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[Star fury]

KnossosTNC wrote...
Notice how I have not said that Mourinho is right and Mata is rubbish or anything of that effect. Truth be told, Ol' Mo's antipathy towards Mata baffles the heck out of me as much as anyone. But, you know, his team, and if Roman's cool with it, his problem. If Mourinho thinks selling Mata is no loss, then that's his loss - time will tell exactly how much.

Benching Mata by Mourinho is understandable, it's a still retarded thing to do, but you can explain it. Mou has a big ego and he stamps his authority on the team by benching it's best  player. It's like Casillas situation again. Mou also likes his counterattacking football and apparently Mata doesn't contribute in covering a fullback. I don't remember Cristina participating in defense in Real.

If Chelsea sell Mata to Man U, they will regret it. Chavs even don't have world class players except Mata, unless there is an agreement that Rooney joins them in a swap.

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Druss99 wrote...

Well we haven't signed Mata yet, I'm still refusing to believe it's happening. I think he is exactly what we need, it's just that we need more than him. We struggle to create chances and lack creativity, that's exactly what Mata brings. It's not just getting Mata though, it's getting RVP, Nani and Rooney back too. Suddenly we are an attacking threat and teams can't just attack us any more. When teams have been lining up against us this last month or more and have been seeing us fielding an attack of Welbeck, Januzaj, Valencia, Kagawa and Young they have nothing to fear and can attack without much chance of getting a hammering. Throw Mata, RVP, Rooney and Nani back in there though and it becomes a whole other matter.

We haven't had a playmaker for a while now, Rooney isn't one and Kagawa needs a different style of play (which we are more equipped to play with Mata and the others back), I think Mata suits us perfectly and not only that but he is a much better option than Young on the left. Plus its a sign of intent to attract other players, rumours that we are looking to make another signing and Moyes is confirmed to be at the Bayern match tonight.

Signing Mata gets the fans back onside too, showing them its the start of the rebuilding(which should have started at least 2 years ago). We aren't their title rivals, but we do face all their current title rivals so strengthening us against them helps Chelsea in the short term. Also we are probably the only team desperate enough to give them £40m. Did the Ba thing actually happen or was it just paper talk?

Those penalties were diabolical. Jones' was inhuman, his leg nearly wrapped around himself. Should never have got that far though, it was a performance from last season for us. Score and then just stop playing and start defending deep inviting them on. The fact they only had one shot on goal and De Gea f*cked it up just shows how unlucky Moyes has been. So again signing Mata is a bold statement he is looking to change things.

I'm really worried you lot get Mata, it would be like Ozil signing for Arsenal.

I just hope Moyes will stick Mata to the left in 4-4-2 and orders him to cross ball from the flank as an ol' good British winger. Basically like Valencia does on the opposite flank. And Dithering Dave would probably overtrain Mata as he did RVP.   

[Druss99]

I'm not sure it will have as big of an impact as Ozil, at the end of the day our midfield is still weak and our defence has been awful at times. Plus we struggle to keep anyone fit for more than a few weeks. We are a team that needs rebuilding, whereas Arsenal were a project Wenger had been building for years that just clicked with Ozil. Arsenal were a top 4 team, we are a team that deserve to be 7th.

As much as I'd rather see Mata in the middle, he would be a giant leap above our current left wingers. He was a left winger when Chelsea bought him I think. I dunno if he overtrained RVP, I think with the amount of injuries we have had this last few years there's been something wrong with our training for a while.

Who do you support, Star?

[Kaiser Arian XVII]

^ Carlo Ancelotti!

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Druss99 wrote...

I'm not sure it will have as big of an impact as Ozil, at the end of the day our midfield is still weak and our defence has been awful at times. Plus we struggle to keep anyone fit for more than a few weeks. We are a team that needs rebuilding, whereas Arsenal were a project Wenger had been building for years that just clicked with Ozil. Arsenal were a top 4 team, we are a team that deserve to be 7th.

As much as I'd rather see Mata in the middle, he would be a giant leap above our current left wingers. He was a left winger when Chelsea bought him I think. I dunno if he overtrained RVP, I think with the amount of injuries we have had this last few years there's been something wrong with our training for a while.

Who do you support, Star?

You lot are still champions. But admittedly Ferguson had a big influence, squeezing everything they could give from his squad last season. Mata always scores goals and gives assists, loads of assists. I think he can easily propel Man U to the 4th place.

Yeah, Mata is very effective as a number 10 and he does an impressive job as a playmaker on the left, like Silva. He's not a winger who just hugs touchline and whips crosses, he likes to cut inside. If Man U sign Mata, luckily he doesn't clash with Rooney like Kagawa does and Moyes can play 4-2-3-1 with Shrek in the hole and Mata on the left, RVP as a number 9. Mouth-watering stuff for any manc.

I support Arsenal.

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KnossosTNC wrote...

You know Arsenal - 90% of the time paper talk is about the closest it gets.

"I did not accept Arsenal's offer for Demba Ba because added to their signing of Ozil, they would have been title contenders."

www.express.co.uk/sport/football/426921/Jose-Mourinho-Demba-Ba-teaming-up-with-Mesut-Ozil-would-make-Arsenal-title-contenders

[Druss99]

@ Knossos: All 3 Chelsea goals and Sunderlands goal were extraordinary occurrences, Jones' penalty was beyond extraordinary, all our summer dealings were extraordinary. I'm taking nothing for granted.

I agree though about him improving our on pitch fortunes, he isn't the answer on his own. But like Ozil, it's a start and that's a hell of a lot more than we had before. Which was just the hope that RVP would come back and save us. Mata is better than every player we have except RVP. I think we will get 4th, we just need one striker back and Mata to settle in quickly. We haven't been terrible lately, but desperately unlucky.

It's hard to believe those penalties were taken by professionals. I'd fine any player not hitting the target or hitting it with insufficient power. There's really no excuse for missing unless its a great save.

@ Star: It remains a mystery how we won the league last year, we were mostly ordinary at best and only RVP papered over the cracks. This season no RVP and long standing problems coming home to roost.

I think Mata is better than Rooney/Kagawa in the middle and way, way, way better than anyone we have tried on the left, so it's an improvement no matter where we play him. I'd love to see Mata-Kagawa-Januzaj behind RVP with licence to roam and swap. I think that's not too different to what we tried with Kagawa on the left, problem being Valencia on the right doesn't lend itself to going anywhere else.

[Sparrow44]

I'm really surprised to see this Mata transfer go through assuming Chelsea don't change their minds last minute (wouldn't put it past them), but I do hope Mata does settle if he does join as a mid-season game changer is just what we need.

Also the cynic in me thinks £64 million spent on two midfielders in the last 6 months and potentially a lack of top 4 finish this season makes me fear Moyes may overspend this summer to compensate for lack of CL football. Not to mention that players will inevitably be leaving Old Trafford too perhaps.

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KnossosTNC wrote...

In transfers news, Wenger denies trying to sign Draxler for £37 million. To be honest, it never made sense to me; Arsenal has enough wingers and players who can play on the wings, even with Walcott out with ACL tear. That is, unless Wenger's thinking about turning him into another successful winger-turn-striker, Thierry Henry style. But this is January, and Arsenal are in the thick of a title race; surely this is a time for a proven striker, not an experiment.

Actually it makes sense for Wenger to buy yet another attacking midfileder instead of a centerforward. Arsene loves signing of number 10s and then shunting them to the wing - Rosicky, Nasri, Cazorla, the Ox  etc.etc, even Wilshere often plays on the flanks this season. I just wanted a CF, especially after Walcott's injury, even loan would suffice. But I guess we have Bendtner as a backup and it's enough for challenging on multiple fronts, welp.

KnossosTNC wrote...

Michael Essien has
moved to AC Milan. Makes sense. He's 31 and only made 5 appearances for
Chelsea this season, and playing in Italy is likely to extend his
playing career. Meanwhile, United is being linked to Bayern Munich's
Toni Kroos. Wait, another attacking midfielder? Looks like Moyes' plan
to fix United is to throw more firepower at the problem.

Milan probably don't know that Essien is finished as a professional footballer since 2011. Man U will not get Kroos, Bayern are not stupid and they will not sell him like Chelsea.

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KnossosTNC wrote...

Well, I guess it makes sense to somebody - I just wish it wasn't the manager of the team I support. Arsenal definitely, desperately need to bring in a CF to bang in some goals. Know any rain dance or ritual of some kind we can perform to make it happen? Do we have to sacrifice a chicken, or a goat?

In Bendtner we... ...trust? I don't know whether to laugh or be terrified.

We don't buy forwards, and Chelsea too, chavs even loaned out their best CF. Man U apparently never buy midfielders. Man City think that centerbacks are overrated. Every big club has a problem with some positions and does absolutely everything not to solve it.

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[Star fury]

KnossosTNC wrote...

I think Man City's line of thinking is; "Centre backs? Pah! We don't need 'em. If they score two goals, we'll just send in Aguero, who then scores three with his left buttcheek, and we'll win. Problem solved."

...which, incidentally, they've just did. Damn.

Nice comeback from being 0:2 indeed, it was Watford but still. City play like Brazilians under Pellegrini, "You will score what you can, we will score what we want". That will cost them in the CL with Barcelona, and hopefully in the premier league too. Kun is class, I agree.

[Druss99]

City are just going to run away with the league, there is no one else in the same class as them. No one else has that kind of firepower or strength in depth.

Mata's debut was encouraging and disheartening at the same time. Yes, he's much better than everyone else we have in all the positions he plays. The problem is he can only play in one of those and when no one is really moving for him there's not much he can do. Only one game though and hopefully we will build around him now, drop Young and Valencia and get Kagawa and Januzaj in there, more movement and better passing abounds. No tackling at all obviously though.

[Druss99]

I dunno if it was such a big stutter from Arsenal, they have won 7 and drawn one of their last 8 I think. Which is still quite a good record. But now you have a lot of big matches coming up with no Wilshere, Ramsey or Flamini. This next month could make or break your season. Rumours of Draxler and Vucinic coming in before the deadline.

I don't think they showed all of Chelsea's 39 shots in the highlights, but I'm guessing a lot of them were Lampard shanking it into the crowd.

Cardiff put pressure on us because they walked right through our midfield just like everyone else does. We have rumours of Kroos and Fernando coming in, I'd take either right now, but we will end up not getting either I'd imagine.

Modifié par Druss99, 30 janvier 2014 - 11:54 .

[Druss99]

Apparently Kim Kjallstrom is at Arsenal for a medical ahead of signing.

Moyes has gone and ruined transfer deadline day for us.

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Druss99 wrote...

Apparently Kim Kjallstrom is at Arsenal for a medical ahead of signing.

Moyes has gone and ruined transfer deadline day for us.

Kjallstrom is already injured and ruled out for an indefinite period of time, LMAO. I want to shoot our medical team, useless cloggers. How the **** they gave a green light for a signing of an injured player?

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Stoke have beaten another midtable team tonight btw.

Even Mata can't save Moyes, poor fella was given a poisoned chalice + he can't manage stars.

[Druss99]

It's shocking how we treated Berbatov. Top scorer one season and treated like a ginger step child the next.

Kjallstrom somehow got through his medical despite admitting he hurt his back and having an MRI, it only showed up that he will be out for a while after a CT scan. By the time he is fit, everyone else will most likely be back too. Most pointless signing of the window?

After today I'm starting to lean towards Moyes out. As much as I would like to see him given time, I just can't defend some of his decisions. He's had two windows now to get cover in if not first team replacements and hasn't done it. Then we lose Jones and Evans today, end up with Carrick in defence and Rooney in midfield. You'd think sympathy for Moyes, but no. He chose to put Rooney in midfield when we had other options on the bench. He chose to bring Welbeck on and stick with a 4-4-1-1 with Welbeck behind RVP. Other than height at corners, which he would also have got with Fletcher, I can't fathom any reason for doing that. Playing Welbeck behind RVP when we have Rooney, Mata, Kagawa and Januzaj who can all play there is mind boggling.

Modifié par Druss99, 01 février 2014 - 06:40 .