Been while since I managed to pull myself away from work, so it's nice to pop back in to see how things are going. Certainly couldn't help it after Ferguson announcing his retirement. And with the confirmation that Moyes will replace him....sort of surprised the board went with his recommendation to be honest. Personally think that Moyes will do a good job at Man Utd if given the chance given the job he's done at Everton, so good luck to him.
Barcelona's key players are aging (as is any person....), and that seems quite significant in some aspects. Getting someone like Fabregas back was keeping an eye on that development surely? I'm also under the impression that injuries haven't helped them much, but then I'd expect them to still play good football. That they were hammered in the Champions League suggests the depth of their squad is lacking.
Anyway....managerial merry-go-rounds forthcoming. (Chuckled when I read that Mark Hughes refused to rule himself out of the Everton job.....)
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I'm happy enough with Moyes, I just hope he is given enough time and our notoriously fickle fans don't hound him out when things don't go perfect right away. I also expect us to finally sign a midfielder now too. The Rooney situation is going to be interesting, I expect(hope) he will leave.
The new managers health problems also hampered them I think. Who is Fabregas meant to be replacing though? They seem to play him upfront any time I've seen him play for them. I think Barca are a team in transition to a degree and in Europe they have come up against teams on the rise. Dominance like theirs rarely lasts in football, it's not like they are a disaster now either, semi's of the CL and walking away with the league is not to be sniffed at.
Hughes was on SSN pimping himself for the job. He did well at Blackburn and Fulham, so maybe a team where he has no money again will do him some good.
The new managers health problems also hampered them I think. Who is Fabregas meant to be replacing though? They seem to play him upfront any time I've seen him play for them. I think Barca are a team in transition to a degree and in Europe they have come up against teams on the rise. Dominance like theirs rarely lasts in football, it's not like they are a disaster now either, semi's of the CL and walking away with the league is not to be sniffed at.
Hughes was on SSN pimping himself for the job. He did well at Blackburn and Fulham, so maybe a team where he has no money again will do him some good.
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Barca still walked away with the league. They still made the semi-finals of the CL. Guardiola leaving isn't the problem, everyone else improving while Barca stood still and got older is why they no longer dominate.
I agree. Injuries also had a big part in this, what with Barcelona's apparent dependency on Messi (not that I blame them, play with a man like that alongside you for so long and his presence has got to be dearly missed), being forced to play Marc Bactra, by which I mean no disrespect to the man, but he *is* the third (or fourth?) option in the defence.
In the end, standing still in time and not having someone who has a similar function to Messi (I mean no disrespect for Fábregas, who constantly plays in Lionel's position, but that is not the function his characteristics are suited for) are the two main things that allowed Bayern to win with so much ease. I don't mean to discredit Munich's victory (which was well deserved), but 4-0 and 3-0 in a row? The gap between both teams isn't quite that big yet, I believe.
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Posté 10 mai 2013 - 08:16
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Sir Alex Ferguson retires. It is one of those things that you know will happen yet when it happens it is always way to early. I don't know anything about Moyes, save that he comes from Everton, so it will be interesting to see what he can do and how the fans will react. It is impossible to replace Ferguson and it goes without saying that he left his mark on United so Moyes might get a hard time if he decides to change certain things.
About Barcam I completely agree with Druss and Lathrim. Barca is build around Messi, when he has a bad day or can't play the backbone of the team dissapears. They have many, very good players but you can't expect to play the same system with any other player than Messi.
About Barcam I completely agree with Druss and Lathrim. Barca is build around Messi, when he has a bad day or can't play the backbone of the team dissapears. They have many, very good players but you can't expect to play the same system with any other player than Messi.
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Posté 10 mai 2013 - 11:06
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FC Barcelona is the best team for me.
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Posté 13 mai 2013 - 05:06
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I agree, Barca just aren't the same team without Messi, they have no one capable of filling in his position and their squad isn't what it used to be. Bayern were probably a bit flattered by the 7-0 score line, but they are probably Europe's form team. I've been telling people for months that Bayern were the team to beat in this years CL, no one would listen. Possibly because of my ill fated claims about Fernando Torres and Anderson finally coming good...*ahem*
I was getting very teary eyed watching Sir Alex final home game yesterday. But I loved him dropping Rooney in it in his interview. Admitting he was dropped because he has asked for a transfer again and wasn't committed. I hope to god we get rid of him this time, he should have been sold last time. He came out with lies about needing assurances about the quality of players we are going to sign, then got ridiculous wages while producing patchy form at best, often being completely unfit and playing like a Sunday League player, then we do sign a player better than him who takes his place and he wants out again, you couldn't make it up. Fans were booing him yesterday while he collected his medal, I hope that's the end of him as a United player, I can't stomach him anymore.
Mancini is up for the sack too, not really surprising. For most teams what he has done would be considered a success, but City have spent over £1billion so they sort of have to be winning things. My mate was at the United match yesterday and said the best chants were: "You gave the league back and now you've got the sack, Mancini wow oohh oohh, Mancini." and "6-1, 6-1. 6 games in Europe and you couldn't win 1." That second one tickled me.
Christian Eriksen seems to be off to Dortmund, he's looked pretty good every time I've seen him and comes across as having a great attitude in interviews. I was hoping we would be in for him.
I was getting very teary eyed watching Sir Alex final home game yesterday. But I loved him dropping Rooney in it in his interview. Admitting he was dropped because he has asked for a transfer again and wasn't committed. I hope to god we get rid of him this time, he should have been sold last time. He came out with lies about needing assurances about the quality of players we are going to sign, then got ridiculous wages while producing patchy form at best, often being completely unfit and playing like a Sunday League player, then we do sign a player better than him who takes his place and he wants out again, you couldn't make it up. Fans were booing him yesterday while he collected his medal, I hope that's the end of him as a United player, I can't stomach him anymore.
Mancini is up for the sack too, not really surprising. For most teams what he has done would be considered a success, but City have spent over £1billion so they sort of have to be winning things. My mate was at the United match yesterday and said the best chants were: "You gave the league back and now you've got the sack, Mancini wow oohh oohh, Mancini." and "6-1, 6-1. 6 games in Europe and you couldn't win 1." That second one tickled me.
Christian Eriksen seems to be off to Dortmund, he's looked pretty good every time I've seen him and comes across as having a great attitude in interviews. I was hoping we would be in for him.
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Posté 13 mai 2013 - 09:41
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And... Mancini is out. Given £500 million in transfer funds, and he wins 2 trophies in 3 years...
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Sir Alex retiring for is like one of those things that I comprehend, but I don't think it will be felt till later. Its difficult to overstate what this means for Man U and the Premier League. Time will tell. However...for a long long time now Man U have been very very good...Druss, are you ready to handle a period where Man U might not be contenders for every title/trophy?
Rooney is still an issue???? hehe I wouldn't have given him that extension from a while ago, and I wouldn't have had this issue now. His personality matches an attacking mid...he should work on his passing and he might have a little rediscovery, but this is going by when I saw him play like wow, 1, 2 years ago now???
Torres/Anderson coming good lololol Druss...don't put an application in for the Man U talent scout lol.
Well, the Man City owners think money can buy everything obviously...except in this money crazy world, you still can't buy championships. Man City is a team all about money. It was good for the true Man City fans though, cause they won the title last year!
When are they playing the Champions League final though?? Ive already got an eye on the Confederations Cup though...cant wait!!!
edit: I wish I could watch Barca regularly again. There was a time when I knew Barca inside and out..and I could imagine the stress these top league managers are under.
Rooney is still an issue???? hehe I wouldn't have given him that extension from a while ago, and I wouldn't have had this issue now. His personality matches an attacking mid...he should work on his passing and he might have a little rediscovery, but this is going by when I saw him play like wow, 1, 2 years ago now???
Torres/Anderson coming good lololol Druss...don't put an application in for the Man U talent scout lol.
Well, the Man City owners think money can buy everything obviously...except in this money crazy world, you still can't buy championships. Man City is a team all about money. It was good for the true Man City fans though, cause they won the title last year!
When are they playing the Champions League final though?? Ive already got an eye on the Confederations Cup though...cant wait!!!
edit: I wish I could watch Barca regularly again. There was a time when I knew Barca inside and out..and I could imagine the stress these top league managers are under.
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About Barcam I completely agree with Druss and Lathrim. Barca is build around Messi, when he has a bad day or can't play the backbone of the team dissapears. They have many, very good players but you can't expect to play the same system with any other player than Messi.
Indeed, and there is the whole psychological aspect of having the world's best playing with you. That alone does wonders. Barca has Iniesta and Xavi but, really, once a team is built around someone like Messi their greatest weakness is the lack of the man's presence. The moment I noticed Lionel wasn't 100% in the first leg (let alone finding out that he wouldn't start the 2nd after that 4-0...) I knew that it would not be a good day for Catalunya.
I was really surprised to see the final result, though. A german victory is one thing, a blowout is another.
As for Ferguson, well, he's one of those people I wish would never retire. If United and/or the Premier League will miss his presence or not, I do not know, but I certainly will.
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Just lettin yall kno, mexico n brazil r playing
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Italy n spain are about to play, hopefully it is a good match.
edit: FORZA ITALIA!!! ^.^
edit: FORZA ITALIA!!! ^.^
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Posté 02 juillet 2013 - 03:41
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I would have supported Italia as well, against Spain, but I really wanted a Brasil x Spain in the final match. Guess you all know why by now.. hehehe
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Posté 02 juillet 2013 - 03:45
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I started supported Brazil when I saw there is no Germany. I feel contented )
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Posté 02 juillet 2013 - 02:17
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Spain getting owned was somewhat hilarious.
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Posté 02 juillet 2013 - 07:00
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I suport Brazil about as much my own country, Portugal. However, Italy and Spain were representing European countries, and I am European. I also suport strongly Scolari as coach, he did great things in command of both Portugal and Brazil, respect Felipão.
Brazil really wanted to win home in Maracanã, as for Spain they did not give confederation cup the credit as they do on the world cup or europe cup.
And next year(if the competition does not change location) I will be going to Brazil for a Portugal-Brazil Final of the World Cup.
Brazil really wanted to win home in Maracanã, as for Spain they did not give confederation cup the credit as they do on the world cup or europe cup.
And next year(if the competition does not change location) I will be going to Brazil for a Portugal-Brazil Final of the World Cup.
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Posté 02 juillet 2013 - 08:24
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Druss99 wrote...
Spain getting owned was somewhat hilarious.
Yeah, looks like the sun is setting on tiki-taka.
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Posté 02 juillet 2013 - 09:42
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cato_84 wrote...
Druss99 wrote...
Spain getting owned was somewhat hilarious.
Yeah, looks like the sun is setting on tiki-taka.
For me Spain is a one time thing in 2008. Spain in 2010 and 2012 were not that spectacular.
Aragones >>>>>>>>>>> Del Bosque.
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Hopefully thats true, I have my doubts though. I find it boring to watch, I like my wingers too much.cato_84 wrote...
Druss99 wrote...
Spain getting owned was somewhat hilarious.
Yeah, looks like the sun is setting on tiki-taka.
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Posté 03 juillet 2013 - 01:37
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Druss99 wrote...
Hopefully thats true, I have my doubts though. I find it boring to watch, I like my wingers too much.cato_84 wrote...
Druss99 wrote...
Spain getting owned was somewhat hilarious.
Yeah, looks like the sun is setting on tiki-taka.
It's not just Spain's less than stellar performances over the past year or so, the two Spanish club giants being utterly humbled by Bayern and Dortmund in the Champions League also signals a change in my opinion.
Of course, Spain could prove all the doubters wrong, particularly considering how good their U-21 squad is. If Illarramendi, Thiago and co live up to their potential then you could be forced to suffer a lot more 'boring' football.
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Posté 17 juillet 2013 - 12:31
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This transfer window has been hilariously mental.
Thiago Alcantara: Wants first team football so leaves Barca for a team with an even more stacked midfield. Genius!
Suarez: Keeps talking about going to Real Madrid, if Real wanted him then the whole world would know by now. They would have been constantly talking about him. I've yet to see that anywhere. Him saying he wants to leave because of the English media and then saying he would go to Arsenal or Chelsea. Tevez levels of bull**** right there. Also Liverpool thinking he's worth £40m+? Delusion.
Fabregas: Says he doesn't want to leave and Barca have just lost Thiago Alcantara. So we make a bid and leak the story? What are we playing at there? It's like being proud of getting rejected by some hot girl that your mates were all drooling over. "At least I talked to her." Bizarre.
Rooney: Huge patches of being absolute sh*te for about 3 years now, at times he has been a massive detriment to the team rather than a help. Sir Alex got tired of him, Moyes is already tired of talking about him. Moyes says he isn't for sale and that he wants to partner him with RVP, also saying he will be needed if anything happens to RVP, which is fair comment, RVP is now the main man at United. Thats all fine, then suddenly Rooney is "angry and confused" by the comments and won't play second fiddle. The same player who questioned our ambition at not signing great players, we sign one and he won't play second fiddle to him? Brilliant. Now it emerges that he became "angry and confused" about Moyes statement the same day Chelsea had a bid for him rejected. Convenient. Then its leaked that Chelsea bid £10m + Mata or David Luiz(I'd give them Rooney and £10m for Mata) and we rejected it. Chelsea are fuming that their players have been mentioned in this and didn't offer players. Blame United for this. If it was us then I love it, epic trolling.
All this talking about moving and being "angry and confused" or hounded out of the country by the media. Where are the transfer requests? You want to leave that bad then hand in a transfer request. Otherwise everyone sees what this is really about.
Thiago Alcantara: Wants first team football so leaves Barca for a team with an even more stacked midfield. Genius!
Suarez: Keeps talking about going to Real Madrid, if Real wanted him then the whole world would know by now. They would have been constantly talking about him. I've yet to see that anywhere. Him saying he wants to leave because of the English media and then saying he would go to Arsenal or Chelsea. Tevez levels of bull**** right there. Also Liverpool thinking he's worth £40m+? Delusion.
Fabregas: Says he doesn't want to leave and Barca have just lost Thiago Alcantara. So we make a bid and leak the story? What are we playing at there? It's like being proud of getting rejected by some hot girl that your mates were all drooling over. "At least I talked to her." Bizarre.
Rooney: Huge patches of being absolute sh*te for about 3 years now, at times he has been a massive detriment to the team rather than a help. Sir Alex got tired of him, Moyes is already tired of talking about him. Moyes says he isn't for sale and that he wants to partner him with RVP, also saying he will be needed if anything happens to RVP, which is fair comment, RVP is now the main man at United. Thats all fine, then suddenly Rooney is "angry and confused" by the comments and won't play second fiddle. The same player who questioned our ambition at not signing great players, we sign one and he won't play second fiddle to him? Brilliant. Now it emerges that he became "angry and confused" about Moyes statement the same day Chelsea had a bid for him rejected. Convenient. Then its leaked that Chelsea bid £10m + Mata or David Luiz(I'd give them Rooney and £10m for Mata) and we rejected it. Chelsea are fuming that their players have been mentioned in this and didn't offer players. Blame United for this. If it was us then I love it, epic trolling.
All this talking about moving and being "angry and confused" or hounded out of the country by the media. Where are the transfer requests? You want to leave that bad then hand in a transfer request. Otherwise everyone sees what this is really about.
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Here we go again.... it has begun :-)
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Rooney: Huge patches of being absolute sh*te for about 3 years now, at times he has been a massive detriment to the team rather than a help. Sir Alex got tired of him, Moyes is already tired of talking about him. Moyes says he isn't for sale and that he wants to partner him with RVP, also saying he will be needed if anything happens to RVP, which is fair comment, RVP is now the main man at United. Thats all fine, then suddenly Rooney is "angry and confused" by the comments and won't play second fiddle. The same player who questioned our ambition at not signing great players, we sign one and he won't play second fiddle to him? Brilliant. Now it emerges that he became "angry and confused" about Moyes statement the same day Chelsea had a bid for him rejected. Convenient. Then its leaked that Chelsea bid £10m + Mata or David Luiz(I'd give them Rooney and £10m for Mata) and we rejected it. Chelsea are fuming that their players have been mentioned in this and didn't offer players. Blame United for this. If it was us then I love it, epic trolling.
All this talking about moving and being "angry and confused" or hounded out of the country by the media. Where are the transfer requests? You want to leave that bad then hand in a transfer request. Otherwise everyone sees what this is really about.
To be fair, I don't think there are many comments about anything that wouldn't leave Wayne Rooney 'angry and confused'. He's always been petulant and he's about as sharp as a marble - add that to the fact that he's been quite poorly advised and you end up with the ongoing fiasco ManU find themselves stuck in.
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Posté 18 août 2013 - 06:36
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Here we go again.... it has begun :-)
Interesting first weekend. Looks pretty weird seeing Moyes in the Man United dugout, though I really hope he gets the time he deserves to put his stamp on the team.
Also, I'm calling it now - Wenger will not be Arsenal manager at the end of this season.
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Arsenal fan here. That 3-1 defeat to Villa was shameful.
And yet, I'm actually kinda glad they lost. Because maybe, just maybe - not counting on anything but fingers crossed - maybe, it will finally convince them to get off their backsides and SIGN SOME FRIGGIN' PLAYERS!
And I'm not being fickle; this has been a chronic problem for Arsenal for quite some time, this habit of selling more players than they buy. I'm just frustrated that after that lucky sneak into the Champions League spot last season, they promised that they've finally got the message and will remedy it, but when it comes to actually following words with action, it's just the same old crap. Hell, at this point, if they have to lose to Fenebahce and Fulham as well for them to finally get it, I'll take it.
Oh well, at least Arsenal didn't manage to completely ruin my sporting weekend. Both the All Blacks and Canterbury won, and even Roger's decent display against Rafa was satisfying. I'll take what I can get.
And yet, I'm actually kinda glad they lost. Because maybe, just maybe - not counting on anything but fingers crossed - maybe, it will finally convince them to get off their backsides and SIGN SOME FRIGGIN' PLAYERS!
And I'm not being fickle; this has been a chronic problem for Arsenal for quite some time, this habit of selling more players than they buy. I'm just frustrated that after that lucky sneak into the Champions League spot last season, they promised that they've finally got the message and will remedy it, but when it comes to actually following words with action, it's just the same old crap. Hell, at this point, if they have to lose to Fenebahce and Fulham as well for them to finally get it, I'll take it.
Oh well, at least Arsenal didn't manage to completely ruin my sporting weekend. Both the All Blacks and Canterbury won, and even Roger's decent display against Rafa was satisfying. I'll take what I can get.
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Posté 18 août 2013 - 11:42
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^ Arsenal will sign players. Unfortunately it will most likely be the usual formerly good, but now injury prone or just not quite good enough players that Wenger seems to like going for. It's kind of a huge week for both Arsenal and us(United fan), the problem is there doesn't really seem to be anyone available at reasonable prices right now. Both teams kind of screwed themselves too by anouncing they had a lot of money to spend earlier in the window.
I've never actually hated a United player before, but I utterly loath the odious ****. I don't actually know anyone who wants him to stay either. If we do accomplish anything with him the team it will almost feel tainted for me. I think Moyes has handled the whole thing well for the most part so far.
Interesting weekend so far. Sunderlands new signings didn't exactly work out against Fulham who have been fairly crap away from home for the last few years. Norwich didn't get to play some of theirs but Van Wolfswinkel looked impressive. Ross Barkley did well for Everton and might soon find himself being hyped to within an inch of his life by a desperate media. Welbeck seems to have got back his old finishing confidence, if he can add goals to his performances from last season we will have a hell of a player.
cato_84 wrote...
To be fair, I don't think there are many comments about anything that wouldn't leave Wayne Rooney 'angry and confused'. He's always been petulant and he's about as sharp as a marble - add that to the fact that he's been quite poorly advised and you end up with the ongoing fiasco ManU find themselves stuck in.
I've never actually hated a United player before, but I utterly loath the odious ****. I don't actually know anyone who wants him to stay either. If we do accomplish anything with him the team it will almost feel tainted for me. I think Moyes has handled the whole thing well for the most part so far.
Interesting weekend so far. Sunderlands new signings didn't exactly work out against Fulham who have been fairly crap away from home for the last few years. Norwich didn't get to play some of theirs but Van Wolfswinkel looked impressive. Ross Barkley did well for Everton and might soon find himself being hyped to within an inch of his life by a desperate media. Welbeck seems to have got back his old finishing confidence, if he can add goals to his performances from last season we will have a hell of a player.
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