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#752
Posté 28 février 2011 - 03:26
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The FA has decided not to do anything about Wayne Rooney's elbow on James McCarthy in the match between Manchester United and Wigan.
FA really is a joke if you ask me.
FA really is a joke if you ask me.
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Posté 28 février 2011 - 05:19
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Haha good stuff OBaka.
Natt is not so much the FA taking no action its the ref saying he saw the incident and dealt with it so theres not alot they can do. I think he should have been punished but this whole thing about the league being handed to United because of it is a bit ridiculous. Football365 (bitter Arsenal fans) are trying to force that particular agenda but its not like we are the only team with a player whos gotten away with something this season. Just because its Rooney it gets blown out of proportion.
I'd also like to point to the Drogba goal against us last season for an example of a bad decision which played a far bigger part in giving the eventual league winners the title. It happens every year. Also Nigel De Jong....
Natt is not so much the FA taking no action its the ref saying he saw the incident and dealt with it so theres not alot they can do. I think he should have been punished but this whole thing about the league being handed to United because of it is a bit ridiculous. Football365 (bitter Arsenal fans) are trying to force that particular agenda but its not like we are the only team with a player whos gotten away with something this season. Just because its Rooney it gets blown out of proportion.
I'd also like to point to the Drogba goal against us last season for an example of a bad decision which played a far bigger part in giving the eventual league winners the title. It happens every year. Also Nigel De Jong....
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Posté 28 février 2011 - 05:50
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Druss99 wrote...
Natt is not so much the FA taking no action its the ref saying he saw the incident and dealt with it so theres not alot they can do. I think he should have been punished but this whole thing about the league being handed to United because of it is a bit ridiculous. Football365 (bitter Arsenal fans) are trying to force that particular agenda but its not like we are the only team with a player whos gotten away with something this season. Just because its Rooney it gets blown out of proportion.
I'd also like to point to the Drogba goal against us last season for an example of a bad decision which played a far bigger part in giving the eventual league winners the title. It happens every year. Also Nigel De Jong....
That is true and it is an awful rule, but it still doesn't improve FA in my view. This just goes to show that you could do anything horrible on the pitch and get away with it because of inept and proud referees.
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Posté 28 février 2011 - 06:28
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Very true Nattfare and I agree the FA are an absolute joke but when have the people running football ever shown any sort of common sense?
Rooney should be facing a 3 or 4 game ban atleast but then again he hasn't shot anyone, unlike Ashley Cole...
Edit: Actually having watched the incident again McCarthy clearly stepped infront of him and as much as I hate Rooney I'd have done the same, McCarthy was quite frankly asking for it. Its still a red card and suspension but I don't blame Rooney as much.
Rooney should be facing a 3 or 4 game ban atleast but then again he hasn't shot anyone, unlike Ashley Cole...
Edit: Actually having watched the incident again McCarthy clearly stepped infront of him and as much as I hate Rooney I'd have done the same, McCarthy was quite frankly asking for it. Its still a red card and suspension but I don't blame Rooney as much.
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Posté 28 février 2011 - 07:29
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Unless the FA changes the rules (which they'd never do) such things will probably happen again. The blame is really on Clattenburg: if he'd seen it, why no sending off? If he didn't see it, why give a freekick? Either scenario is a no-win situation for him as he couldn't have made a proper decision.
Rooney is probably under more scrutiny this year after the new contract saga. Frankly he doesn't need that sort of scrutiny as I don't think he has quite the same mental strength as Ronaldo did.
As for Ashley Cole...what in blue blazes was he doing with an air rifle during training? Certainly nick a few column inches from Rooney....
Rooney is probably under more scrutiny this year after the new contract saga. Frankly he doesn't need that sort of scrutiny as I don't think he has quite the same mental strength as Ronaldo did.
As for Ashley Cole...what in blue blazes was he doing with an air rifle during training? Certainly nick a few column inches from Rooney....
#757
Posté 28 février 2011 - 08:03
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God knows what the ref was thinking but to be fair to him it did happen quickly and he didn't have the benefit of multiple replays and angles. Also McCarthy didn't go rolling about on the ground which I think helped Rooney.
Apparently it wasn't Coles gun and someone else had brought it but it still beggars belief. Maybe it was an attempt to keep fat Frank Lampard away from their lunches or John Terry away from their wives.
Apparently it wasn't Coles gun and someone else had brought it but it still beggars belief. Maybe it was an attempt to keep fat Frank Lampard away from their lunches or John Terry away from their wives.
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Posté 28 février 2011 - 08:21
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Druss99 wrote...
Apparently it wasn't Coles gun and someone else had brought it but it still beggars belief. Maybe it was an attempt to keep fat Frank Lampard away from their lunches or John Terry away from their wives.
Both seems very likely.
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Posté 28 février 2011 - 08:25
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Nattfare wrote...
Druss99 wrote...
Apparently it wasn't Coles gun and someone else had brought it but it still beggars belief. Maybe it was an attempt to keep fat Frank Lampard away from their lunches or John Terry away from their wives.
Both seems very likely.
I can only nod in agreement. *Nods with approval*
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Posté 28 février 2011 - 08:26
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He needs to be an even bigger muppet than first thought to go around pointing guns at work experience guys anyway. I saw a phone in earlier where they were suggesting everytime he touches the ball now fans are going to scream "SHOOT!!"
#761
Posté 28 février 2011 - 08:30
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Could be that he tries to get revenge on whoever it is who has been sniping him over the years.
#762
Posté 28 février 2011 - 09:51
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Sounds like he would have misunderstood the usage of the word 'snipe' there.
#763
Posté 28 février 2011 - 10:14
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I just wanted to share this with you all:
Match AZ-Twente
The match between AZ en Twente last weekend, Douglas (Twente) went a bit crazy after he received a, deserved, red card.
And This goal by Koulibaly in the French competition
And btw, nice blunder Arsenal:happy:
Match AZ-Twente
The match between AZ en Twente last weekend, Douglas (Twente) went a bit crazy after he received a, deserved, red card.
And This goal by Koulibaly in the French competition
And btw, nice blunder Arsenal:happy:
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Posté 01 mars 2011 - 12:03
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That goal reminded me alot of this goal Kimo...
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#765
Posté 01 mars 2011 - 09:40
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The sort of goals that prompts one to ponder whether it was a fluke or not.
Oh, and the Premier League title race has been kept alive by Chelsea. It seemed that it got pretty bad for Man Utd towards the end of that match.
Oh, and the Premier League title race has been kept alive by Chelsea. It seemed that it got pretty bad for Man Utd towards the end of that match.
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Posté 01 mars 2011 - 10:02
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I'm waiting to see the witch hunt for David Luis now. He committed atleast 3 off the ball fouls, even after he had been booked he took Rooney out completely off the ball and yet didn't get sent off. Will we get the same backlash that Rooney got? Luiz shoulder barged Hernandez in the face at one point.
John Terry got away with another handball in the box too, leaning into the ball with his arm yet again but it happened so fast I can't blame the ref. Chelsea's penalty was debatable too, Smalling didn't actually move his leg, his foot was planted and Zhirkov just ran into it and went down. Theres nothing in the rules that says a defender has to get out of the way.
Saying that though we should have killed the game off in the first half and its no ones fault but our own.
John Terry got away with another handball in the box too, leaning into the ball with his arm yet again but it happened so fast I can't blame the ref. Chelsea's penalty was debatable too, Smalling didn't actually move his leg, his foot was planted and Zhirkov just ran into it and went down. Theres nothing in the rules that says a defender has to get out of the way.
Saying that though we should have killed the game off in the first half and its no ones fault but our own.
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Posté 02 mars 2011 - 06:03
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Kimosabe0 wrote...
I just wanted to share this with you all:
Match AZ-Twente
The match between AZ en Twente last weekend, Douglas (Twente) went a bit crazy after he received a, deserved, red card.
Wow... dude seriously lost his temper. How many matches is he gonna miss for that?
And This goal by Koulibaly in the French competition
Damn! That was impressive.
#768
Posté 02 mars 2011 - 01:40
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Druss: it really does come down to the media really. I haven't seen the incidents in question so I'll always reserve judgement until I do; not quite the same as Wenger's 'I didn't see it' but you get the idea. I did hear it was a dodgy penalty decision though.
Inconsistency is the main problem when it comes to decisions though; not only from decision to decision from the one game, but from game to game by the same referee. Different interpretations by different refs is one thing, but an inconsistent ref can kill a game.
Inconsistency is the main problem when it comes to decisions though; not only from decision to decision from the one game, but from game to game by the same referee. Different interpretations by different refs is one thing, but an inconsistent ref can kill a game.
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Posté 02 mars 2011 - 02:18
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Aye he was ridiculously inconsistant last night, Vidic deserved to go but he did nothing compared to Luis. One badly timed tackle, a push and a shirt pull which he had let go off before Ramires went down compared to several off the ball assaults and just barrelling into people constantly.
I have yet to see any calls for retrospective punishment for Luis or Luiz or whatever it is. This despite sky sports describing his final "tackle" before being subbed as assault.
I have yet to see any calls for retrospective punishment for Luis or Luiz or whatever it is. This despite sky sports describing his final "tackle" before being subbed as assault.
#770
Posté 02 mars 2011 - 04:11
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The FA tends to hide behind certain FIFA regulations so that when the referee has dealt with the incident then they can't act. I read somewhere (some comment on F365 probably) that the French do have retrospective actions even when the ref has dealt with the incident. Which gives rise to the question: if they can why can't we?
More likely because our FA doesn't give a monkeys about these things and think they can just shirk their duty. They've gotten away with it enough anyway.
Mind you the oddest thing in football in terms of infringement is the whole obstruction thing. There seems to be no consistency there whatsoever. When I watch highlights I keep asking what's the difference between that case and this other case; one gets given and the other doesn't. Seems like a coin toss decision to me most of the time.
More likely because our FA doesn't give a monkeys about these things and think they can just shirk their duty. They've gotten away with it enough anyway.
Mind you the oddest thing in football in terms of infringement is the whole obstruction thing. There seems to be no consistency there whatsoever. When I watch highlights I keep asking what's the difference between that case and this other case; one gets given and the other doesn't. Seems like a coin toss decision to me most of the time.
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Posté 02 mars 2011 - 05:19
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Problem there Obaka is that so many 'rules' are not actually 'rules' in the true sense of the word, but more 'open to the referee's interpretation'.
In my opinion that can and does only lead to trouble. There should be no interpretation, no guidelines, no nothing, except for a black and white, yes or no answer/decision.
IE: If this, then this, if that, then the other. Our legal system is the same, how can 3 identical crimes be dealt with with 3 different punishments? Same principle and it sucks.
As for the recent games, only more proof as far as I'm concerned that we should adopt the American Football and Rugby solutions of ref's. They can stop play at any time and consult replays to make a decision. The FA's bollox excuse of it breaking up play is horse, as play is invariably stopped every few mins anyway for either a free kick, corner, throw in etc etc etc.....whats the difference?
Also, as was pointed out about Fletcher, give ref's the power they have in Rugby (hate the sport, but love how it's run)....player wants to run 50 yeards to argue with ref, 10 mins on the bench.....
In my opinion that can and does only lead to trouble. There should be no interpretation, no guidelines, no nothing, except for a black and white, yes or no answer/decision.
IE: If this, then this, if that, then the other. Our legal system is the same, how can 3 identical crimes be dealt with with 3 different punishments? Same principle and it sucks.
As for the recent games, only more proof as far as I'm concerned that we should adopt the American Football and Rugby solutions of ref's. They can stop play at any time and consult replays to make a decision. The FA's bollox excuse of it breaking up play is horse, as play is invariably stopped every few mins anyway for either a free kick, corner, throw in etc etc etc.....whats the difference?
Also, as was pointed out about Fletcher, give ref's the power they have in Rugby (hate the sport, but love how it's run)....player wants to run 50 yeards to argue with ref, 10 mins on the bench.....
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Posté 02 mars 2011 - 05:38
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True. Which is why we seem to get barmy calls on offside decisions. Makes for good talking points down at the pub I suppose.
Yeah, I see what you mean with the judicial process as well. A matter of interpretation. Certainly the notion of intention comes into it but quite frankly something that isn't easily, if at all, accounted for. Gee, I wonder what the equivalent to the insanity plee is in football. Hm....
Wasn't the notion of the sin-bin bandied about quite some time ago? Personally I don't really see much changing any time soon. As much as FIFA is used as a smokescreen by the FA, I'm sure there are certain things that all associations have to adhere to. But while Blatter is in charge it seems unlikely things will change. Though he'd come up with some silly things every now and then which is worth a chuckle.
Yeah, I see what you mean with the judicial process as well. A matter of interpretation. Certainly the notion of intention comes into it but quite frankly something that isn't easily, if at all, accounted for. Gee, I wonder what the equivalent to the insanity plee is in football. Hm....
Wasn't the notion of the sin-bin bandied about quite some time ago? Personally I don't really see much changing any time soon. As much as FIFA is used as a smokescreen by the FA, I'm sure there are certain things that all associations have to adhere to. But while Blatter is in charge it seems unlikely things will change. Though he'd come up with some silly things every now and then which is worth a chuckle.
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Posté 02 mars 2011 - 06:15
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Agree'd, nothing will change anytime soon unfortunately.
But for once, I think the power of the 'big' clubs might actually help the sport for once. Too much money involved now for mistakes to be in the game (officiating wise)....
If it all came down to video evidence, Torres' goal would have stood, Utd would have had a penelty, Luiz would have been off etc etc etc....
Change the game? Yes it would, but at least then there could be no arguing about a result, or what would have been etc etc.....bit like when we played Inter all those years ago....2 perfectly good goals disallowed....after Inter, there wasn't any good teams left in the competition...we 'could' have won the who thing had it not been for 2 bad decisions (and the genius of bergkamp lmao)...
But I do think sooner or later, the money will overule FIFA and they will have to get into the current century...can you imagine losing the Prem League over a bad decision on the last day?
But for once, I think the power of the 'big' clubs might actually help the sport for once. Too much money involved now for mistakes to be in the game (officiating wise)....
If it all came down to video evidence, Torres' goal would have stood, Utd would have had a penelty, Luiz would have been off etc etc etc....
Change the game? Yes it would, but at least then there could be no arguing about a result, or what would have been etc etc.....bit like when we played Inter all those years ago....2 perfectly good goals disallowed....after Inter, there wasn't any good teams left in the competition...we 'could' have won the who thing had it not been for 2 bad decisions (and the genius of bergkamp lmao)...
But I do think sooner or later, the money will overule FIFA and they will have to get into the current century...can you imagine losing the Prem League over a bad decision on the last day?
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Posté 02 mars 2011 - 07:08
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We lost the league due to one last season as I'm fond of pointing out lol.
We need robot refs. It would stop people arguing with them too. Technology is coming in its inevitable its just a question of how long FIFA keep fighting it.
Did they ever say why Torres goal was disallowed? The whistle went long long before he shot and no one seemed to argue but I couldn't see anything wrong.
Also OBaka I think "He isn't that sort of player it was the heat of the moment" is the football equivilant of the insanity plea.
We need robot refs. It would stop people arguing with them too. Technology is coming in its inevitable its just a question of how long FIFA keep fighting it.
Did they ever say why Torres goal was disallowed? The whistle went long long before he shot and no one seemed to argue but I couldn't see anything wrong.
Also OBaka I think "He isn't that sort of player it was the heat of the moment" is the football equivilant of the insanity plea.
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Posté 02 mars 2011 - 07:09
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The club gave him 5 matches, a fine and he has to do some social work for the club, the KNVB suspended him after that for 6 matchesDarthnemesis2 wrote...
Kimosabe0 wrote...
I just wanted to share this with you all:
Match AZ-Twente
The match between AZ en Twente last weekend, Douglas (Twente) went a bit crazy after he received a, deserved, red card.
Wow... dude seriously lost his temper. How many matches is he gonna miss for that?
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