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[jklinders]

Ma3j wrote...

No one can possibly be this dense.
So, yeah, just keep feeding the troll guys.

Agreed. My silence after this post is not to be confused with agreement.

[FuturePasTimeCE]

jklinders wrote...

Ma3j wrote...

No one can possibly be this dense.
So, yeah, just keep feeding the troll guys.

Agreed. My silence after this post is not to be confused with agreement.

did you know i'm only using 10% of my brain? i'm not even in my alpha wavelength... just the SUB-conscience/betawaves... Secondary State of Mind... 

my SUB-conscience is decently intelligent... imagine that. Semi-Conscience ... 

it's like being a totally separate person/personality in a state of controlled amnesia... the future must be friggin awesome. classified state of mind and ****. must have a very important rank/hidden top secret information in mind... must not be compromised. only non-classified info/presentation is given... 

the morpheus has spoken.

Modifié par FuturePasTimeCE, 19 juillet 2010 - 10:46 .

[KainrycKarr]

FuturePasTimeCE wrote...

jklinders wrote...

Ma3j wrote...

No one can possibly be this dense.
So, yeah, just keep feeding the troll guys.

Agreed. My silence after this post is not to be confused with agreement.

did you know i'm only using 10% of my brain? i'm not even in my alpha wavelength... just the SUB-conscience/betawaves... Secondary State of Mind... 

my SUB-conscience is decently intelligent... imagine that. Semi-Conscience ... 

it's like being a totally separate person/personality in a state of controlled amnesia... the future must be friggin awesome. classified state of mind and ****. must have a very important rank/hidden top secret information in mind... must not be compromised. only non-classified info/presentation is given... 

the morpheus has spoken.

You are a colossal idiot.

[Heather Cline]

funny thing. I've played ME1 and ME2 and I've never ever had any of the codex tell me that Shepard was anything but a full fledged Commander. No Lieutenant Commander or anything. So I'm wondering where everyone gets off saying he/she is a Lt. Cmdr.

[lord berwick]

It's in one of the first codex entries in ME1. Even though he is a Lt Cmdr, everyone calls him commander as it's the convention to do so. Same convention applies to lieutentants, colonels, admirals and generals.

[Bluko]

Okay OP I'm going to attempt to explain everything here as crystal clear as I can, since your original question isn't totally without merit.

For starters Shepard is a Lt. Commander, and technically that's what he should be called. But that's usually only in formal matters. A good real world example is in the U.S. Army and Marines there are the ranks Lt. Colonel and Colonel, yet we would both call two Officers of that rank "Colonel". The same applies to Commander Shepard.  Again in the real world there are whole bunch various Sergeant and General ranks, yet instead of always refering to someone by their full title it's much easier to just say "Sergeant" or "General".

Just FYI here are the Systems Alliance ranks.
Officers

• 2nd Lieutenant
• 1st Lieutenant
• Staff Lieutenant
• Lieutenant Commander
• Staff Commander
• Captain/Major*(?)
• Rear Admiral/General*
• Admiral
• Fleet Admiral

*Major and General are titles reserved for Marine Officers in the Systems Alliance Fleet.

(I still don't get how a Marine Major is equivalent of a Navy Captain/Colonel... of course rank titles vary drastically from the U.S. in other parts of the world.)


Okay on to second point. In ME1 Shepard became a Spectre for the Council. As a Spectre Shepard answer only to the Council. So in a manner of speaking Shepard really isn't technically a part of the Alliance anymore. Which is why you never had to follow Admiral Hackett's requests unless you felt like it. However given that the Normandy, it's crew, and Shepard are all Alliance it kind of goes without saying they still are a part of the Alliance.

But if Shepard isn't really an Alliance Officer anymore, why do people keep calling him Commander? Well it just so happens that Shepard is so famous that's just what everone has gotten use to calling him. It's sort of how like many former Confederate Colonels were still called "Colonel" after the U.S. Civil War. I mean the title became so common place that KFC's founder was called "Colonel" Sanders even though he was never in the military. Anyways it's not unheard of to call former military personnel by their old title. For instance many people would still address a retired General as "General" even though he's not really a General anymore simply as a sign of respect. The same applies to Shepard. Being that Shepard died and was a Spectre he's not really an Alliance Officer anymore, yet out of respect people still call him "Commander".


Lastly why does Shepard still wear the N7 logo? Because he/she wants too. A lot of former military folk tend to keeps things around to show who/what they served in. You know how you'll every so often see a vehicle with an Army or Marine bumpersticker? That's basically what Shepard's doing, since N7 is basically the Alliance's Elite Special Forces group.

Also as for the N7 Missions in ME2, I wouldn't really say those make you a part of the Alliance. They're basically just random favors you can do for your old buddies Anderson and Hackett.



*Phew*

Now for what this thread was originally about. Seeing as how Kaidan is Staff Commander (if he's alive) he actually now outranks Shepard, since Staff Commander is above Lt. Commander. I would assume if Shepard was ever reinstated they wouldn't just bump you to Staff Commander, but probably Captain.

So I would say Shepard's actual rank in theory would be Captain. It just of kind of makes sense and would be a logical thing to do in ME3 if Shepard rejoined the Systems Alliance. Also the only other title I could ever see Shepard ever having besides Commander, is Captain.

[FuturePasTimeCE]

KainrycKarr wrote...

FuturePasTimeCE wrote...

jklinders wrote...

Ma3j wrote...

No one can possibly be this dense.
So, yeah, just keep feeding the troll guys.

Agreed. My silence after this post is not to be confused with agreement.

did you know i'm only using 10% of my brain? i'm not even in my alpha wavelength... just the SUB-conscience/betawaves... Secondary State of Mind... 

my SUB-conscience is decently intelligent... imagine that. Semi-Conscience ... 

it's like being a totally separate person/personality in a state of controlled amnesia... the future must be friggin awesome. classified state of mind and ****. must have a very important rank/hidden top secret information in mind... must not be compromised. only non-classified info/presentation is given... 

the morpheus has spoken.

You are a colossal idiot.

i know... *does a standing ovation* 

[FuturePasTimeCE]

Heather Cline wrote...

funny thing. I've played ME1 and ME2 and I've never ever had any of the codex tell me that Shepard was anything but a full fledged Commander. No Lieutenant Commander or anything. So I'm wondering where everyone gets off saying he/she is a Lt. Cmdr.

that's what i'm saying... Kaidan was called Lieutenant ... and the SR1 recognized shepard as first commanding officer, plus he was 2nd in command next to anderson (meaning he was a commander and not lt. commander / captain anderson's number 1:wizard:)

[FuturePasTimeCE]

lord berwick wrote...

It's in one of the first codex entries in ME1. Even though he is a Lt Cmdr, everyone calls him commander as it's the convention to do so. Same convention applies to lieutentants, colonels, admirals and generals.

I don't know... why would a Lt. Cmdr get a ship (as if he's promoted captain)... if he isn't Commander being promoted captain (next rank)... 

but yeah it's just a game...  beats having some space marine being called a jedi and crap... what the frack is a jedi?

[FuturePasTimeCE]

Bluko wrote...

Okay OP I'm going to attempt to explain everything here as crystal clear as I can, since your original question isn't totally without merit.

For starters Shepard is a Lt. Commander, and technically that's what he should be called. But that's usually only in formal matters. A good real world example is in the U.S. Army and Marines there are the ranks Lt. Colonel and Colonel, yet we would both call two Officers of that rank "Colonel". The same applies to Commander Shepard.  Again in the real world there are whole bunch various Sergeant and General ranks, yet instead of always refering to someone by their full title it's much easier to just say "Sergeant" or "General".

Just FYI here are the Systems Alliance ranks.
Officers

• 2nd Lieutenant
• 1st Lieutenant
• Staff Lieutenant
• Lieutenant Commander
• Staff Commander
• Captain/Major*(?)
• Rear Admiral/General*
• Admiral
• Fleet Admiral

*Major and General are titles reserved for Marine Officers in the Systems Alliance Fleet.

(I still don't get how a Marine Major is equivalent of a Navy Captain/Colonel... of course rank titles vary drastically from the U.S. in other parts of the world.)


Okay on to second point. In ME1 Shepard became a Spectre for the Council. As a Spectre Shepard answer only to the Council. So in a manner of speaking Shepard really isn't technically a part of the Alliance anymore. Which is why you never had to follow Admiral Hackett's requests unless you felt like it. However given that the Normandy, it's crew, and Shepard are all Alliance it kind of goes without saying they still are a part of the Alliance.

But if Shepard isn't really an Alliance Officer anymore, why do people keep calling him Commander? Well it just so happens that Shepard is so famous that's just what everone has gotten use to calling him. It's sort of how like many former Confederate Colonels were still called "Colonel" after the U.S. Civil War. I mean the title became so common place that KFC's founder was called "Colonel" Sanders even though he was never in the military. Anyways it's not unheard of to call former military personnel by their old title. For instance many people would still address a retired General as "General" even though he's not really a General anymore simply as a sign of respect. The same applies to Shepard. Being that Shepard died and was a Spectre he's not really an Alliance Officer anymore, yet out of respect people still call him "Commander".


Lastly why does Shepard still wear the N7 logo? Because he/she wants too. A lot of former military folk tend to keeps things around to show who/what they served in. You know how you'll every so often see a vehicle with an Army or Marine bumpersticker? That's basically what Shepard's doing, since N7 is basically the Alliance's Elite Special Forces group.

Also as for the N7 Missions in ME2, I wouldn't really say those make you a part of the Alliance. They're basically just random favors you can do for your old buddies Anderson and Hackett.



*Phew*

Now for what this thread was originally about. Seeing as how Kaidan is Staff Commander (if he's alive) he actually now outranks Shepard, since Staff Commander is above Lt. Commander. I would assume if Shepard was ever reinstated they wouldn't just bump you to Staff Commander, but probably Captain.

So I would say Shepard's actual rank in theory would be Captain. It just of kind of makes sense and would be a logical thing to do in ME3 if Shepard rejoined the Systems Alliance. Also the only other title I could ever see Shepard ever having besides Commander, is Captain.

thank you... but dude... that's like a WW2 vet constantly wearing his WW2 war field uniform everyday just for show... doesn't seem logical.

[Fiery Phoenix]

Bluko, regarding your statement on how Shepard should be Captain, if you remember walking into the Rayya for the first time, the quarian security personnel will call her "Captain Shepard". Depending on what dialog option chosen, Shepard will say that she hasn't quite reached that rank, which would mean she's still a Lt. Commander in Alliance terms. Just saying.

[FuturePasTimeCE]

FieryPhoenix7 wrote...

Bluko, regarding your statement on how Shepard should be Captain, if you remember walking into the Rayya for the first time, the quarian security personnel will call her "Captain Shepard". Depending on what dialog option chosen, Shepard will say that she hasn't quite reached that rank, which would mean she's still a Lt. Commander in Alliance terms. Just saying.

 shepard's a man... he has a 11in member. or 10in... no ****** (strictly all fo the 18+ ladies of all races)

Modifié par FuturePasTimeCE, 20 juillet 2010 - 08:32 .

[Freelancer rook]

Shepard is Lieutenate Commander.

[I Tsunayoshi I]

Interesting how no one has even mentioned that since Shepard died, the Alliance may have given him some form of special promotion due to death in the service of the military, which could have elevated his rank to Captain.



Though considering that you are still called Commander and no one goes out of their way to correct that even if said special promotion was made kinda makes it a moot point to consider



Also as a former ROTC cadet, calling a Lt. Commander, Commander is pretty much SOP.

[Alpha-Centuri]

FuturePasTimeCE wrote...
I don't know... why would a Lt. Cmdr get a ship (as if he's promoted captain)... if he isn't Commander being promoted captain (next rank)... 

but yeah it's just a game...  beats having some space marine being called a jedi and crap... what the frack is a jedi?

On a historical note, in many instances throughout the 1600-1700's, frigates and lower-tier ship-of-the-lines would not have an official captain in command of the ship. In some instances it would be officers as low as lieutenants. Yet, when on the ship, everyone would address him as Captain. It was customary, albeit technically incorrect. It was a show of respect for a man on his vessel.

So, to answer your question, vessels aren't always run by official captains.

[Alpha-Centuri]

Sora Kitano wrote...

*snip*

Also as a former ROTC cadet, calling a Lt. Commander, Commander is pretty much SOP.

^^ This.

The ranks that people have become accustomed to are the formal rank names. Its acceptable to call a Tech Sergeant (airforce rank), or staff sergeant (army rank), simply Sergeant in non-formal situations. Same goes for other ranks.

[Ninniach Lina]

Future. YOu are an idiot. The Systems Alliance is the UN of space. The Citadel Council is completely different. Think of the Council as American and Systems Alliance as Canada. They are buddies, but the Council is bigger and stronger of the two. Okay? If you don't understand this, I am gonna just have to lose faith in humanity.

[lord berwick]

Alpha-Centuri wrote...

FuturePasTimeCE wrote...
I don't know... why would a Lt. Cmdr get a ship (as if he's promoted captain)... if he isn't Commander being promoted captain (next rank)... 

but yeah it's just a game...  beats having some space marine being called a jedi and crap... what the frack is a jedi?

On a historical note, in many instances throughout the 1600-1700's, frigates and lower-tier ship-of-the-lines would not have an official captain in command of the ship. In some instances it would be officers as low as lieutenants. Yet, when on the ship, everyone would address him as Captain. It was customary, albeit technically incorrect. It was a show of respect for a man on his vessel.

So, to answer your question, vessels aren't always run by official captains.

A good example of this is the voyage of James Cook aboard the HMB Endeavour when he mapped New Zealand and the eastern seaboard of Australia.  He wasn't a captain, but a lieutenant and was formally known as master-and-commander (which coincidentally is where we get the modern rank of commander).
Many vessels today in the Royal Australian Navy are captained by Lt Cmdr's and Cmdr's, and even Lt's.

[Bluko]

FieryPhoenix7 wrote...

Bluko, regarding your statement on how Shepard should be Captain, if you remember walking into the Rayya for the first time, the quarian security personnel will call her "Captain Shepard". Depending on what dialog option chosen, Shepard will say that she hasn't quite reached that rank, which would mean she's still a Lt. Commander in Alliance terms. Just saying.

I know.

I'm just saying if Mass Effect 3 starts with you in the Alliance again (which I strongly believe it will) that Shepard would probably be promoted to a Captain. But yes he is still Lt. Commander technically.

[stormrain]

Guys, there's really no point in replying to Future anymore, he's already admitted to trolling and isn't even trying to hide it now. Still, it's an interesting topic when one ignores his asinine comments.

Bluko wrote...
Now for what this thread was originally about. Seeing as how Kaidan is Staff Commander (if he's alive) he actually now outranks Shepard, since Staff Commander is above Lt. Commander.

I noticed that the codex entry that states Shepard's rank in ME1 appeared to be missing in ME2 (or I'm just not looking thoroughly enough, can someone provide me with a link?), and seeing as how Shep is only ever addressed as "commander" in ME2, it coud be possible that he was promoted to Staff Commander between games while we weren't looking. I like to think so, anyway.

Besides, how dare Kaidan outrank me-- wait, nevermind he's dead.

Modifié par Captain Uccisore, 21 juillet 2010 - 01:24 .

[2kgnsiika]

Now for what this thread was originally about. Seeing as how Kaidan is Staff Commander (if he's alive) he actually now outranks Shepard, since Staff Commander is above Lt. Commander. I would assume if Shepard was ever reinstated they wouldn't just bump you to Staff Commander, but probably Captain.



So I would say Shepard's actual rank in theory would be Captain. It just of kind of makes sense and would be a logical thing to do in ME3 if Shepard rejoined the Systems Alliance. Also the only other title I could ever see Shepard ever having besides Commander, is Captain.

Since Shepard doesn't answer to any human authority, it would be strange if he was still an actual commissioned officer and therefore had any real rank within the Alliance. The more likely answer is that "Commander" is just an honorific. I don't think there is any reason for Shepard to join the Alliance military in any other sense than being a Spectre (and if you have a human Council, then Council = Alliance) who is in charge of the Council's anti-Reaper initiative.



I admit, though, that it would be cool if the Council, Rachni, Geth, Quarians and Krogan all promoted Shepard to Fleet Admiral of the Goddamn Galaxy in ME3

[lord berwick]

Captain Uccisore wrote...

Guys, there's really no point in replying to Future anymore, he's already admitted to trolling and isn't even trying to hide it now. Still, it's an interesting topic when one ignores his asinine comments.

Bluko wrote...
Now for what this thread was originally about. Seeing as how Kaidan is Staff Commander (if he's alive) he actually now outranks Shepard, since Staff Commander is above Lt. Commander.

I noticed that the codex entry that states Shepard's rank in ME1 appeared to be missing in ME2 (or I'm just not looking thoroughly enough, can someone provide me with a link?), and seeing as how Shep is only ever addressed as "commander" in ME2, it coud be possible that he was promoted to Staff Commander between games while we weren't looking. I like to think so, anyway.

Besides, how dare Kaidan outrank me-- wait, nevermind he's dead.

I don't ever recall Kaidan being referred to as a commander, but as a lieutenant.  Ashley always called him 'Lt'.
I'd hope that Shepard was promoted after the Battle of the Citadel, but if not, it'd be nice welcome back gift if he rejoins the Alliance in ME3.

[2kgnsiika]

In ME2, when you meet Anderson in his office you can ask him: "Where's Staff Lieutenant Alenko?" (provided he wasn't virmired in ME1) he corrects you "Staff Commander Alenko is still with the Alliance."

[TheScientist]

In movies they always talk about posthumous two rank promotions, so might a heroic but dead Lt. Cmdr Shepard be a proper Captain?

[lord berwick]

2kgnsiika wrote...

In ME2, when you meet Anderson in his office you can ask him: "Where's Staff Lieutenant Alenko?" (provided he wasn't virmired in ME1) he corrects you "Staff Commander Alenko is still with the Alliance."

That's probably why I never heard about his promotion; I always virmire Alenko.