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[Druss99]

Nah the morning one was basically the exact same story but with the headline "Note to Warnock: It was 5 years ago, let it go."

There was an interesting point on Soccer Saturday today that Man City haven't come out and backed Mancini. I dunno, theres no protocol for this sort of thing but it does seem to make sense that the club should come out and back the manager. Odd...

It seems Norwich were much the better team today but United got the 3 points. Alot like the West Brom game for us then.

The Merseyside derby was completely ruined by a shocking refereeing decision. Rodwell got sent off for what wasn't even a freekick nevermind a red card. He cleanly won the ball and his momentum combined with Suarez's took Rodwells knee into Suarez shin. That despite not sounding graphic at all is alot more graphic than it actually was, naturally Suarez became airborn and then rolled about requiring treatment as Rodwell was sent off. It was a decent game up until then. Is that the kind of respect Kenny wanted? Theres no explanation for the ref's performance today.

Modifié par Druss99, 01 octobre 2011 - 05:30 .

[Kaiser Arian XVII]

I saw 20 minutes of Everton - Liverpool and 5 min of Roma - Atalanta (which Bojan scored) ... Definitely I watch football!
Norwich has low chance to stay in the league, I think ... there's no expectation for any kind of trophy/cup by them

[OBakaSama]

Ah...right. Probably changed it as the content didn't really reflect the headline much.

Hm...that's an interesting point actually. The most we seem to have gotten is the boss being somewhat upset with Tevez. I think some people have a point about Mancini making this issue public: why do it?

Heard about the loss. *Sniff* To be expected, but it sounds like we gave a good game. We had a couple of decent chances as well apparently, eagerly awaiting MOTD. And...oi....that's just raining on our parade, Jedi! Gr..... Jesting aside, pragmatically I think you're right; but hope springs eternal. Sometimes in relegation battles it's also how badly other teams do as well. Hull stayed up the other season because other teams were worse than them despite their shocking second half of the season (or post half time team talk on the pitch).

Natt hasn't been about much. Surely they'd have something to comment about concerning Newcastle's current run. Quietly plugging away as it were. Impressive considering the transfers.

EDIT: oh yeah, Bob lost as well.

Modifié par OBakaSama, 01 octobre 2011 - 08:48 .

[Druss99]

I think Mancini made it public because they asked him about it, it clearly happened infront of the camera's so he couldn't really hide it. Plus it deflected from the bad result.

Apparently Norwich had a ton of chances and missed some absolute sitters before Anderson scored. United would need to get their form together because our next match is the scum. After another bloody international break. These ones are worse when alot of the games are dead rubbers.

[OBakaSama]

Hm...that's a point. I guess some were thinking that he could have stated it was a private matter and it would be dealt with in private.

From the highlights Norwich did have some decent chances. Some shots went awry; but at other points if the player had passed the ball to someone else they would have been sitters. Though sitters can be missed obviously. That could have been sooooo different. Still, I think Norwich gave it a decent shot so it certainly wasn't a shameful performance by any means.

Agree on the Merseyside derby. The referee was absolutely shocking. How was that ever a red card? It wasn't as if he was far away and guessing; it was right in front of him. He needs to sent away to learn how to officiate because even an amateur could have done better in that situation.

[Druss99]

Is dead rubber actually a phrase or did I imagine it? It makes no sense. Is it rudder? That doesn't make much sense either.

Aye I breifly saw the highlights and have to agree it could have been a much different game. To be honest if we hadn't been so open theres an argument that Norwich would have sat back more, making it harder for us. We could have played better and came away with only a point. Chaos theory baby.

Has anyone seen the letters page on F365? Thats the kind of crap you have to put up with as a United fan, 97% of our fans are short sighted retards who demand that we win every game 5-0 and if a player has made a mistake ever they are sh*t unless they are the current flavour of the month, in which case they can do no wrong. Cleverly and Jones are two world class stars now, Fletcher and Carrick woeful, Valencia pish, Evans the worst centreback in the world. Sir Alex should probably be sacked too for us failing to beat Norwich 9-0. It drives me up the wall, theres no persepective or anything. We have a young team with alot of injuries and players just returning from long injuries, what the hell do people expect? We have been a bit lucky so far and sometimes very impressive but we won't hit form until later in the season when our team is more settled and we have more experienced players back in and on form. I reckon most United fans don't even like football. That and the fact they are constantly out sung at Old Trafford, its bloody embarrassing.

Also Phil Jones is getting on my bloody nerves. Yes he has potential but people would need to stop trying to make out he is the be all and end all of our defence. He hasn't been all that solid lately. His charging with the ball through the middle is impressive yes but he is a centreback and we don't have a holding midfielder. He is leaving us exposed doing something he isn't really supposed to be doing. Its ok every once in a while but he does it every chance he gets leaving us very open at the back for a counter. Good young player but nowhere near the finished article, we weren't even going to buy him this year but other teams forced Sir Alex hand.

I believe the derby ref is the same one who reffed the game between United and Chelsea where he failed to send off Luiz amongst other dubious decisions. He seems to bottle the big games.

Modifié par Druss99, 02 octobre 2011 - 02:09 .

[OBakaSama]

'Dead rubber' sounds familiar...can't put my finger on it. But...doesn't really make any sense to me. *Scratches head*

I think Norwich would have sat back and tried to counter-attack for that game. Did a reasonable job I felt. Would agree if we only sat back then it would cause problems for Man Utd; though the danger of that is, I would imagine, the need of a lot of stamina to keep up the pressure when defending. Psychological too; it could have frustrated Man Utd if that was the game plan.

Sounds like what Roy Keane dubbed the prawn sandwich brigade? I think there's an element of that in most top teams, but just how large that element is would depend. I have heard that the Old Trafford crowd aren't particularly vocally supportive of their team; though I wonder how much of that is to do with acoustics of the stadium. It's also a showing of a belief of something akin to a god-given right to win in a certain way; or players are expected to play a certain way, etc. Man Utd traditionally don't really kick into gear until after Christmas, but they have had a decent start results-wise this season; so it may have increased expectations from some quarters (why quarters?).

Yeah, Phil Jones needs time as do quite a few others across the league in a similar position. Expectations are currently unrealistic (talk of him being a future England captain for one thing when he hasn't really solidified his game and status). Probably be good as a makeshift centreforward for a last throw of the dice I would imagine; or stick him in midfield in that holding role with a license to charge forward. He's still learning his game, and perhaps others will come to see that. If memory serves Arsenal was one club who were going to bid for him, who else?

He shouldn't be given those big games quite frankly. Scratch that, he shouldn't even be given any games in the Premier League with that sort of level of decision making.

[Druss99]

Quarters? Hhmmm. Good question.

Its almost every home game United play, theres no cheering or singing until United score and if they have to wait a while for another goal then the silence kicks in again. Its a mixture of it being kids and families on a day out and people who turn up demanding perfection I think. Away games the fans get behind the team alot more.

Jones apparently wants to play centreback, he just refuses to stay there when he plays. Its great that he can push forward but it leaves us vulnerable.

If I was an Arsenal fan I'd be going mad. They were the better team today for the most part but it almost seems like half their team are mildly retarded when it comes to concentrating, organizing or defending. Mertesacker's height does them no good if they don't use it and don't organize their defence. They actually pushed him upfront for the last few minutes to look for an equalizer today. Then just kept passing it about the midfield, the one time they did pump it long though he didn't bother challenging for it.

[OBakaSama]

I would actually expect the away supporters to be more loyal in some aspects, especially if they're the sort of supporters who live near their team. After all it takes time and money to follow your team around the country. It's also possible that some of the home crowd could see football as entertainment rather than a passion as it is for the hardcore; lacking that particular enthusiasm for the team.

His tendencies will need to be tempered; I'm sure it will be something Ferguson will address especially if it becomes too much of a liability.

I first read that Arsenal threw it away, but couldn't see how after a pretty nifty strike by Tottenham to win the game. Then I saw the build up and....oh dear...Arsenal were napping for that and didn't even try to make it difficult for them. They certainly do seem to be defensively naive and Wenger really does need that sorted out; otherwise they won't even make the Europa League places at this rate. And just to add to their woes, Sagna is out injured.

Seen the kerfuffle with Nottingham Forest? Losing to Birmingham at home, and McClaren resigns with the owner to step down from being...chairman. That's what I call a bad result. Wasn't there a lot of optimism before the season started?

[Druss99]

I see where your coming from on away supporters. I just get annoyed that we have 70,000 fans in the stadium who don't back the team and seem to be on the verge of booing if things aren't going our way alot of the time.

Arsenal's keeper (I can't spell his name so I'll call him Steve) Steve made some great saves in the game. His one-on-one save from Adebayor was fantastic but I thought he should probably have done better on the Walker goal, it was from a long way out and if it was De Gea you know what the focus would be on. I still think Arsenal will come good, its still early doors(bloody hell, where did Big Ron get that from?) and its all getting blown out of proportion as usual. United and City won't run away with the league probably and Arsenal won't struggle all season. If they can keep Vermalen fit alongside Mertesacker it might sort some of their problems.

I forgot to mention two other points from that game. I thought Van Der Vaart should have been given a second yellow for celebrating in the crowd. I know its a stupid rule but you can't pick and choose when to enforce it. Secondly am I imagining things or has Gervinho got the worst combover since Sir Bobby? Whats going on with his hair? He looks kinda like the Predator.

I saw that McClaren walked out and the Chairman is going too but not why. Is there more to it than bad results? I'm calling it, Bob out and McClaren in at Blackburn. Unless Bob really is their puppet.

I was greatly amused by the Fulham - QPR result. Martin Jol amuses me with his comical phrases and losing 6-0 might shut Barton up for a while. Everyone seemed so impressed by QPR's signings that they will help them stay up. Anton Ferdinand? Really? Really? Really? Rea...ahem. None of the signings are really confidence inspiring other than Barton and SWP if they can find consistant form. When I've seen them Faurlin looked their best player.

Also Adel Taarabt walked out at half time and got a bus home. Theres somethin amusing about that, especially if he was wearing his gear boots and all. Made me wonder how he paid, carrying change to the match?

Modifié par Druss99, 03 octobre 2011 - 05:51 .

[OBakaSama]

Yeah. Though I left out the bit about those supporters who live far away from the team they support and go when they're in town. Not sure about their passion, so it's all up for grabs. I think we can only hope they don't become like some Liverpool supporters and go on about past glories when things don't go well; though I really can't see Man Utd falling into relative obscurity trophy-wise. I haven't heard much about Liverpool's league titles since Man Utd broke that record.

Steve seems to be pretty solid for Arsenal this season. Agree that he could probably have done better about Walker's goal. Once all their injury problems have been dealt with and the team has settled I would anticipate them getting back to form.

If it was de Gea though, then there probably would be more scrutiny. I'm sure there was scrutiny for the Norwich match when he didn't play; I'm guessing that's all the ammunition needed for those who want to question his suitability. Goalkeepers are always the toughest positions to fill though. Unlike other positions on the field others can cover more for them, and a mistake can still be rectified in most situations. With goalkeepers' mistakes though...a huge difference maker usually.

Van der Vaart wasn't booked for his celebration? That is inconsistent. This is what frustrates when it comes to refereeing decisions: the plain lack of consistency regarding the rules.

I thought Gervino's hair seemed a bit...off. That would explain it. While we're on about hair though...I remember when Adebayor was at Arsenal he was pretty nifty in front of goal; this was when his hair was long. Then he went and got a haircut and the goals seemed to dry up. To this day I blame his haircut.

I think it's because the expectations were such that current performances weren't matching them. Sounds like typical press release speak from me... I recall that McClaren felt he was somewhat hampered in his transfer activities, so he's probably somewhat dissatisfied in that aspect. The chairman, who is also the owner if I understand it correctly, is stepping down as he feels responsible for their current predicament. Not often we see chairmen taking responsibility for team affairs really.

I wouldn't have blinked if Norwich lost 6-0 at Old Trafford, because as a recently promoted team I would expect a certain amount of being thrashed by the big teams. (Losing 2-0 was rather respectable.) But to lose against lower placed teams by such a margin...it makes me question the team's ability to do the job. QPR certainly didn't manage it in that game. As for their signings...well...Anton Ferdinand was going to go to Real at one point (mostly in his mind despite the speculation at the time).

Maybe he has a bus pass. Interesting seeing/hearing how Warnock was handling that situation in front of the press.

[OBakaSama]

Read about the pub which used a Greek decoder to show Premier League matches, surprised a ruling came so soon. Seeing how the various competitions sell their broadcast rights this could be a monumental shift in the game with respect to the monies involved. Not sure if it will be good or bad for the game though.

Despite the problems that Bob has been having, Bolton seems to have slid into obscurity despite a good opening match for the season. I would imagine that they'll be calling for Coyle's sacking or something similar soon as well.

[Druss99]

Did anyone read the F365 article about managerial disasters? The comments are great, only Liverpool fans demand Hodgson is added. They really don't get that they were more of a problem than he was. Also it reminded me Kenny wasn't exactly stellar at Celtic or Newcastle.

Anton Ferdinand to Real? Hhhmmm...

Warnock seems to be brushing it off mostly from what I've seen. He publicly blamed Toure which is one from the Redknapp book although he blamed him for stupidly getting sent off which is more acceptable rather than "I'm fantastic but you know he cost us the game missing that chance, blame him." Which is the full on Redknapp.

Going back to Kenny, I noticed he refused to talk about referees decisions after the derby and only wanted to talk about his teams performance. He will only speak about ref's when it suits him. No one seems to be calling him out on his interview behaviour, any time I've seen him he has been a complete and utter b*tch. If it was Sir Alex, AVB or Wenger behaving the way he has....

Alot of bar's over here show those matches from Greece and have been doing so for years. I don't see why they suddenly chose one bar from Portsmouth to sue. Good result anyway, live matches in the bar on saturdays at 3pm are a good thing.

Coyle will hang on, he hasn't even come under any scrutiny yet. Bolton are lucky theres alot of crap teams.

Danny Welbeck speaking is hilarious for some reason...

Anyone seen the thing about Chelsea wanting to buy back some rights to their stadium from their fans? Asking not to be held to ransom and offering back the £100 they originally paid for them, so they can maybe move grounds. Am I alone in finding that hilarious? Don't rip us off while we charge an arm and a leg for tickets, food, shirts and general merchandise.

To answer an earlier question. Trappatoni now seems to do his press conferences in English with very little translater.

[OBakaSama]

Read the article though didn't read the comments. I'm sure there's a comedy goldmine there.

That was a few years ago now.

He is by the look of things, and it's certainly refreshing. With respect to Toure it makes sense as well, so it isn't completely unreasonable.

For some reason it almost feels as if Liverpool have some sort of dispensation. Though it does sort of feel like seasons gone by, so nothing has really changed in that respect.

I'm guessing the Premier League chose to try and crack down on this landlady in Portsmouth because it's in England; somehow I have my doubts as to their jurisdiction in Northern Ireland is it, Druss? But would agree that it's a good thing for fans. Looks like the case will drag on for a bit though, as it needs to go back to the high court apparently. My initial impression was that the European Court of Justice ruled that the screening of the match itself wasn't illegal, but the usage of certain trademarks in the screening was. Tons of fun.

He does seem to be hanging on, but I think he'll need to get some results soon. Bolton are at the foot of the table and have conceded the most goals in the league. Current stats are not in his favour, and judging from their last match the fans are getting restless. Rarely ever a good thing.

Interview in preparation for the upcoming England game I take it?

Ah...business decisions. Made sense at the time I guess, especially pre-Abramovich era. Interesting to know about that actually. If I were one of those who had a share of the ground I would be feeling rather suspicious right about...now. If the club really needs to move in order to further its ambitions, which is understandable, and the current ground is to be sold to developers; how does that fit in with the original scheme and the intent of those who bought shares? Hm...overthinking again. Bad habit.

What do you reckon about the respective spoken English when comparing Trappatoni with Capello?

[Druss99]

I think Liverpool get away with it because no one can be bothered dealing with their fans when anything bad is said about them. They just aren't worth the hassle and aren't a big enough team to justify putting up with the whining and boycotting.

Aye Northern Ireland but I think they show them down south too. I thought it would be fairly widespread throughout the rest of the UK. The commentary is in English by English commentators, never could hear enough to make out exactly who it was though. I think the FA would have some sort of jurisdiction over here with their matches being shown in the UK. I know that RTE used to show PL matches at 3pm on a Saturday years ago and PL highlights at about 8ish on a Saturday night(think they still do that but not sure). When they got added to Sky these shows were blacked out in NI despite the fact that we get RTE on terrestrial anyway in alot of the country if your close enough to the border. So I assume the FA/Sky's jurisdiction on the matter is UK wide.

In fairness to Coyle, Bolton's squad is a bit sh*t and they lost their best strikers in the summer. Theres alot of dross down near the bottom so all hope isn't lost just yet.

England press conference.

Can they sell the ground despite the fans holding shares? Would the fans get a cut? Asking not to be held to ransom still amuses the hell out of me. Chelsea too of all teams.

Haven't heard enough of either speaking to be honest. Althought I think Capello knows alot more than he lets on and he just doesn't want to deal with the media.

Modifié par Druss99, 04 octobre 2011 - 07:21 .

[OBakaSama]

*Ouch* That they aren't a 'big enough team' is probably one of the biggest slights towards them we can afford I think. Prepare for the backlash....oh wait...haven't noticed any of those sort of fans here.

I've got it in my head that you'd have a different broadcaster and hence the rights might be packaged differently. If it's also Sky there as well then I would assume most of the content would be the same. Mind you, it's those subscription based services that could potentially lose out the most depending how this ruling goes. (And quite frankly how did the Premier League know if someone didn't tell them?)

True. Also reminds that Sturridge didn't celebrate his goal against them which says a fair bit about the lad. ('The lad' he wrote...as if I'm that much older.....)

I think it very much depends on who the majority shareholder is in this case. And then it depends on the whole clauses I would imagine when it comes to a buy out. Perhaps the club doesn't have enough shares to force through such a decision regarding the ground. It does make me wonder whether the group actually receives any rent or something similar from the club itself. Owning shares that don't pay out would seem rather odd to me.

Given the media over here I don't blame him. Probably better to act the fool in such scenarios.

Back to that article about bad managers though...I see that Souness got a few mentions in the comment section as well.

[OBakaSama]

The news concerning Shearer has been interesting. He doesn't think he'd be considered for the England job, and that it will go to the old boys. Regardless of our personal dislikes of some of the possible candidates Shearer is referring to ('Arry), they at least have a lot more managerial experience than him.

The other thing concerns Shearer's thoughts on Bob; that Bob should have more time at Blackburn as he didn't suddenly become a bad manager. Awfully presumptious I felt, because it seems to implay that Bob was a good manager in the first place which is rather debatable in my opinion. I suppose it is correct that Bob didn't become a bad manager overnight; he was a bad manager from the start....

[Druss99]

I believe they mentioned some sort of non-growth or non-profit shares but I can't remember the exact term and don't know anything about shares to be honest.

Souness has had a shocking managerial career. Great pundit, awful manager.

I find it sad that someone actually asked Shearer about the England job. In what universe is he qualified? Its almost an insult to ask him.

Bob is apparently getting a new assisstant manager before the next game. Bob's record has never been good, he has done nothing to suggest that he is anything other than a bad manager. Maybe he worked hard and spent years striving to become a bad manager but was hampered by tactical nous, an ability to inspire and fantastic man management skills.

Kia Joorabchium has been on SSN claimed Tevez was just misunderstood and that the translater said everything wrong. He claims Tevez said he is now happy in Manchester because his family arrived, he wanted to play and never said otherwise and he infact speaks English just not good enough to do interviews. Now if he speaks English and this guy is misquoting him and he is stood right beside the guy when its happening then surely he would correct him. Surely a Spanish speaker would have picked up on it before now too. Am I expecting too much?

Why is Joorabchium still allowed to work in football when his practices have been shown to be rather dodgy? He also claimed Tevez had offers from United and Real Madrid but chose to go to City because of his love for the club or something along those lines. Uh huh Kia...

[OBakaSama]

Don't know about shares that much either...so I just wing it most of the time. Actually I just wing it on pretty much everything now-a-days. Reading about the Chelsea ground shares thing it seems that the club can't do anything unless they have the shares again (or the vast majority). Mind you, from a business standpoint if Chelsea want to increase their revenue through ticket sales, and assuming their home matches sell out consistently, then they need a larger ground.

Wonder if that would be the same for other pundits as well. Would be interesting to see them manage a team (say a charity event or something) and see how that goes.

Agreed. Interesting to see Eriksson bring up Wenger with respect to the England job.

Well...most butchers I've seen tend to have assistants. Bob didn't have an assistant at Blackburn? That is a bit strange actually. Striving to forget that which he learned...hm....almost feels like a Quantum Leap reference.

*Urgh* Joorchabian defending Tevez is no surprise; the man practically owns Tevez anyway. Would agree with the comments others have made about the problem with Tevez isn't on the pitch, it's the getting him onto it. Joorabchian seemed to be going for a 'politician's stance' which a lot of people are calling him out on. And rightly so too. Now-a-days expecting someone to the job they're supposed to do is probably asking too much, so I would answer 'yes' to the question regarding your expectations.

Well...we've sort of seen how FIFA deals with certain issues, so them dealing with agents like Joorabchian seems unlikely.

[Druss99]

Most pundits are pundits because they can't or won't manage anyway. Its easier to sound like you have all the answers when its never being put to the test.

Wonder how 'Arry felt about Wenger being mentioned. Its a posioned chalice and only a manager at the end of his career should really take it for the big pay off.

Bob smiles way too much when being interviewed. Its unsettling. They ask him about protests and stuff and he sits with a wild eyed grin. It seems more and more like he is a yes a man having to go to India once a month to give updates.

SSN have had two seperate translations done of the Tevez interview and its left me confused. They seem to be agreeing with Joorabchium but then they show the footage of his interview and his claims then the Tevez interview with the new translation and it proves him to be completely wrong, what was originally translated is what was said. I dunno if they are afraid to just call him a liar or whats going on but its stopped making sense.

[OBakaSama]

True. And with punditry you're safe in the job, barring any absolutely scandalous remarks and actions of course.

I bet 'e were well chuffed about Wenger bein' mentioned. *Cough* Agree with your assessment about the England job.

Bob does, and it's interesting that he does need to make all these trips to India really. I think he's right that since he has been there several times for routine meetings then he can't see how this one is any different. On the other hand I can't help but think it's also a dodgy inference (Russell and his turkey). I would also throw doubt on the actual update on the club, as I suspect Venky's has him going over to give regular seminars about butchery.....

I wouldn't trust Joorabchian meself. Quite frankly I'm not sure how much difference the new translation would make to the situation even in a retrospective manner. If Tevez didn't play because of a mistranslation (which I doubt to be the case), I would wonder about his ability to follow any set of instructions as a result. If Tevez didn't understand something like "You. On." then he really needs to look at himself. My understanding is the apparent mistranslation occurred during the post match interviews were it is claimed that Tevez said he didn't want to play. If that was mistranslated then fine; but then why didn't he play when Mancini wanted to bring him on?

Joorabchian is only making things worse from a 'neutral' perspective, because despite his obvious attempt to deflect blame from Tevez Joorabchian's argument that others refused to play is the same case but handled differently by other managers just doesn't hold. At no point did any of these other players (Fabregas, Modric, and Nasri), at least as far as I recall, ever state that they will not play, or do not want to play. Only Modric was close by claiming his head wasn't right (close, but not quite the same point Joorabchian really wanted him to have said). Did Wenger and 'Arry handle the situation differently to Mancini? By all means, yes (although 'Arry is always quite vocal about such things). Were any of these other players on the bench as a sub and when the manager wanted them to play did they refuse? Er....No; that situation never occurred. Again, the closest case with players he cited was Modric, and even he played. What was Tevez's excuse? *Shakes head in disbelief*

[Druss99]

I wouldn't mind being a pundit. Getting paid for saying absolutely nothing once a week with no one expecting anything other than bland comments like "Oh he won't like that."

Bob is a butcher, Venky's sell poultry. Why didn't I make the connection before? Damn it I'd make a terrible Batman.

Have you seen any of the translations? Apparently theres a few about. None of what Joorabchian said matches what Tevez actually said. I dunno why he is even doing this, as you said he is making it alot worse and proving both himself and Tevez to be liars. Which we already knew but he is just offering more evidence. He claimed the question was mistranslated to Tevez but what question was he asked that caused him to say he didn't play because he didn't feel right and that the manager didn't support him?

[OBakaSama]

Cushy job it would seem. Getting paid to talk about football...er....we need a different job.

Even Batman had to start somewhere.

I searched around for them, so....hm.... I think we can accept that Joorabchian is correct insofar that the translator there at the time did a very shoddy job; in translating the question put to Tevez and Tevez's answer to the (translated?) question. But if what Tevez actually said is true...then it makes little sense as well and just shows him to be acting badly anyway. I read on the Yahoo website concerning the new independent translation and...well...I would disagree with their assessment that Tevez said he refused to play. More correctly, Tevez stated that he didn't feel right to play a la Modric. Oh...certainly, the consequence is still the same (Tevez didn't play), but to be fair to Tevez (crikey I'm in a generous mood today) he didn't refuse to play as such. Had he had his strop before Mancini chose the team (like Scholes and Modric) then I think we'd be rather charitable with him (and have a laugh), but he didn't; he had his strop during the match itself. Despite this new info, Tevez is still very much in the wrong and behaved unprofessionally.

[Druss99]

Wait I'm confused again. Your saying the translations you've seen confirm Joorabchian is not lying? The one I saw on SSN seemed to confirm he that he was lying, the translations were almost the exact same as what was originally said. They seem to be focusing alot on what was said after the match anyway when the crux of the matter is Tevez was a substitute who refused to go on, if he had reason not to go on then the manager should have been informed before he made plans to call on Tevez at the very least.

[OBakaSama]

The claim would seem to be that Joorabchian is correct insofar that the original translator for the interview messed up the English to Spanish translation (reporter asking the question) and the Spanish to English translation (Tevez's answer). Personally that's all I would be willing to concede to Joorabchian. This was what I found; I wouldn't think it would differ too much from what you've come across already though, Druss.

The problem for Tevez's camp is regardless of the translation of his answer, the general gist is still the same: he didn't feel like playing. As far as I'm concerned they're trying to fob us off with a change in syntax whereas the semantics of it all are still the same; i.e., despite having said something different it still means the same thing despite the extra verbiage. Joorabchian is trying to deflect the scrutiny from the content of what had been said to how what was said had been translated. As far as I'm concerned he failed (unless there are people willing to accept his position).

It's a (very) flimsy attempt to try and pin the blame on the translator for providing a bad translation which led to a 'misunderstanding'. To me, they managed to succinctly provide an accurate translation; one with less waffle and gets to the heart of the message. (Of course, there are those who would advocate a more rigid structure. Academics have argued about the usage of a comma in a translation as it changes the meaning of the sentence.) No matter how Tevez's answer is spun though, he still ends up looking bad; he was making an excuse so he would be unavailable to play.

Too serious; need some gaffaws.

Corinthians are apparently no longer interested in Tevez's services.