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[OBakaSama]

van Persie: after reading about it, yeah, it does sound harsh. Shame really, I would have liked to see Arsenal go through. But Barcelona are a club who seem to get decisions in Europe as well....hm...conspiracy theory brewing.

Mesina2: yeah...that's probably why we don't rate Carson much nowadays. To think he was tipped for the top way back in the day.

[CroGamer002]

Nattfare wrote...

Druss99 wrote...

Strange streaker incident is all I will say...

Absolute
joke, the stewards weren't even trying to catch him. So when one of the
players decided that he wanted to go on with the game he gets sent off
for it.... astonashing.

Agreed.

Modifié par Mesina2, 09 mars 2011 - 10:27 .

[Jiggasaurus]

Can any justifiable explanation be given to receiving a second yellow card a mere second after blowing the whistle in a ninety thousand plus stadium in full voice during such a high profile game?

[OBakaSama]

Let me try. The ref didn't like van Persie and was looking for an excuse to send him off; the ref didn't like Arsenal and didn't want them to have a chance of going through to the next round; someone from Barcelona had a 'chat' with the ref at half time (recalling what happened when Barcelona played Chelsea; funny how Chelsea were reprimanded when even officials seemed to confirm Barcelona personnel spoke to them at half time); the ref is a Barcelona fan; the ref had certain instructions from higher up...etc.

Warning: I did not claim any of those reasons to be true or credible.

[Druss99]

Nattfare wrote...

Druss99 wrote...

Strange streaker incident is all I will say...

Absolute joke, the stewards weren't even trying to catch him. So when one of the players decided that he wanted to go on with the game he gets sent off for it.... astonashing.

The worst part is the ref followed the rules and sent him off for tackling a streaker with excessive violence. Which is the stupidest rule ever. If you invade the pitch then you should be running the risk of 22 men beating the living sh*t out of you. Though most footballers would probably just push and posture without ever swinging a punch.

OBakaSama wrote...

Let me try. The ref didn't like van Persie and was looking for an excuse to send him off; the ref didn't like Arsenal and didn't want them to have a chance of going through to the next round; someone from Barcelona had a 'chat' with the ref at half time (recalling what happened when Barcelona played Chelsea; funny how Chelsea were reprimanded when even officials seemed to confirm Barcelona personnel spoke to them at half time); the ref is a Barcelona fan; the ref had certain instructions from higher up...etc.

Warning: I did not claim any of those reasons to be true or credible.

Hang on there sonny Jim. You sure thats what happened with the Chelsea thing? From what I remember Mourinho told a pile of lies and thats why Chelsea got sanctioned. His version of events wasn't even close to the truth and it ended up with Anders Frisk having to retire because of death threats he got.

Modifié par Druss99, 09 mars 2011 - 01:28 .

[Druss99]

That it has. But there will be no fallout, no questioning of the standard of refereeing, no bringing in technology, not a thing.

[OBakaSama]

Madness, yes. Referees are untouchable as the powers that be seek to protect them from any criticism, justified or not. I'm not sure what other types of job can allow gross incompetence and the person still keeping their job.

Hm...I think I read somewhere that some Barcelona official did speak...or went to see the ref...during that match, but it wasn't in privacy. Sure, what was said by Mourinho was made up; but subsequent articles I read seem to confirm some sort of meeting which is why that bit stuck to my mind. Could be wrong I admit, but it stuck to my mind. (Maybe it was a different match.)

Just had a quick online check but couldn't turn anything up...maybe age is getting to me....oh well, my bad.

Actually, the Anders Frisk incident does lend credence to the idea of RoboRef again though. Or at least using more in the way of retrospective punishments. And what is it that a fourth official actually do? Emergency back up only?

[Druss99]

My memory of it is fuzzy too but from what I recall it was just one of the Barca staff or Rijkaard said something to the ref in the tunnel, which happens in every match. But Mourinho claimed that Frisk took Rijkaard and someone else into his office for a meeting and claimed he witnessed the whole thing. He blatantly made up lies about one of Europes top refs and only got a touchline ban which he circumvented. Thats what I recall anyway.

Roboref would kneecap Mourinho at the start of the match then say "Your move creep".

The fourth official also holds up the board and makes sure people don't leave their technical areas. All very important work and society would collapse without them.

Modifié par Druss99, 09 mars 2011 - 03:53 .

[OBakaSama]

Now we know....

I do recall a match where the fourth official ended officiating due to a ref having a problem or injury though.

[Druss99]

I remember that happening a couple of times too OBaka. I'm always amazed that chubby refs can keep up with the play and sprint up and down the pitch for 90 minutes.

I forgot the 4th official also has the huge responsibility of checking peoples studs and their jewellery. Where would we be without these paragons of our society?

[OBakaSama]

Wow...checking jewelry. I wonder in what context. Maybe players have to bling up or something before going on the pitch. Wonder how RoboRef would react to such things...

[Nattfare]

Don't forget that the 4th officials are there for Alex Ferguson's hair dryer too, what would he do if they weren't there to be shout at by him? That's an important role too.

[OBakaSama]

True to a point, but that only counts for the one game. Wonder why there was a pre-planned media boycott (so they say) regarding the Liverpool match though.

[Druss99]

Because he is being brought up on charges for his comments after the Chelsea game. He does this when he gets called up on charges like that. Other managers have gotten away with saying things. *coughRedknappcough*

[OBakaSama]

Ah...the earlier Clattenberg comments; forgot about those. But the Liverpool one was different. Ferguson has boycotted the BBC since that investigation involving his son, and it's usually his assistant who does that portion of the press. Doesn't Ferguson attend interviews for Sky?

It's just on MOTD they mentioned that they weren't going to do the interviews regardless of the result. Perhaps a retrospective thing but different enough to raise some very minor interest.

[Druss99]

Aye he won't talk to the BBC but he talks to everyone else. Whoever the ref was in the Chelsea game, I don't think it was Clattenburg was it Atkinson maybe? Sir Alex said something about him to MUTV anyway, something like "We needed a fair ref....I mean a strong ref but we didn't get that." So he is getting called up for that and decided on a media blackout which included Mike Phelan not talking to the press either.

[OBakaSama]

Ah...I see. So their absence was linked that way. Can understand as to why then.

But it's the whole uneven treatment thing really; as they're not really allowed to say what they want without repercussion. Then sometimes the biggest game changers don't get questioned because it threatens their authority.

Now, after the Frisk incident it's understandable as to why refs are protected in this sense, but it does seem to make them seem weak. Mind you, I forget who, but I recall one ref coming out on MOTD appearing on camera to clarify his decision. I think there will be more respect for them that way. But then I'm just a fan of the game, and know nothing compared to the all-knowing FA.

[Druss99]

I have no problem with refs being protected, you can't be having managers putting them under pressure as managers like Sir Alex, Benitez and Mourinho have tried to do alot. I'm all for stomping that out.

What I'm against though is this whole idea that refs are incapable of mistakes. Clattenburg clearly got the Rooney thing wrong, everyone could see it but when asked to give his response when they were looking into retrospective punishment he says he made the right call. Same with Dowd on the Carragher tackle. One guy assaulted someone with an off the ball elbow and the other tried to end a players career and both refs are claiming they were right not to send them off? They should just admit they made a mistake, we all know they are only human and it would be much easier to take if they would simply hold their hands up and say "Sorry but in the heat of the moment I got it wrong."

The Spurs - AC Milan game has started well. Hoping for a Milan win.

[OBakaSama]

On refs: yeah, I agree. If they would just admit major errors (I think we can let them get away with minor ones to some extent) then they'll come out looking a lot better.

Might catch bits of the game, but I've just gone back to Mass Effect again.... Probably just result watch again. As usual.

[Druss99]

Yeah exactly. The worst part about the Phil Dowd thing was other than those 2 or 3 big flashpoints that he got horribly wrong, he was excellent. He handled the game brilliantly. If he just just came out and gave his take on why he didn't send them off or said he made a mistake then he wouldn't look like such a dick. The only reason I can think of them not doing it is because it opens the player up for retrospective punishment which may then get the ref accused of bias if he says he got one wrong and one right.

Ah trying to kill time until DA2 arrives? lol

[OBakaSama]

Well, my ME runs are scattershot. So I'm tailoring those for ME2 in preparation for ME3. (Yeah, I know.) Anyway, don't want to get locked for being off-topic...

Yeah, I agree with your assessment on Dowd's game. And generally because refs don't justify their decisions it does make them weaker. No doubt it's difficult given the pace of the game, as our criticism tends to come with the benefit of slow motion replays. We get to see the incident more clearly, yet the ref doesn't get that benefit and only the powers that be can know why this is denied to them.

I think I saw something about the FA contacting FIFA about the whole retrospective punishment thing. Personally I feel that the ref should get the first opportunity to review their own decisions, with the FA stepping in when it's obviously a mistake a ref won't rectify.

[Druss99]

That thing about the FA contacting FIFA was some FA director said they query it on a regular basis to make sure they are working as per FIFA's directives. Then Blatter came out and contradicted him said its up to the individual FA. Who the hell do you even believe in that situation?

I dunno how much bringing in technology would cost but maybe thats why FIFA are so set against it. Money, its the thing that dictates everything they do these days *coughQATARWORLDCUPcough*.

Whats the point in letting the ref have a look at it if they so rarely admit to a mistake though? The whole system needs looked at. I think everyone agrees theres something very wrong.

Did anyone see the ref in the Birmingham - Everton game last night forgot his cards and had to wave imaginary ones when booking people?

[OBakaSama]

What? We now have a mime as a ref now? That's an interesting career move.

I think the usual argument FIFA uses with regards to technology is that everyone who plays football are governed by the same rules and standards. If the top leagues use them then the lower leagues do too. At least that's the sort of mentality they seem to have. (I'm not saying it's correct, just stating what I see as their position on the issue.)

In terms of equal standards though, why not go the other way? That is to say, lower it rather than raise everyone up. So we have the big stadium's pitch look like the pitch for a Sunday league team? Daft. Definitely.

The World Cup bid was a complete farce (and I'm not going to cough on this). FIFA were wrong no matter how it was spun.