I still think an 8 game ban for saying nasty things is excessive when violent conduct is only a 3 game ban. But theres not much else to be said until the press release comes out, odd that its not out already. Mediawatch seem to have had a similar reaction to Liverpools statement as I had...http://www.football3...0060/Mediawatch
Terry has been officially charged. I'm not arguing that its not an FA investigation, I just don't believe that when it comes to their turn to step up and punish him they will do it with any conviction, no matter what the police find him guilty of. They might prove me wrong but considering what he has gotten away with in the past and Shearer getting away with blatantly trying to decapitate Neil Lennon I have little faith. Perhaps this will be a turning point for them. SSN just said that the biggest punishment Terry can face is a £2500 fine.
Interestingly Sky had Big Sam in the studio last night and he wasn't allowed to say anything about Blackburn, they had to keep pointing that out. I'm not sure if he is suing them or not. I'm not sure what Bobs been consuming but he looks increasingly demented when answering questions. He looks on the verge of snapping, Venky's really can't let him stay incharge much longer as much for his own good as for the team.
Something tells me Tevez will still be there at the end of the transfer window. This new financial fair play rule seems to rule out the possibility of letting him rot in the reserves, that and the fact he seems to be getting no punishment for going AWOL so has no reason to force a move at the minute either.
I could swear I saw Signori mentioned in a bribe case recently. Must have been something else.
Literally just saw the Grant Holt goal, takes some strength to do that too. Nice finish. Unfortunately it was followed by the Mourinho ad...
Apparently Neymar has signed for Barca. Not been confirmed yet though.
That's a nice point by point counter; missed that earlier. Liverpool aren't exactly defending Suarez with a lot of dignity, are they?
Have we heard there to be an FA investigation into the Terry incident? Given the apparent evidence available here it seems to be a stronger case (in some respects) to that of Suarez. Then there is the need of consistency as well. It wouldn't look good if, say, the CPS finds him guilty and the FA absolves him. Also...Shearer was a master of the elbow, could have been a...er...'sports entertainer' if you ask me (which you didn't)....
Seems like that's Sky Sports way of suggesting/saying something is abrewing between Allardyce and Blackburn. Seems odd otherwise. Constructive dismissal perhaps? Also....it really depends on what Venky's are trying to achieve. For some reason it seems less and less like they bought Blackburn for footballing reasons, because their choices make no footballing sense.
Agreed. It seems that Man City are in rush to do anything about him either. There's a point in that MediaWatch article about not counting player's past actions when it comes to transfers, so that would account for why certain players always find another club.
Given how some sites differ slightly in detail it wouldn't surprise me that he was. Remember when the Tevez thing came about? I was reading one version and you another. Haven't seen an article that mentions many names involved in that match fixing case.
From heaven to hell in.....how many seconds? Optrex, Druss?
Doesn't surprise me that South American players tend to go to the continent. Awaiting confirmation on that, but if he is going though...blimey...Barcelona are a good team anyway and with his inclusion (assuming he is as good as his reputation suggests) then....hm....a very dominant team I would assume. Mind you, with Villa out he'd have to fill in quickly.
Nope, did we really expect them to though? Is there any other club with as big a chip on their shoulder?
The FA can't say anything but I think they did say they would have their own investigation after the police one was finished back at the start. I forgot about Shearer's elbows, I was referring to kicking Lennon in the face while Lennon was on the ground, caught on camera as clear as day and nothing happened the England captain.
Venky's apparently haven't even been to Blackburn and only go to away matches. Not sure if thats 100% accurate but its the word going around. Theres doubts they can afford the overdraft and Blackburn MP's and other important sounding people have written them letters but got no reply. Do they even know about the protests? Maybe Allardyce signed something saying he couldn't say anything but Sky didn't elaborate just kept saying he couldn't speak of it.
Maybe Milan don't know the full story of what happened and are going by the word of Joorabchian. We don't know most details of madness going on in Italy, so maybe they only heard bits and pieces too, though you'd assume they would check these things.
I think it must have been SSN I saw it because they had footage of Signori loafing around a training pitch or something.
I'd say around a minute and a half. That Optrex is good sh*t, the eyelid stuff anyway I can't handle the in eye stuff.
I thought Barca were lacking in cash and Neymar just signed a new deal but its being reported they signed him.
Wigan really can't defend and keep shooting when they should pass. Neither them nor Liverpool are doing too well. Matt LeTissier commentating is a nice bonus.
Interesting thing just happend. The cup match between Ajax and Az just got suspended after an supporter assaulted the keeper of Az, he reacted by giving the supporter a good [url=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NLMNFOTNY-4]beating[\\url] (I hope the link still workes, it will probably be taken off yt quick) which got him red (which is the correct desicion by the rules) Reacting to that, the coach of Az orded all his men to leave the field whereafter the match was suspended.
I really like to see what the KNVB does with this, Az basicly refused to play further which means automatic defeat but they did it because of the red card for someone who didnt want to stand around and get his ass kicked...
Bloody hell. He kicked the guys shin with the top of his foot that could have ended badly, I shattered bones in my foot doing that. I don't think he should be punished, what was he supposed to do? Stand there and take it? I vaguely recall something similar happening in England but I can't recall the outcome, maybe someone else can remember the details.
Bloody hell. He kicked the guys shin with the top of his foot that could have ended badly, I shattered bones in my foot doing that. I don't think he should be punished, what was he supposed to do? Stand there and take it? I vaguely recall something similar happening in England but I can't recall the outcome, maybe someone else can remember the details.
I totally agree but the official rules are that the referee has to give red for that... I also wonder what they will do about the guy (apparently a 19 y/o man) and to Ajax. We don't have such hard (and imo correct) rules for these things as in England so the penaltys for such things are usually really low but people wont accept that in this case.
Also, Ajax should get some sort of punishment because the supporter was allowed to walk onto the field, which, here, is about the worst kind of security failure you can have and it reflects really bad on the club. But then again, Ajax is the favorite of the KNVB and its impossibe to account for all the idiotic behaviour or drunken men
I think I know the incident you're thinking of Druss, and I think the player got a red as well for violent conduct. Correct by the rules, but seems a bit....strange considering the circumstances. Where are the stewards in those situations. Wasn't there also a Newcastle incident where a player was booked for fighting their own teammate? Or was it another club?
Chips on shoulders? Hm...no other club really come to mind at the moment.
Expecting a whitewash from the FA it would seem given their previous as it were with respect to England captains. Would still feel strange if they reached a different verdict to the legal court case though. Shearer's elbows are more deadlier than any other elbow in existence.....
Hm...that rings a bell about them not being at home matches; though usually you'd expect that to be the other way around. Haven't seen anything in the way of an update on that financial thing from a few days ago, but their statement at the time doesn't really convince me. Forget the footballing decisions they seem incapable of making, they don't even seem to be making the right business decisions. Times are bad for the club given they lost to a rather woeful-this-season Bolton side the other night. On a brighter side perhaps they think the protests are celebrations of their ownership....if they are the deluded sort. On the Allardyce thing...another possibility is that Sky could get into trouble if Allardyce does say anything about it by being the ones who provided him with the platform to speak. That reminders kept having to be issued suggests that Allardyce really wanted to talk about whatever it is. Intriguing. I suppose we will find out in the days to come, or an autobiography or something along those lines.
We would like to think so. I get the impression that Joorabchian is one of these very persuasive people who can influence things; wouldn't surprise me if he has spun the story differently. But...didn't they see what happened in highlight packages in Italy? Surely that would have made a talking point whether or not the player played in Italy.
Hm...I think I read about it on the BBC site at the time. Details may have been different; just that Doni seemed a name they latched onto considering how many others were arrested.
These are things we probably have to tell the children to avert their eyes from. I can imagine permanent damage being done if we're not careful; definitely a 'look away now' moment I think.
F365 reports that Barcelona have essentially agreed a right to buy before 2014, and if such a transfer doesn't occur then Santos are penalised. Why do clubs agree to such things? Anyway, it would seem that Santos have essentially agreed to sell Santos to Barcelona in the near future. Barcelona have yet to officially declare anything of course as they do not speak about the players of other teams. *Cough*
Hm....Newcastle do not look good now: beaten at home by West Brom. One injury too many perhaps?
Was it Ian Walker that did it, OBaka? The Newcastle fight was Kieron Dyer and Lee Bowyer I believe. There was one in a Blackburn game too in the UEFA cup I think, Graham LeSaux and David Batty.
I image the fan will be banned for life and charged with assault.
Even the Macho Man Randy Savage's?
I honestly wouldn't be surprised to learn Venky's didn't know the protests were happening or did indeed think they were a good thing. I got the impression Sky kept saying it just to remind us why they were asking Phil Brown instead of Big Sam. Though they did have a go at Brown asking if the half time team talk should be down out on the pitch.
I dunno theres alot that goes on over there we never hear about, so I assume its the same for them although a player going on strike would be big news. Did you know Joe Cole is apparently doing well for Lille?
I bet the people filming it were secretly laughing away at Mourinho, he looked like such a tw*t. We should complain to Ofcom.
Barca agree some odd dodgy sounding deals. Its like their deals when they sold Romeau and Bojan, they heavily favour Barca to the degree you have to ask why teams agreed?
Loss of players and winning momentum it seems.
Albrightons goal was 20,000th PL goal. Berbatovs was meant to be a ******, MotD is on at 10.55pm tonight. Well it is here anyway.
Interesting thing just happend. The cup match between Ajax and Az just got suspended after an supporter assaulted the keeper of Az, he reacted by giving the supporter a good [url=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NLMNFOTNY-4]beating[url] (I hope the link still workes, it will probably be taken off yt quick) which got him red (which is the correct desicion by the rules) Reacting to that, the coach of Az orded all his men to leave the field whereafter the match was suspended.
I really like to see what the KNVB does with this, Az basicly refused to play further which means automatic defeat but they did it because of the red card for someone who didnt want to stand around and get his ass kicked...
I watched that match. Really bizarre. Is Esteban's (AZ goalman) reaction exaggerated? Yes, from a spectator's point of view it is. Is his reaction understandable? Yes, he didn't know if the idiot was armed or not. It's the rules that are crap in this situation. Another example that football is still living in the dark ages. Respect for Verbeek (AZ manager) for pulling his team off the field after Ajax' inability to garantee the players' safety, but I doubt he'd do the same thing if Esteban wasn't sent off.
A logical course of action would be to continue the match another time (or at its worst replay the entire thing), and have the red card dropped.
On that red card: I don't think it's so much that the rules are rubbish, after all they still have to be applied by the referee, and the referee took the decision to apply the letter of the law. Note that I write 'apply the letter of the law' because I do not think it is in the spirit of the law. It would be interesting to see what happens with respect to the match if the team were pulled off the pitch as a form of protest; what would the authorities do in that situation? Time will tell I suppose.
Elbows: OK, maybe with the exception of the Macho Man's. Beats the People's Elbow that's for sure.
Ah...that infamous half time team talk of Brown's when at Hull. That was quite something to watch unravel I think. Bad move in hindsight. Was it somehow suggested that Allardyce lost the dressing room or something? (I might be missing something there.)
Well...I had the impression because it was in the Champions League and might have featured in their highlights and stuff. I can understand domestic affairs not coming to light much unless it is something shocking, though the internet somewhat takes away the lack of info. Have heard that Joe Cole is doing well at Lille; good for him. Reminds me of the article on F365 about our players going abroad. I can understand the reasoning why but what remains to be seen is whether our domestic players are deemed good enough to actually play in leagues other than our own.
Sounds like a plan contacting Ofcom.
It is strange how Barcelona seem to get these deals through; there really doesn't seem to be much in them for the other club (at least not from the ones that have already been confirmed). With Neymar it perhaps seems inevitable that he won't stay at Santos for long anyway, but the question is how much of a financial penalty do they incur if he doesn't move to Barcelona before the stipulated date? I'm just wondering if another club could somehow trump Barcelona's deal making it still financially viable for Santos.
Tis a bad combination.
I think we had MOTD 10 minutes earlier (still managed to miss it though). Heard that Berbatov scored a backheel...? Wonder how it compares to the one Henry scored while at Arsenal.
Interesting thing just happend. The cup match between Ajax and Az just got suspended after an supporter assaulted the keeper of Az, he reacted by giving the supporter a good [url=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NLMNFOTNY-4]beating[url] (I hope the link still workes, it will probably be taken off yt quick) which got him red (which is the correct desicion by the rules) Reacting to that, the coach of Az orded all his men to leave the field whereafter the match was suspended.
I really like to see what the KNVB does with this, Az basicly refused to play further which means automatic defeat but they did it because of the red card for someone who didnt want to stand around and get his ass kicked...
I watched that match. Really bizarre. Is Esteban's (AZ goalman) reaction exaggerated? Yes, from a spectator's point of view it is. Is his reaction understandable? Yes, he didn't know if the idiot was armed or not. It's the rules that are crap in this situation. Another example that football is still living in the dark ages. Respect for Verbeek (AZ manager) for pulling his team off the field after Ajax' inability to garantee the players' safety, but I doubt he'd do the same thing if Esteban wasn't sent off.
A logical course of action would be to continue the match another time (or at its worst replay the entire thing), and have the red card dropped.
No, the only logical option is to kick Ajax out of the Cup. They have failed to ensure the safety of their guests, that's not acceptable. Ajax should be disqualified, the red card revoked and AZ wins by 3-0. Anything else would reward this lunatic and it would also encourage others to do something like that in future matches. That's not an option. The Dutch FA should make it very clear that the safety of the players is their chief concern; any form of intimidation is not to be tolerated, period.
Mister Mida wrote... I watched that match. Really bizarre. Is Esteban's (AZ goalman) reaction exaggerated? Yes, from a spectator's point of view it is. Is his reaction understandable? Yes, he didn't know if the idiot was armed or not. It's the rules that are crap in this situation. Another example that football is still living in the dark ages. Respect for Verbeek (AZ manager) for pulling his team off the field after Ajax' inability to garantee the players' safety, but I doubt he'd do the same thing if Esteban wasn't sent off.
A logical course of action would be to continue the match another time (or at its worst replay the entire thing), and have the red card dropped.
No, the only logical option is to kick Ajax out of the Cup. They have failed to ensure the safety of their guests, that's not acceptable. Ajax should be disqualified, the red card revoked and AZ wins by 3-0. Anything else would reward this lunatic and it would also encourage others to do something like that in future matches. That's not an option. The Dutch FA should make it very clear that the safety of the players is their chief concern; any form of intimidation is not to be tolerated, period.
Yeah I guess that makes sense too. Media are also reporting now that this ****** did it because of a bet, and that he 'hated' Esteban.
A 'funny' thing about it all is that after the winter break, the very first playround in the competition will have AZ - Ajax.
What was the score when the fan ran on? The video seems to have been taken down. I don't think I've ever heard of a team being kicked out of a cup for a fan running on to the pitch, at most it seems to end up a fine and having to play in an empty stadium. Look at how often streakers get on to the pitch, its just that this one was an even bigger moron.
Seems Liverpool are in trouble again for acting like angry children with their Suarez support t-shirts. Nice of them to wait for the report and facts before jumping to conclussions.
Big Sam lost the dressing room but found the buffet.
Berbatovs back heel was a nice finish, more of a flick between his legs from a low cross than a backheel. Rooney's was a cracking strike but I thought goal of the night was Ba's freekick.
I'd have thought that playing in an empty stadium or behind closed doors would have been for serious transgressions. In essence this case was a fan running on the pitch trying to assault a player which is a pretty nothing event all things considered. Still think the stewards could have been more alert to someone making a break for it. (There was a streaker at that Man Utd-Inter friendly I saw years ago at Old Trafford; something to round the day off I suppose.) Once the guy was down the goalie didn't have to kick them; not saying whether he should or shouldn't have, just saying that he had a choice at that moment and he chose to kick the guy.
What happens to a game when a team refuse to play? I think when referees declare a game to be abandoned it gets rescheduled, but when it's a team refusing to play isn't that just forfeiting the game? And Ajax were winning 1-0 at the time.
Seemed really odd. Maybe after a successful appeal, but before is....well....I wonder what our recent Liverpool supporter thinks of all this. It would seem the crux of the issue is that Suarez admitted using the deemed offensive-in-our-culture word. I am now curious how Suarez knows that Evra's teammates call him that. It's like a mate calling you a [insert expletive word here] and you accept it because that's how the two of you interact and you have an understanding; but a stranger using that same word are not afforded the same privileges (again, Rush Hour 2 example). Again, context is important, and that is pretty much all that Liverpool can argue it would seem. F365's article covered it, but it is the usage of the word that is deemed offensive. Liverpool, for all their influence, cannot tell Evra whether he should be taking offense or not; they have no right to dictate someone's feelings on the matter. At best it could probably argued that Suarez was ignorant of the cultural differences, and those around him should have made him aware. After all, if it really is unoffensive then he probably called Glen Johnson that, right? And if not, why not? I noticed there's been a bit of a backlash against Liverpool's stance on the issue. Wonder how all this will play out as a result.
While still on Liverpool, read the claims apparently made by Torres about his exit from the club. Will there be a mistranslation? It sounds like that Torres didn't want to hang around for the club to start achieving things. The claim that the club lied to him...I thought I was reading about Tevez for a moment.
Mmmm...buffet..... And maybe Bob can put on a better spread so that everyone found the buffet, hence the support he gets.
Yeah I think I worded it badly, I meant at most an empty stadium but thats for constant offenses I think. I can't see Ajax being thrown out otherwise they would be throwing teams out every time theres a streaker or fans invading the pitch after a promotion or something similar, getting promoted and then kicked out of the league would be pretty comical though.
I think a 3-0 defeat for the team walking off is the usual practice isn't it? Maybe United should have tried that when City were 6-1 up on us.
They seem to keep pointing to Evra's past problems too without ever bothering to point out that the previous incident was someone accused of aiming racist abuse at Evra which Evra said he didn't hear and didn't believe the guy was a racist. So the constant claiming that he has had previous is ridiculous. Interesting you bring Glen Johnson into it as he has come out and backed Suarez, probably because as you say he didn't say anything like that to Johnson and Johnson has bought into the poor us Liverpool mentality. If its so unoffensive why was he using it during an attempt to wind up an opponent too? Apparently it will be weeks before the official statement is released with Christmas and all.
Wonder what kind of lies he thinks they told him? I will give him credit though he didn't blame anyone else for his poor form or make any excuses he seemed to accept responsibility and atleast expressed a good attitude. Remains to be seen if his actions will live up to that.
Bob's buffet the key to keeping him employed? I do enjoy a good buffet and can see the merits of keeping someone in a job to provide one.
I always thought it would be pretty comical to win a domestic cup and play in Europe. Then Birmingham went and beat Arsenal to qualify for the Europa League and were relegated.... Actually, would be funnier still if Birmingham could have won the Europa League and still be in the Championship.
The automatic 3-0 loss seems to be standard. But checking out the Sky Sports website for the Eredivisie *gasp* apparently the Dutch FA have three options: continue the game, replay the game, or to award Ajax the win as the game stands. Oh...seems like the red card has now been overturned by the Dutch FA (KNVB). Seems reasonable enough, but what of the match?
Indeed. The more we speculate on the usage the less sense things seem to make; because Suarez's defence is that the term he used is supposed to be common to those of his culture. Yet a black teammate of his has not seemingly been called it, and if he had they had not warned him to not use it with black players of other clubs? Siege mentality or no, it doesn't make sense. Also agree with some article, or was it the F365 mailbox, that the siege mentality is really only justified if it brings results (of the good kind of course). Currently....Liverpool's form has been somewhat indifferent.
Goodness knows; Torres keeps teasing the fans that 'they don't know the real reasons why I left', but doesn't release any details that clarifies his side of the story, just things that are pretty vague. What did the new owners promise him? Only the involved parties know. Though he did seem to suggest that he can't be part of the long term project they wanted to enact. The owners seem to be level headed businessmen and seem to be the sort who are willing to bide their time, which may continue after the end of Torres' career for all we know. And having been so close to the league that year with Benitez, and let's not forget that Torres thinks the world of him, it may be that he can't see Liverpool challenging for the league while trying to fulfill this project. Agreed that Torres expresses a good attitude with regards to his current predicament; it remains to be seen if he has peaked and is now past his prime (reminds me of those development charts in the old PES games).
Even more so as I expect that Bob can also prepare a good decent Christmas buffet as well. (For some reason the old adage of "the way to a man's heart is through his stomach" comes to mind....might actually explain a few things........) Come to think of it, he probably even prepared the chicken they used for that Venky's advert with some of the players. Energy boosting chicken drumsticks instead of the old half time oranges! That'll get them going. Maybe.
Hm...just read that Alan Hansen has just had to issue an apology for using an inappropriate word. Did plan to write a fair bit more on that but...have decided not to. Let's just say that the race issue in England has now come to the forefront of attention.
I miss the days when we can just laugh at Tevez.....
Did you see the inappropriate word? It was either "coloured" or "people of colour" he said. The horrible horrible racist, clearly Hansen should be banned from TV and shot into space. I notice the FA and English media seem to keep harping on about things like "showing FIFA and UEFA how its done" and showing those horrible foreigners how to crack down. Its never occurred to them that they have as big a problem as FIFA or UEFA with their overly enthusiastic crack down, I still think an 8 game ban for saying nasty things is insane when violent conduct is a 3 game ban.
I think the seige mentality thing was the mailbox. Odd of them to release the verdict so long before the written version but atleast its taken a bit of heat of Bob. Liverpool have made a mess of it and its almost too late for them to apologise or back down, they have to remain obstinate about the whole thing now to save face despite having no face left to save.
Until Torres is willing to tell the whole story he needs to shut up about it. He looks like he has no confidence at all when he plays, whatever happened to him. Like he wants the ball but then is kind of afraid when he gets it.
I notice alot of managers are coming out condemning the treatment of Bob, Bob took a job he wasn't qualified for and has done pretty bad at it even before the injury problems, he is also the public face of an organisation running their club into the ground so why shouldn't the fans protest? My other question is did they offer the same support to Hodgson at Liverpool? I can't recall. He got similar treatment despite having a record far superior to Bob's and around the same as the current saviours. Do chicken drumsticks boost energy? Colonel Sanders would be disgusted with the way Blackburn is being run.
Hope wenger lets the purse strings go and invests in the squad properly this jan instead of waiting till the last minute to add quality players to the squad .
On Hansen: yeah, I read about it so I knew at the time. I actually deleted most of the post I had originally written before I posted what is actually there in case I overstepped the mark for the mods here. As an ethnic minority I think the situation with Hansen is just...well...the reaction is somewhat daft and oversensitive. To me it just sounds old-fashioned. Rohan Ricketts I read was absolutely furious with Hansen though.
The ban: for Suarez still has that cultural thing, though I still find holes in that explanation, so eight games is seemingly excessive. If Terry on the other hand was found guilty then perhaps not; he should be well aware of the culture he is in and what is acceptable or not (again depending on whether he is guilty or not). I get the feeling that these cases would be considered hate crimes, and they need a hefty dose of intention to come out. A broken leg, or a severe injury causing tackle, can be accidental with no intent (though that's not to say that broken legs or injuries inflicted are not malicious as they sometimes are); so they carry less intentional weight as it were because it is more difficult to discern the tackler's intentions. I think that's the reasoning behind it. Remember when Cantona kicked that...Crystal Palace fan was it? He got hit with an eight month ban or something. That was obviously intentional on Cantona's part because it cannot be accidental to kick like that. Basic reasoning seems to be 'it's the thought that counts' in the current cases I believe, and if the intention is there it could escalate.
Torres: yeah, agreed. He should really just give his side of the story or stay schtum about it.
Bob: Moyes walked out during a match because he thought the fans were going too far. I can understand the LMA defending Bob, and certainly see why managers are giving him support as well. I don't know what is being chanted but it seems to be pretty bad for so many to come out and support him at this time. While Bob isn't managerial material it is still Venky's bizarre choice of putting him into that position in the first place, and their subsequent apparent mismanagement of the club which exasperates the situation for the fans. And giving him a new contract when the team aren't doing well as well? How strange is that? Chris Houghton was doing quite well at Newcastle and was still sacked for Ashley to get Pardew in. I take it that the chants and protests are hitting a more personal level rather than the job-he-is-doing level as it were. Personally think that's uncalled for, if that's the case, and more ire needs to be directed at Venky's I think. Also think the way for the owners to take notice of these things is to do it with money, i.e., stay away from the matches; though that never seems to ever come to the fore as a way of protest. Shame if the owners can only talk money. Personally disgusted be the lack of taste of Colonel Sanders' products in recent times, what have they done?
Wenger loosening the purse strings....will believe it when we see it. Interesting to see all the Henry talk. Will be interesting to see it actually happen.
My first thought on the Hansen things is...who is Rohan Ricketts? Is coloured actually offensive? I thought thats what the acceptable word is now instead of black. Its all getting confusing and out of hand and I'm often glad I live on an island of pig ignorant gits who communicate via verbal abuse. Its hard to offend people around here, unless they are looking to be offended.
Cantona actually jumped into the crowd to assault someone though, thats very different from something that happens on the pitch and was treated as such. I'm not saying Suarez shouldn't be punished or banned but 8 games to me is excessive. The Terry incident is a strange mix of the two, be very interesting to see how that turns out. I see your point about hate crimes but at the end of the day its still just words, they were keen to point out Suarez isn't a racist he just said a racist word, I'm not sure if that still elevates it to hate crime levels. I'm tired of the whole thing to be honest, all this because one grown man said something to another grown man who I'm pretty sure had a few things to say himself throughout the match.
Yeah it was the Bolton match Moyes walked out of. I didn't hear anything other than Kean out chants, nothing any worse than the Hodgson for England chants from the greatest fans in the world last season. Bob to me is as culpable as Venky's, theres something very dodgy about how he got the job and the way his agent is involved in the club, if Venky's aren't going to show up then he has to accept he is going to take the abuse as their henchman and public face. Personally I think they should be protesting this agent of his as much as Bob himself.
Wenger seems to be talking loan moves, I can't see him spending big, he is more stubborn than Sir Alex.
AC Milan have promised Tevez they will wait until the end of the month for him. I hope they get what they deserve pursuing him.
Apparently some people think it is. I don't have a problem with it myself, but some have really been having a go. *Shrugs* I think the politically correct term is 'ethnic minority' now.
Yeah, pretty much what I was trying to draw out. Cantona jumping in like that was assault (not accidental) and was treated as such; on the pitch such intentions aren't easily seen hence the lesser punishment. And I also agree that Suarez's ban is somewhat excessive given the circumstances and the cultural background involved; if anything perhaps the FA didn't give it as much consideration as the case perhaps needed. Terry....well...let's see what happens. The use of 'hate crime' was used to the extreme, and perhaps that's what those in the upper echelons of power had in mind (you never know with these types). Now...almost tempted to bring in Blatter at this point. *Cough*
Hm...seems a bit mild and run-of-the-mill then if all the chanting was just 'Kean out' (oh look, use of his actual name!). I was under the impression that it was a lot worse given the reaction of the other managers and the LMA. His whole tenure has been odd really; can still understand being the caretaker but to be given the job proper is still.....I don't know. Is Bob's agent the same guy mentioned a while back linked to player acquisitions? If so...dodgy.
I would like to put it down as an age thing. Wenger has been so shrewd for so many years I think he's gotten used to operating like that.
*Heh* That would be something. Actually, I would have thought Tevez would've taken up golf professionally at this rate. Wasn't there talk of AC giving up on Tevez and are focusing on trying to get Torres?
Looking at the F365 look-alikes thing I'm still waiting for the Blanka-Tevez to come out....
I think some are using the current focus to jump on the bandwagon and be offended.
Its a whole can of worms though, what about intentionally elbowing someone in the face? We have slowly entered into a nightmare scenario.
Well thats the only thing I heard while watching the match, maybe there was worse, but all I picked up was variations on Kean Out and claims he doesn't know what he's doing. Which I think is fair comment. Yeah Jerome Anderson is apparently Bob's agent too, which adds to the murk of it all.
Wenger did spend big when he first arrived, its only the last few years he has gotten like this I think. Its questionable if the board are really giving him the cash or are they happy making the CL?
Tevez is going to need a while to get back to fitness too, which will no doubt cause him to b*tch and moan for ages. How long's it been since he even played? It wasn't the Bayern game anyway.
Did you see the one the other day? Oriel Romeau and The Kurgan from Highlander. I laughed at that.
Indeed they are, and it's getting a touch out of hand to put it mildly.
It is, that's the problem when it comes to intentions. You hear the pundits debate it with certain tackles, and as outside observers we can never be certain.
I've always questioned whether Wenger ever has the funds the board always seem to suggest he has. If managers can build up a war chest, that is keep any unspent funds, then Wenger has a ton at his disposal. Personally of the opinion that he is partially hampered by the move to the Emirates; and once the debt and stuff for that is mostly dealt with we might see a slight shift in spending.
Then he'll complain about being made to play while still unfit, and then can complain that he plays too much when he is fit, and then complains he is made to play against his will and is a violation of his human rights, and then...... *cough* Yeah, that'll be Tevez. Had to be before the Bayern game as he 'refused to warm up' for that one (cue the current shenanigans).
Yep. They do find some good ones.
Almost touching on the race thing. Read about Chelsea deciding against wearing T-shirts in support of Terry? It seems the players want to, but the powers that be don't think it's a good idea. Have to admit I think it's different to the Liverpool situation. No verdict has been reached so it seems fair to support Terry (innocent until proven guilty), yet Suarez was charged and then the T-shirt support was made (the timing was poor to say the least).
Hm...Norwich not in action on Boxing Day...late kick off on Tuesday as well. Should be an interesting match against Tottenham. Hoping for a good result.
About the Az keeper incident. Well, to be honest, I thought a red card was appropriate if thats what the rule book says, but every incident is different, and it seems a bit harsh in this scenario. That fan was going out there with the intent to hurt the keeper, what do you expect him to do? As long as the keeper and/or the clubs do not get seriously reprimanded, it is the right decision. Kimo, whats the general reaction and mood of the fans over in the Netherlands? Is it a big deal or not so big of a deal? I can't comment on the Terry incident, but an 8 match ban for Suarez is definately too harsh. I'm right there with you Druss, how do they only give Rooney a 3 match ban for that tackle and Suarez a whopping 8 for a racist incident? Racism is a terrible problem, but it does not trump physical violence. Is it the FA handing down these decisions? If so, then there may be so unabashed bias here, since Suarez doesn't play on the English national squad and Rooney does.
Neymar is going to Barcelona? This news I can't say I'm happy to hear. Barca are already stacked with talent, how about sharing some of it? Alexis is a player who I know will do alright because he is so versatile, but Neymar is a little bit more of a delicate flower. He needs space for those beautiful runs, and Barca play their own brand of football, very compact. The stars of Barca are already established: Xavi, Messi, and Iniesta. He is used to being pivotal to his team, and he won't be if he goes to Barcelona. If he went to the Italian league (and I am specifically thinking of Inter, like Ronaldo before him) he would find the space and the teamates to help him develop as a player. Also, personality-wise, Neymar has a bit of an ego. So much of form is dependant on feeling good, feeling comfortable, and I am telling you guys, his ego will be cooled if he goes to Barcelona, where there are already so many other good players. Somebody get me Neymar on the phone, I need to talk some sense into this kid.
Obaka, same here! lol Curse those late equalizers hehe. Do you ever shake your fist at the heavens as if to say "Damn you fate, why must you be this way!" lol Norwich have really looked solid in defense, and if they stay in form and as they continue getting more and more comfortable in the Premiership, I don't see why they can't stay at mid table, even the top half.
In that video Obaka, Tevez actually didn't say anything about Man City, it was the singer who said the bad stuff. I bet Tevez right now just wants to play football already. I watch Milan, and to be honest he would be a pretty good fit in Milan. Druss, do you dislike Tevez so much because he left Man Utd for Man City that summer? He is a good footballer, but Man U have moved on and Sir Alex has really built up a new side (I think he still needs a midfielder and injuries have really plagued United this year). I really think you should move on as well. (What is this, a breakup?!)
Ok, got some goals and interesting vids here: (Also, a compilation of an aforementioned fenomeno...such beauty, poetry in motion)
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