus logo... 

put it this way... Shepard's is like captain picard's number 1... 

[jklinders]

FuturePasTimeCE wrote...

jklinders wrote...

FuturePasTimeCE wrote...

jklinders wrote...

Shepard's rank is Council Spectre. Providing he was offered it in your game in ME2. As the ranking officer of a civilian craft he could also be considered a captain. His time with the alliance is over therefore his rank there is ceremonial at best.

MTN Dew Fanatic wrote...

He doen't have a rank in ME 2, because technically he's no longer in the Alliance military.

N7 = alliance...

what's the point of side missions being labeled N7 assignments then?

*facepalm*

In ME1 the were called UNC missions. They are called N7 now. Just a fancy way of calling it a side quest. He was not given those missions by anyone, he stumbled across them because he was exploring uncharted worlds instead of icing the collectors. Besides, if I was a special forces initiate, I would not set that aside. That is a personal accomplishment and an acknowledgement of past ties. Not so much saying that Shepard is still part of them. He takes orders from no Alliance official. Therefore he is not Alliance.

majority of those missions were sent through his messaging computer, likely by the alliance... 

Correction, the majority of those missions are commented on in his email after he has done them. Not a singl;e one exempting the Normandy wreck mission was offerred by Hackett or anyone in the Alliance. Hackett offerred the Normandy wreck mission to Shepard 'cause it was his ship and his crew so he got first dibs. Every last one of these other N7 missions was found through random exploration.

[FuturePasTimeCE]

SandTrout wrote...

N7 is not a rank, it is a military specialty and proficiency. You could have a corporal N7 or an admiral A1.

but you yourself said shepard wasn't apart of the alliance military anymore... why would he still wear a N7 armour then in Mass Effect 2?

[FuturePasTimeCE]

jklinders wrote...

FuturePasTimeCE wrote...

jklinders wrote...

FuturePasTimeCE wrote...

jklinders wrote...

Shepard's rank is Council Spectre. Providing he was offered it in your game in ME2. As the ranking officer of a civilian craft he could also be considered a captain. His time with the alliance is over therefore his rank there is ceremonial at best.

MTN Dew Fanatic wrote...

He doen't have a rank in ME 2, because technically he's no longer in the Alliance military.

N7 = alliance...

what's the point of side missions being labeled N7 assignments then?

*facepalm*

In ME1 the were called UNC missions. They are called N7 now. Just a fancy way of calling it a side quest. He was not given those missions by anyone, he stumbled across them because he was exploring uncharted worlds instead of icing the collectors. Besides, if I was a special forces initiate, I would not set that aside. That is a personal accomplishment and an acknowledgement of past ties. Not so much saying that Shepard is still part of them. He takes orders from no Alliance official. Therefore he is not Alliance.

majority of those missions were sent through his messaging computer, likely by the alliance... 

Correction, the majority of those missions are commented on in his email after he has done them. Not a singl;e one exempting the Normandy wreck mission was offerred by Hackett or anyone in the Alliance. Hackett offerred the Normandy wreck mission to Shepard 'cause it was his ship and his crew so he got first dibs. Every last one of these other N7 missions was found through random exploration.

 okay mr. I work for cerberus yet still wear N7 alliance military armour

[Fiery Phoenix]

FuturePasTimeCE wrote...

FieryPhoenix7 wrote...

Lieutenant Commander is Shepard's rank, according to the Codex. However, you must note that those ranks belong to Alliance personnel. Since Shepard is no longer part of the Alliance, her rank isn't meaningful anymore -- unless that changes in ME3. Take a look here for all Alliance Military ranks. Staff Commander comes next to Shepard's current rank, followed by Captain or Major, and so on.

that's a wiki (where as you could have just edited that information yourself)... I rather read my codex from the actual game... 

but when you do play the actual game, let's say boarding and leaving the normandy... the onboard computer of the SR1 states shepard as a first commanding officer/commander (not a 2nd officer/lt. commander)..."First Commanding Officer on board, exo-prestly relived", SR1

Just so you know, the ME Wiki does not tolerate false info or speculation. I'm a known editor there.

[FuturePasTimeCE]

Sesshomaru47 wrote...

He's not in the Alliance because he's listed KIA. I guess that will change for the next game, depending on your choices maybe. You can technically regain Spectre status though it's pretty much useless. That's not a rank, though really.

Is Cerberus lackey a rank? Hmm I think it is.

 right... K I A'ed... on duty... but if he's still alive and can easily be reinstated... that's like saying a POW gets kicked out of the military for not being active... 

[FuturePasTimeCE]

FieryPhoenix7 wrote...

FuturePasTimeCE wrote...

FieryPhoenix7 wrote...

Lieutenant Commander is Shepard's rank, according to the Codex. However, you must note that those ranks belong to Alliance personnel. Since Shepard is no longer part of the Alliance, her rank isn't meaningful anymore -- unless that changes in ME3. Take a look here for all Alliance Military ranks. Staff Commander comes next to Shepard's current rank, followed by Captain or Major, and so on.

that's a wiki (where as you could have just edited that information yourself)... I rather read my codex from the actual game... 

but when you do play the actual game, let's say boarding and leaving the normandy... the onboard computer of the SR1 states shepard as a first commanding officer/commander (not a 2nd officer/lt. commander)..."First Commanding Officer on board, exo-prestly relived", SR1

Just so you know, the ME Wiki does not tolerate false info or speculation. I'm a known editor there.

so you work there? 

[jklinders]

FuturePasTimeCE wrote...

jklinders wrote...

FuturePasTimeCE wrote...

jklinders wrote...

FuturePasTimeCE wrote...

jklinders wrote...

Shepard's rank is Council Spectre. Providing he was offered it in your game in ME2. As the ranking officer of a civilian craft he could also be considered a captain. His time with the alliance is over therefore his rank there is ceremonial at best.

MTN Dew Fanatic wrote...

He doen't have a rank in ME 2, because technically he's no longer in the Alliance military.

N7 = alliance...

what's the point of side missions being labeled N7 assignments then?

*facepalm*

In ME1 the were called UNC missions. They are called N7 now. Just a fancy way of calling it a side quest. He was not given those missions by anyone, he stumbled across them because he was exploring uncharted worlds instead of icing the collectors. Besides, if I was a special forces initiate, I would not set that aside. That is a personal accomplishment and an acknowledgement of past ties. Not so much saying that Shepard is still part of them. He takes orders from no Alliance official. Therefore he is not Alliance.

majority of those missions were sent through his messaging computer, likely by the alliance... 

Correction, the majority of those missions are commented on in his email after he has done them. Not a singl;e one exempting the Normandy wreck mission was offerred by Hackett or anyone in the Alliance. Hackett offerred the Normandy wreck mission to Shepard 'cause it was his ship and his crew so he got first dibs. Every last one of these other N7 missions was found through random exploration.

 okay mr. I work for cerberus yet still wear N7 alliance military armour

Why not I still respect my past. It fits me rather well so why get a new set customized?

Hell why am I bothering it is increasingly obvious you are not being dense but trolling.

[SandTrout]

stop being stupid, please. Cerberus is not exactly a legitimate entity, and they won't care what armor Shepard wears. N7 is the style of armor that Shepard is most familiar with, so that's what they're going to issue him. Just because he's wearing the armor with the N7 mark doesn't necessarily mean that Shepard is still part of the Alliance military.



Mordin still wears his old STG style armor, Garrus has his old Agent rig from C-Sec, Grunt has a unique armor made by his 'father', Jack doesn't wear much of anything, and Tali has her environmental suit. The only people wearing Cerberus uniforms are Miranda, Jacob, and the Normandy crew, and the crew's outfits are pretty much replicas of Alliance uniforms with a slightly different color scheme.

[Inquisitor Recon]

I expect he is a full commander by ME2. Regarding if he is still part of the SA military... well Anderson or Hackett didn't say you weren't.

[FuturePasTimeCE]

jklinders wrote...

FuturePasTimeCE wrote...

jklinders wrote...

FuturePasTimeCE wrote...

jklinders wrote...

FuturePasTimeCE wrote...

jklinders wrote...

Shepard's rank is Council Spectre. Providing he was offered it in your game in ME2. As the ranking officer of a civilian craft he could also be considered a captain. His time with the alliance is over therefore his rank there is ceremonial at best.

MTN Dew Fanatic wrote...

He doen't have a rank in ME 2, because technically he's no longer in the Alliance military.

N7 = alliance...

what's the point of side missions being labeled N7 assignments then?

*facepalm*

In ME1 the were called UNC missions. They are called N7 now. Just a fancy way of calling it a side quest. He was not given those missions by anyone, he stumbled across them because he was exploring uncharted worlds instead of icing the collectors. Besides, if I was a special forces initiate, I would not set that aside. That is a personal accomplishment and an acknowledgement of past ties. Not so much saying that Shepard is still part of them. He takes orders from no Alliance official. Therefore he is not Alliance.

majority of those missions were sent through his messaging computer, likely by the alliance... 

Correction, the majority of those missions are commented on in his email after he has done them. Not a singl;e one exempting the Normandy wreck mission was offerred by Hackett or anyone in the Alliance. Hackett offerred the Normandy wreck mission to Shepard 'cause it was his ship and his crew so he got first dibs. Every last one of these other N7 missions was found through random exploration.

 okay mr. I work for cerberus yet still wear N7 alliance military armour

Why not I still respect my past. It fits me rather well so why get a new set customized?

Hell why am I bothering it is increasingly obvious you are not being dense but trolling.

still having n7 armour, and completing n7 side missions... hmmm... -_-yet still have conversations with the council and anderson... :unsure:yeah he's definitely kicked out of the alliance military, and alliance spectre-ness.

[jklinders]

SandTrout wrote...

stop being stupid, please. Cerberus is not exactly a legitimate entity, and they won't care what armor Shepard wears. N7 is the style of armor that Shepard is most familiar with, so that's what they're going to issue him. Just because he's wearing the armor with the N7 mark doesn't necessarily mean that Shepard is still part of the Alliance military.

Mordin still wears his old STG style armor, Garrus has his old Agent rig from C-Sec, Grunt has a unique armor made by his 'father', Jack doesn't wear much of anything, and Tali has her environmental suit. The only people wearing Cerberus uniforms are Miranda, Jacob, and the Normandy crew, and the crew's outfits are pretty much replicas of Alliance uniforms with a slightly different color scheme.

Not to mention that Alliance Hating Twerp from Horizon is wearing the Alliance uniform straight down to his ball cap. Does that mean he secretly works for the Alliance while pretending to hate them?

[FuturePasTimeCE]

ReconTeam wrote...

I expect he is a full commander by ME2. Regarding if he is still part of the SA military... well Anderson or Hackett didn't say you weren't.

exactly... neither did the retarded council...

the only bull**** you got from them is you saved their asses, and you're still a spectre... but they don't believe in reapers even when one attacked their citadel in broad sight... 

[mcsupersport]

Most telling, Conrad Verner wears N7 armor.







Game--Set--Match.

[FuturePasTimeCE]

jklinders wrote...

SandTrout wrote...

stop being stupid, please. Cerberus is not exactly a legitimate entity, and they won't care what armor Shepard wears. N7 is the style of armor that Shepard is most familiar with, so that's what they're going to issue him. Just because he's wearing the armor with the N7 mark doesn't necessarily mean that Shepard is still part of the Alliance military.

Mordin still wears his old STG style armor, Garrus has his old Agent rig from C-Sec, Grunt has a unique armor made by his 'father', Jack doesn't wear much of anything, and Tali has her environmental suit. The only people wearing Cerberus uniforms are Miranda, Jacob, and the Normandy crew, and the crew's outfits are pretty much replicas of Alliance uniforms with a slightly different color scheme.

Not to mention that Alliance Hating Twerp from Horizon is wearing the Alliance uniform straight down to his ball cap. Does that mean he secretly works for the Alliance while pretending to hate them?

 the alliance in the future is not a brotherhood type of alliance... it's a galactic government with allied forces of other races... like the federation of planets in star trek (creating their own alliance military called starfleet)... 

[jklinders]

FuturePasTimeCE wrote...

jklinders wrote...

SandTrout wrote...

stop being stupid, please. Cerberus is not exactly a legitimate entity, and they won't care what armor Shepard wears. N7 is the style of armor that Shepard is most familiar with, so that's what they're going to issue him. Just because he's wearing the armor with the N7 mark doesn't necessarily mean that Shepard is still part of the Alliance military.

Mordin still wears his old STG style armor, Garrus has his old Agent rig from C-Sec, Grunt has a unique armor made by his 'father', Jack doesn't wear much of anything, and Tali has her environmental suit. The only people wearing Cerberus uniforms are Miranda, Jacob, and the Normandy crew, and the crew's outfits are pretty much replicas of Alliance uniforms with a slightly different color scheme.

Not to mention that Alliance Hating Twerp from Horizon is wearing the Alliance uniform straight down to his ball cap. Does that mean he secretly works for the Alliance while pretending to hate them?

 the alliance in the future is not a brotherhood type of alliance... it's a galactic government with allied forces of other races... like the federation of planets in star trek (creating their own alliance military called starfleet)... 

Wrong again. It is human only. Question, did you even read the codex?

[FuturePasTimeCE]

mcsupersport wrote...

Most telling, Conrad Verner wears N7 armor.



Game--Set--Match.

:huh:so.... he's not a main character... 
 most telling there's a friggin geth squad member...  that's like a major contradiction against the whole mass effect series itself... 

must of had agent smith as a 3rd party editor... plugging in his contradictions and all.

Modifié par FuturePasTimeCE, 19 juillet 2010 - 09:53 .

[SandTrout]

FuturePasTimeCE wrote...
 the alliance in the future is not a brotherhood type of alliance... it's a galactic government with allied forces of other races... like the federation of planets in star trek (creating their own alliance military called starfleet)... 

The Systems Alliance is the overarching Human governing and military body that represents humanity as a whole to the galactic community.

Modifié par SandTrout, 19 juillet 2010 - 09:49 .

[FuturePasTimeCE]

jklinders wrote...

FuturePasTimeCE wrote...

jklinders wrote...

SandTrout wrote...

stop being stupid, please. Cerberus is not exactly a legitimate entity, and they won't care what armor Shepard wears. N7 is the style of armor that Shepard is most familiar with, so that's what they're going to issue him. Just because he's wearing the armor with the N7 mark doesn't necessarily mean that Shepard is still part of the Alliance military.

Mordin still wears his old STG style armor, Garrus has his old Agent rig from C-Sec, Grunt has a unique armor made by his 'father', Jack doesn't wear much of anything, and Tali has her environmental suit. The only people wearing Cerberus uniforms are Miranda, Jacob, and the Normandy crew, and the crew's outfits are pretty much replicas of Alliance uniforms with a slightly different color scheme.

Not to mention that Alliance Hating Twerp from Horizon is wearing the Alliance uniform straight down to his ball cap. Does that mean he secretly works for the Alliance while pretending to hate them?

 the alliance in the future is not a brotherhood type of alliance... it's a galactic government with allied forces of other races... like the federation of planets in star trek (creating their own alliance military called starfleet)... 

Wrong again. It is human only. Question, did you even read the codex?

correction, cerberus is a only human first organization (sacrificing humans first)... yet allows for you to recruit alien squad members (insert more plot holes/contradictions here)... the alliance on the other hand started off with a alien trying to recruit shepard into the alliance spectre program, from the alliance military of aliens+humans... 

[FuturePasTimeCE]

SandTrout wrote...

FuturePasTimeCE wrote...
 the alliance in the future is not a brotherhood type of alliance... it's a galactic government with allied forces of other races... like the federation of planets in star trek (creating their own alliance military called starfleet)... 

The Systems Alliance is the overarching Human governing and military body that represents humanity as a whole to the galactic community.

right... because in mass effect 1 anderson didn't complain about humans needing more influence with the alliance or anything... 

humans are the ones who founded the alliance, when it was stated that the "asari" and salarians are the first one's who created the system's alliance... turians were recruited shortly after... 

Modifié par FuturePasTimeCE, 19 juillet 2010 - 09:54 .

[jklinders]

FuturePasTimeCE wrote...

jklinders wrote...

FuturePasTimeCE wrote...

jklinders wrote...

SandTrout wrote...

stop being stupid, please. Cerberus is not exactly a legitimate entity, and they won't care what armor Shepard wears. N7 is the style of armor that Shepard is most familiar with, so that's what they're going to issue him. Just because he's wearing the armor with the N7 mark doesn't necessarily mean that Shepard is still part of the Alliance military.

Mordin still wears his old STG style armor, Garrus has his old Agent rig from C-Sec, Grunt has a unique armor made by his 'father', Jack doesn't wear much of anything, and Tali has her environmental suit. The only people wearing Cerberus uniforms are Miranda, Jacob, and the Normandy crew, and the crew's outfits are pretty much replicas of Alliance uniforms with a slightly different color scheme.

Not to mention that Alliance Hating Twerp from Horizon is wearing the Alliance uniform straight down to his ball cap. Does that mean he secretly works for the Alliance while pretending to hate them?

 the alliance in the future is not a brotherhood type of alliance... it's a galactic government with allied forces of other races... like the federation of planets in star trek (creating their own alliance military called starfleet)... 

Wrong again. It is human only. Question, did you even read the codex?

correction, cerberus is a only human first organization (sacrificing humans first)... yet allows for you to recruit alien squad members (insert more plot holes/contradictions here)... the alliance on the other hand started off with a alien trying to recruit shepard into the alliance spectre program, from the alliance military of aliens+humans... 

The Alliance as a political and military body only has authority over human occupied worlds. You would know this if you had read the codex. The fact that the Alliance has cordial relations with other races and alliances is really quite separate from that. To follow your logic, Canada has good relations with the US and Canadian soldiers work with American soldiers (both true) therefore Canada has full legal control of the US (not true)

[SandTrout]

You're thinking of the Council. Please shut up now.

[jklinders]

FuturePasTimeCE wrote...

SandTrout wrote...

FuturePasTimeCE wrote...
 the alliance in the future is not a brotherhood type of alliance... it's a galactic government with allied forces of other races... like the federation of planets in star trek (creating their own alliance military called starfleet)... 

The Systems Alliance is the overarching Human governing and military body that represents humanity as a whole to the galactic community.

right... because in mass effect 1 anderson didn't complain about humans needing more influence with the alliance or anything... 

humans are the ones who founded the alliance, when it was stated that the "asari" and salarians are the first one's who created the system's alliance... turians were recruited shortly after... 

Influencce with the council, the counsil. That is the non human alliance group you are thinking of. The Galactic council is separate from the Human Alliance in much the same way the US is separate from the UN

[BatarianBob]

FuturePasTimeCE wrote...

SandTrout wrote...

FuturePasTimeCE wrote...
 the alliance in the future is not a brotherhood type of alliance... it's a galactic government with allied forces of other races... like the federation of planets in star trek (creating their own alliance military called starfleet)... 

The Systems Alliance is the overarching Human governing and military body that represents humanity as a whole to the galactic community.

right... because in mass effect 1 anderson didn't complain about humans needing more influence with the alliance or anything... 

humans are the ones who founded the alliance, when it was stated that the "asari" and salarians are the first one's who created the system's alliance... turians were recruited shortly after... 

Dude, if you want to mash the X button and skip all of the dialogue to get back to pewpew, that's cool, but don't try to comment on the plot or setting if you didn't pay any attention to it.