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[OBakaSama]

Hm...seems like my initial reply has gone AWOL. Odd.

Tevez needs reassurance about his role in the team apparently. Be wondering what will happen in the near future as it seems like more ammunition for him to use when he's trying to engineer a move away.

Ooo...we won! That's a blooming good result. Eagerly awaiting highlights.

Wonder if ole 'Arry is saying that to try and put in a cheeky bid for Suarez.

[Kaiser Arian XVII]

*unleashes his rage* Once again Arsenal pissed me off. Without a great midfielder, team is going to be as weak as Fulham and Portsmouth.

[Druss99]

This site has been playing up for me a bit recently too.

No matter what assurances Tevez gets he will always find something else. I wouldn't be surprised to see him not getting his transfer in January either because of the constant moaning.

Another penalty against Norwich. I should have put money on it. Good result though, what the hell was that Barnett guy at? The Klasnic sending off was um in the rules but...erm...

Arsenal really are brilliantly comical. They could have went either 3-2 or 3-1 up I can't recall the score at the time but Gervinho refused to pass when he really should have. Don't think Walcott's one was a penalty either, he played the ball straight to the defender and then ran into the keeper from what I saw. Bob survives to fight another day.

That Faurlin lad for QPR looks a decent player, very neat and tidy with great vision. How big of an attention **** is Joey Barton? He can't go one game without doing something, his twittering and making himself known during Shaun Derry's interview is obvious attention seeking.

[OBakaSama]

Tevez will find something to be dissatisfied with. Maybe a board member refuses to let him use their private yacht or something.

Yeah, but it's also nice to keep 11 men on the field for a change. And I have to agree, that red card was just embarrassing. At least we were winning before he was sent off.

Well...Wenger did stand up for Bob. Looks like they had a bit too much sympathy for him as they even helped him out with a couple of own goals to let Blackburn win.

Missed some of the games. My stamina isn't up to much of late.

Man Utd had a decent win over Chelsea. And it looks like Torres is showing us the semblance of decent form; his goal was well taken. Cole really should have been sent off for that challenge on Hernandez.

To balance that out, good stuff from Fulham to deny Man City the win.

Wonder if Dalglish has much to complain about the referee's decisions after that loss (looks like that chat has made him a bit quieter). Liverpool didn't even seem to be at the game even with 11 men on the pitch. Will we hear 'sack King Kenny' chants? Or will the fans buy into the conspiracy claim?

[Druss99]

SSN seem to be obsessed with Torres' miss. He is a striker so he is going to miss a few chances, they are completely ignoring that he scored a cracking goal and was a threat throughout the match. I thought Ramires' miss was worse. Rooney was pretty crap yesterday too, its an odd game though I can't think of anyone other than Evra who really played well. Not only should Cole have been sent off but surely if he was booked for a foul in the box then its a penalty. It was vicious and he spent most of the match aggressively screaming at the ref.

Bob keeps popping up talking about the march looking all wild eyed and butchery. Be interesting to see what happens there.

I had to laugh hard at the Spurs - Liverpool match. Was that the ref's disrespecting Liverpool again? Booking players after bookable offenses, can you get anymore disrespectful? No doubt there will be a march and youtube video demanding justice for the North London Two. I hear Kenny and Suarez were being less than respectful......again.

[OBakaSama]

Players, not just strikers, will miss sitters from time to time. It's just one of those things, part and parcel of being fallible. It's something shrug off and soldier on, which should be the case with Torres after that goal. Considering his goal scoring record for Chelsea being less than ideal that goal of his was a great example of the technique he does have. Should he finally find the form that made his name then the opposition will have to fear him again.

I read that Bob seems rather...bemused I guess. He's pointed out that there were far more fans in the stadium than at the march; taking it to mean that the majority support him. Still, he needed a result and Arsenal obliged him with it. At this rate it's also difficult to see Arsenal finishing in fourth; not sure if they'll even make the Europa League places at this rate either. Knee jerk reaction of course.

Twas indeed a funny game. "Justice for the North London Two. Now!" Hm...I can just about see it. Not sure how Dalglish tells his players to be respectful towards the officials, because it isn't working. Then again...I do have the thought that perhaps what Dalglish is doing is trying to make it seem that Liverpool are being victimized so that he can build that siege mentality.

[Druss99]

Exactly right on Torres. It wasn't the miss of the century like SSN claimed. It was on his weaker foot while he was slightly off balance and running away from goal. Theres been worse misses. Ramires hitting De Gea was worse in my opinion, it was on his stronger foot and he robbed his own player to take the shot.

There was apparently only 100 people marching against Bob so I think he is safe yet. I read somewhere that Blackburn only had two shots on target. Its also hard to see Spurs or Liverpool finishing fourth. But come the end of the season it will most like be a three way battle between them.

Surely being a Liverpool player or fan comes with inbuilt seige mentality given their bizarre paranoid nature. I haven't seen any quotes from Dalglish yet possibly because theres no way to spin that as anything other than their own fault.

[Kimosabe]

*Pops up from his hole*
:O:O:OWe won our first match this season last weekendB)
After 6 matches we now have 4 points... 15th place...., worst season start in 25 years
But, with probably the youngest players in the Eredivisie (4 out of 6 attackers are under 21 with our main striker only just 19, heart of the midfield 20 etc, and not exactly the best quality players, it was to be expected.
But this is going to be a great year still because as of yesterday we entered our 100st year as NAC so everything in the next 365 days will be focussed on the 100st birthday of the club.

just wanted to put that out here

*dives back into the hole*

[OBakaSama]

*Peers into hole that Kimosabe retreated into. Scratches head.*

When you're taking the ball off of another player you had better score otherwise you will be blamed for the miss. Forever. Regardless of whether the other player could have scored it. Suffer for all eternity for such a tame effort.

There really wasn't many people at the march against Bob. Certainly wouldn't make Venky's consider his position with so few people marching. If anything it only made them look like the minority, and they can afford to ignore this lot. Now if the stadium was noticeably emptier to coincide with that march that would be more of a concern. I'm sure Bob was well chuffed to learn that there weren't actually that many people marching to get him sacked.

I'm assuming the top three teams are concrete. As you suggest fourth place looks like a straight fight between a few teams come the end of the season. Should be exciting anyway.

That does seem to be the case, but Dalglish is taking it to new levels it would seem.

Oh...Cole 'escaping' from further punishment concerning his tackle on Hernandez. Not surprised really given the FA's stance on how to deal with things. They don't do anything no matter how wrong the ref might be if the ref has dealt with the matter. Pretty sure that the French FA has a different stance on such things; can't remember where I got that impression though.

EDIT: hm...Wenger gets backing. That doesn't sound good....

Modifié par OBakaSama, 20 septembre 2011 - 01:29 .

[Druss99]

*Wonders why Kimo is hanging about in holes* He didn't even give the Dutch opinion on the Europa League. Damn him and his holes escaping our questioning.

Thats Bob and Wenger being given backing by the board. Quite the pair. I can't see Wenger being let go until the end of the season if at all. Bob should have been sacked by now his record is terrible but something tells me he won't be sacked until another yes man is found.

League Cup tonight. United and Leeds, I'm getting nervous this could end badly.

Interesting tactic from AVB...

http://www.football3...s-to-refs-chief

What the hell is he trying to achieve? Does he not realise he got off light when one of his players attempted to end the career of another player? He is complaining about two offside decisions that no one in the stadium actually realised were offside, even after the game I don't remember him mentioning them. How does he expect the linesman to see what no one else could see? Its not like theres even a bad performance to cover up. Has he come mentally undone already? Will the FA act? He basically said the ref and linesmen were inept isnt that a hell of alot worse than praising the ref?

Modifié par Druss99, 20 septembre 2011 - 05:27 .

[OBakaSama]

Yeah. We didn't even get the Dutch opinion. We'll probably have to cover the exits next time or something.

Yep. Was listening to TalkSport and boy...those phone-ins are something. Anyway...there is a point concerning Wenger though; just who could be brought in to replace him? One has to wonder just where the financial restrictions comes from. If it's the board then anyone would presumably be under the same restrictions as Wenger, and it remains to be seen whether they could do as well as him. Perhaps Arsenal have overachieved in recent years which is why it seems that they seem rather abysmal this season so far. If the restriction is self imposed by Wenger...then it doesn't look so good. They were talking about Arsenal being a model club with respect to how the club is ran. I have to admit that if the financial fair play rules were as strict as I had first thought, I expected Arsenal to come out pretty well leaving most clubs behind as a result.

Derby matches can be unpredictable. I think I read that Owen would get a run out for that match. Almost forgot he is at Man Utd....

Hm....maybe he succumbed to Ferguson's mind games despite saying he wouldn't participate. The goals were, in the strictest sense, offside; but that is with the benefit of a video replay and pausing. Oddly enough that isn't an option you get in the normal course of reality (unless someone had the Sands of Time or something....). If AVB does get punished, then the authorities are woefully inconsistent as Dalglish wasn't given his earlier comments. Mind you....do we really expect consistency? They're probably changing some of the legislation like the fielding of a weaker team that got some managers into trouble.

Hm...just read about Pardew's case relating to comments he made, and that incident was a month ago. Maybe we might still see something happen with Dalglish, but not any time soon by the looks of things.

[Druss99]

Yeah I've heard "things" about the Talksport phone ins, not good "things". I heard Wenger doesn't allow tackling in training and doesn't work on any set pieces at all. Could all be nonsense but you'd think a top class manager who does all those things might be able to make them more stable during games and less vulnerable if its true. Arsenal probably have overacheived given their relative spending power, surely if Wenger had the money he would have spent it. Unless he is mad, theres always the possibility he is secretly a complete nutjob.

What a bizarre line up for United last night. Carrick and Valencia started in defence with Fabio and some teenager. The last 10 minutes we voluntarily went down to 10 men after taking off the injured youngster and moving Berbatov back to partner Carrick at centreback. Owen was excellent in the first half but faded in the second which is to be expected given his lack of match time.

Last nights game made me ask do commentators have an agenda? Sky's seemed to be talking about a completely differeent match going on about Leeds fans plucky spirit singing away. This after they spent a good hour in silence listening to United fans singing about Georgie Best, Andy Cole, Ronaldo, Paul Scholes and various other things. Why claim the Leeds fans are singing when they clearly weren't? Also Berbatov was apparently a massive disapointment despite nearly all our good attacking play heavily involving him. He was wandering about laying it off, playing one-twos and through passes. What do they want from him? To become a completely new player in the mould of Messi while in his 30s?

If Sir Alex had made the comments he would have received the letter detailing his punishment by now. Was the Pardew punishment a new one or a follow on from the one he got punished for a few weeks ago? I think the rule is now: you can't talk about referees, depending on who you are.

[OBakaSama]

From what I heard the phone-ins are essentially rants. I suppose it's to be expected.

It makes me wonder whether that is actually true. How can a team of Arsenal's stature handle set pieces so poorly? They just seem completely incapable of defending them; as such it does seem to lend credibility to the thought that they don't actually practice defending during training. On a side-note it reminds me of Scolari's short tenure at Chelsea when, I think, the likes of Lampard and Terry were complaining that training wasn't rigorous enough. I know we have had the players that flopped discussion, but if we had a manager one then surely Scolari has a decent claim to the top of that list.

Hm...commentators do have a habit of talking about something else which is vaguely related to the match they're supposed to be announcing. Radio is probably the way to go. I've often heard that some people prefer radio commentary (mute the TV while watching the pretty pictures).

From your description, Druss, I'm sort of half thinking (can we even think in halves?) that the formation is the wrong way round. Still, a win's a win.

Also perhaps they're thinking that because Berbatov is a striker that he has to score goals (that it somehow excludes them from contributing to the team in other ways).

From August, so probably a follow up by the looks of things.

[Druss99]

Yeah thats what I heard. Mostly just angry taxi drivers and Scousers blaming others/talking themselves up.

Those rumours have been going around for years, I think it was actual Arsenal players that made the claim in the first place. Wenger did inherit defenders who had been playing together for years when he took over so not practicing defending wouldn't have been a massive issue but now while trying to build a new team it seems increasingly absurd that he wouldn't practice it. Again if its true.

I dunno, Scolari was never really given any time to flop was he?

It was a bizarre teamsheet. There were two strikers playing as wingers and two wingers in the centre of midfield too. Apparently the young lad Fryers who played centreback is actually a leftback. Berbatov going back to play in defence at the end was just the icing on the cake.

I'd say Dalglish has gotten away with it as has AVB. We should know better than to expect consistancy from the FA.

Hargreaves managed a full 57 minutes last night. Good to see him back. Shame about the team.

[OBakaSama]

The other day it was an angry fireman....

That was back in the old 1-0 days by the sounds of things. Still sounds odd. But goodness knows, whatever they are practicing with respect to defending doesn't seem to have helped them much.

I've always felt that Scolari was a tremendous flop, especially given his reputation. His record at Chelsea wasn't bad, but certainly wasn't what Abramovich would have expected. I still view his following job in Uzbekistan as a sign of 'failure' to cut it in the Premier League.

But then that also reminds me of that Tottenham manager...(quick Wiki check) Jacques Santini who didn't last long at the helm. I have to admit I described him as the tea-boy given how some of the reports at the time cited that he didn't like being the head coach and preferred being a manager; which prompts the question: why take the job in the first place then?

I know that managers sometimes use a defender as a makeshift centre-forward at times; and now I truly believe that the formation is back to front....

FA. Consistency. Never the twain shall meet. Or am I being a touch harsh?

So immense was his comeback it made the morning news. "Injury nightmare over." For Hargreaves' sake I would hope so. Perhaps the move was as much a mental thing; a new beginning. There's perhaps a chance that if he stayed his mentality couldn't change. I think someone on F365 made that point, and thinking back I think Ferguson hinted something along those lines. Shame Man Utd didn't get Hargreaves at his best.

[Druss99]

What were these firemen angry about?

You'd think someone on the coaching staff would have a word with Wenger if it is true.

I can't even remember much of Scolari's reign. It was always going to take him a while to settle but he was never going to get it at Chelsea. Am I remembering right that they started the season on great form and then their momentum slowed?

I still think Spurs should have stuck with Jol and they would have cracked the top 4 for more than a one season wonder. He was hamstrung by that Comolli guy and his mad purchases. They haven't had the right manager since.

Well if you consider consistantly being inconsistant as consistancy then perhaps it is a tad harsh. But aslong as your consistantly harsh then I suppose its ok.

I think Sir Alex was burned by Saha's constant injuries and the belief that they got into his head so wasn't taking the chance on Hargreaves doing the same.

[OBakaSama]

Oh...Arsenal being the model when it comes to being a financially well run club, but on the pitch things just aren't going well. Then the rant about not being able to compete with the clubs with a lot of money.

I get the feeling that Scolari was forced out by the players as much as Abramovich when it comes down to it. He's supposed to be very passionate about the game, but his training sessions seemed questionable (according to Lampard and Terry anyway). But yes, I think their momentum slowed a bit.

Ah...the season when most of the team contracted a stomach bug if memory serves which messed up their chances of Champions League qualification didn't help much. Very harsh. And they got Ramos after sacking Jol as well. I remember Ramos' reign was pretty poor as well.

That sounds good to me then.

Yeah, Saha was another who didn't really shine at Utd. Just read about this 'kerfuffle' about Hargreaves' comments about the medical treatment he received at Utd. Wonder what will get blown out of proportion.

[Druss99]

Seems like a fair enough comment. Firehouses up and down the land must be in turmoil with the rage of the firemen at this scenario.

I got the impression he wasn't giving Terry and Lampard the "respect" they felt they deserved so they had him removed. Theres been rumours about Terry having a hand in most Chelsea manager's sacking. It does seem to deflect any blame away from him.

Ask 'Arry about Ramos reign. He delights in telling people how much better he is than Ramos.

Saha is a great player but is never fit. The amount of times he got injured in the warm up was unreal, thats why Sir Alex gave up on him. Ah Hargreaves he couldn't just go to City and keep his head down he had to pull the usual footballer stunt of blaming someone else. Its all a bit undignified, even City are saying they saw the medical records and are doing nothing different.

[Norskebanan]

can't wait until Arselol lose to Bolton tomorrow

[OBakaSama]

Two teams that are in unexceptional form, so to 'speak'. Not even sure who would have the advantage in that game. Arsenal having lost to Bob's Blackburn, and Bolton having lost to Norwich (woohoo)...hm...would want to go with class usually....I'll just pop myself onto that fence over there.

Wouldn't surprise me if Terry wielded that sort of influence. The only real problem is whether that influence is wielded incorrectly or purely to sate his own desires....er...that turned out differently to what I intended. Moving on...

'Arry would have a lot to say about Ramos' reign, after all he profited from that hugely. Goodness knows how Ramos failed so badly though (regardless of 'Arry's 'achievements'). Was it suggested that he hardly knew any English when he was here? If so, not helpful.

Still waiting to see if there's more on the Hargreaves thing. There are suggestions it has been twisted somewhat...and I'm already on the fence anyway so I need not move just yet. I think I need a cushion though....

[Druss99]

I wouldn't want to call the Arsenal match, mostly because it involves Arsenal. But Bolton have been tremondously sh*t this season.

Its long been rumoured that Terry weilds that kind of power with Abramovich. Ignoring how wrong your statement went you have a point, I can't see him using it for anything other than his own gain.

'Arry spent the first year incharge reminding people how badly Spurs had done under Ramos and thus he is their saviour. Its a chance your always taking hiring a manager from another league, his grasp of English could be a huge problem. Its one of the reasons you rarely see managers from these shores managing on the continent, most of them have no second language.

Fences aren't comfortable at all. Hargreaves quotes weren't actually that bad but it stank of making excuses and finding someone else to blame. There was no need to say anything really even if it has been twisted.

I noticed Joey Barton making claims he spoke to Arsenal. Again why did he need to say it? It was even better when Arsenal claimed there had been no talks with him. He is desperate for attention and can't seem to function without it.

[OBakaSama]

How many managers can we think of who have managed abroad? Bobby Robson and Steve McClaren are all that spring to mind...wait...I think Roy Hodgson as well. But you're right on the language thing. Generally in the UK we have a poor grasp of other languages due to the dominance of English.

Fences are indeed uncomfortable. *Grabs another cushion*

With Barton about that Arsenal link. I get the feeling it's more of a reaction to what Wenger said in a post-match interview when they played Newcastle at the time and...what did Barton do during that match...it was Wenger's response about what they could do to stop Barton treating his players like that to which Wenger responded with something like "maybe I have to sign him". Doesn't detract from Barton's attention seeking ways though.

[Druss99]

Although we do get taught a second language in most high schools in the UK. I did five years of French and can only say I'd like a potato. I've no idea why that one sentence stuck, maybe I really wanted a spud. We did Irish too but I dropped it for it doesn't even use things that resemble words and is pretty useless. Like Welsh.... and their language. Perhaps its just that contintental types are better educated. Hodgson, Toshack and Venables all managed out foreign I think. Venables surprised me there.

I got the feeling it was more to do with Barton not having said anything to the media in 5 minutes so he had to say something. I just wonder if he is ignored will he become increasingly absurd? It could get hilarious.

Even ref's are diving now too...

[Merci357]

OBakaSama wrote...

How many managers can we think of who have managed abroad? Bobby Robson and Steve McClaren are all that spring to mind...wait...I think Roy Hodgson as well. But you're right on the language thing. Generally in the UK we have a poor grasp of other languages due to the dominance of English.

Well, I remember McClarens brief job in Wolfsburg last year, and while he at least tried to learn German, it was quite terrible, even after a few month. That said, not surprisingly it was a complete failure.
I've no idea why you'd hire a manager that doesn't speak the required language in the first place. There are (and where) plenty of successfull foreign managers in the Bundesliga, but all of them spoke at least decent German. The only exeption I remember might be Giovanni Trappatoni - and even he tried. (Does he speak English? Or how does he communicate with the Irish national team?)

[OBakaSama]

McClaren did well with...Twente, was it? That was before he went to Wolfsburg having rebuilt his reputation somewhat.

I'd agree about the language requirement and performing a job; it makes no sense if the person can't speak the language to do the job.

In England...I can't remember the last time an English manager won the Premier League. All the managers who have won it are foreign, mainly Scottish so technically foreign.

Hm...just read a thing about Neil Warnock being glad when Capello steps down as England manager. I almost sense a suggestion that he's suitable for the job.