4117 réponses à ce sujet

[Druss99]

Jiggasaurus wrote...

England will never prosper with the inability to move from the 4-4-2 formation, it'll just be more of the same haemorrhaging possession, get some goal-scoring pacey wingers (Theo+ Adam Johnson) in a 4-2-3-1 formation, playing off and around Rooney or Carroll with Wilshere as one of the two deeper midfielders keeping the play ticking over.

Englands inability to keep possession has more to do with their midfielders being sh*te than any formation. Of their current midfielders only Carrick is any good at keeping possession and he disapears too often in big games. Hargreaves was great at it, Wilshere looks good so far. But the old guard Lampard, Gerrard, Barry and co. are terrible at it and play too much like its about them rather than the team. Theres a reason Heskey was in the team.

[DinoCrisisFan]

American Football, right?

[OBakaSama]

Hm...feel the urge to...shout...restraining...self....

England don't seem to have many players who really handle the big games well. I would also like to think that the more players in the national side from the same club side would help things as well, though that's likely to be wishful thinking.

Basically we need a good team and not a bunch of individuals playing with each other. You look at what Greece achieved in 2004. The words 'whole', 'sum' and 'parts' come to mind.

[Nattfare]

OBakaSama wrote...
England don't seem to have many players who really handle the big games well. I would also like to think that the more players in the national side from the same club side would help things as well, though that's likely to be wishful thinking.

No English teams in the top league with enough English players to make that happen.

[Jiggasaurus]

Druss99 wrote...

Jiggasaurus wrote...

England will never prosper with the inability to move from the 4-4-2 formation, it'll just be more of the same haemorrhaging possession, get some goal-scoring pacey wingers (Theo+ Adam Johnson) in a 4-2-3-1 formation, playing off and around Rooney or Carroll with Wilshere as one of the two deeper midfielders keeping the play ticking over.

Englands inability to keep possession has more to do with their midfielders being sh*te than any formation. Of their current midfielders only Carrick is any good at keeping possession and he disapears too often in big games. Hargreaves was great at it, Wilshere looks good so far. But the old guard Lampard, Gerrard, Barry and co. are terrible at it and play too much like its about them rather than the team. Theres a reason Heskey was in the team.

Of course it is not just the midfield or formation when considering possession at international level it would be naive to even think so.

When analysing all the top flight Premier league clubs and having nearly all the players who play at international level for England in that one league you can clearly see next to no teams play 4-4-2 at least not as their primary formation, Chelsea don’t, United rarely play that way, Arsenal don’t, nor do Spurs, Liverpool, Man City, Everton or Villa. They all play variations of 4-3-3, 4-5-1, 4-2-3-1.

Capello won’t deviate from the status quo for both personnel & formation/tactics. It’s not so much about ‘Change this one aspect and we win the world cup! herp derp’ but it is about taking England forward and moving us in the right direction.

Your spot on about the media in the other page though, they’re an absolute blight on the English game but they are also here to stay jus have to look past them, always kind of respected Fergusons no nonsense bullying stance against them, especially morons that work for rags like the Sun.

Modifié par Jiggasaurus, 23 mars 2011 - 06:32 .

[Druss99]

Jiggasaurus wrote...

Druss99 wrote...

Jiggasaurus wrote...

England will never prosper with the inability to move from the 4-4-2 formation, it'll just be more of the same haemorrhaging possession, get some goal-scoring pacey wingers (Theo+ Adam Johnson) in a 4-2-3-1 formation, playing off and around Rooney or Carroll with Wilshere as one of the two deeper midfielders keeping the play ticking over.

Englands inability to keep possession has more to do with their midfielders being sh*te than any formation. Of their current midfielders only Carrick is any good at keeping possession and he disapears too often in big games. Hargreaves was great at it, Wilshere looks good so far. But the old guard Lampard, Gerrard, Barry and co. are terrible at it and play too much like its about them rather than the team. Theres a reason Heskey was in the team.

Of course it is not just the midfield or formation when considering possession at international level it would be naive to even think so.

When analysing all the top flight Premier league clubs and having nearly all the players who play at international level for England in that one league you can clearly see next to no teams play 4-4-2 at least not as their primary formation, Chelsea don’t, United rarely play that way, Arsenal don’t, nor do Spurs, Liverpool, Man City, Everton or Villa. They all play variations of 4-3-3, 4-5-1, 4-2-3-1.

Capello won’t deviate from the status quo for both personnel & formation/tactics. It’s not so much about ‘Change this one aspect and we win the world cup! herp derp’ but it is about taking England forward and moving us in the right direction.

Your spot on about the media in the other page though, they’re an absolute blight on the English game but they are also here to stay jus have to look past them, always kind of respected Fergusons no nonsense bullying stance against them, especially morons that work for rags like the Sun.

United only play the 4-3-3/4-5-1 in big games, they play a 4-4-2 in all other games, I see your point though. Hasn't Capello tried a 4-3-3 before? I vaguely remember him trying one but can't remember where. I honestly don't believe he trusts his midfielders to stay in position and keep the ball, thats why he plays people like Heskey, Davis, Crouch and Carroll. He wants to bypass the midfield as much as possible. The "golden generation" consisted of one man more famous for his hair and wife than football and a bunch of overrated glory hunters. I think that speaks volumes of the problems the team is having. I don't mean the problems of not winning things, I mean the problems of never looking like progressing like its the same thing over and over again. Though I hear Lampard has been dropped to the bench, which is a start.

If we were to go with Auto's suggestion of playing the youngsters then who would get in the team?

Modifié par Druss99, 23 mars 2011 - 01:16 .

[Jiggasaurus]

Playing inexperienced youth will only get us so far, especially when giving consideration to how the media slaughter any good new talent when they *shock, horror* don’t turn out to be the next Maradona. It would however help with a formation and tactical change to get players that can play and want to play possession retention, passing game, as opposed to the hoof the ball up the pitch, into space, but never to feet, crap that we fail with.

Walcott, Wilshere, Jack Rodwell & Chris Smalling are relatively young for their positions (I’d put an outside bet on Ipswich Towns Connor Wickham too who will be snapped up by a Premier League club this summer), the generation above them would be the likes of Lennon, Ashley Young, Gary Cahill, Adam Johnson & Joe Hart. England’s striker selection is appallingly average, Rooney’s the best by a country mile, that’s why we should look to get goals from the width rather than a 4-4-2 where the wingers are predominantly there to supply the strikers.

The squad should be freshened up keep the centre backs Ferdinand+Terry but start to give experience to the rest of the potential candidates, taking the status quo to the next Euro’s just to simply fall at the same hurdle or give brand-Beckham a few caps would be a total fail on Capello’s behalf, so he needs to make it happen. If we spend the next year in international friendlies/qualifiers with our players jogging around or being stationary never moving, running out of passing options from being to slow & ending up hoofing the ball up to Carroll there is no hope.

[Druss99]

So something like....

GK: Hart

RB: Kyle Walker (atleast I think hes English)
CB: Smalling
CB: Cahill
LB: Gibbs

CM: Wilshere
CM: Rodwell
CM: Lansbury/Jones depending on the opposition

LW: Young
CF: Rooney
RW: Adam Johnson

That would be acceptable to both your styles? It actually doesn't look too bad on paper to me. Plenty of pace out wide with those fullbacks and Ashley Young. Solid midfield and Lansbury/Rooney/Johnson/Young are creative enough. Would just require someone to stick the chances away which the front three are capable of on their day.

[Druss99]

Autolycus wrote...

In other news....

Ferdinand, Terry, Crouch and Milner...say there is no unrest in the camp...

Which can only mean...

There is plently of unrest in the camp rofl....

I saw some of the press conferences earlier and they were constantly battered with questions about unrest in the camp. I'd have walked out to be honest. You have to love the English media and its determination to undermine Capello.

[Druss99]

It would take one bad result and the whole thing would fall apart. The press would turn on them and atleast one of them would be massacred. Especially if Redknapp was incharge "Not my fault guv, Capello left me with useless players."

But as you say it would never ever happen. I saw some guy on Sky Sports News calling for a complete reform of the FA yesterday. Can't see that happening either.

[Druss99]

I'm going for 2-1 England but it will be painted as a victory in spite of Capello while at the same time building the hype for England to win the European Championships and installing themselves as favourites.

[OBakaSama]

Any victory will be picked apart by the media. I'm sure they try to justify it by calling it 'constructive criticism'.

Can't recall when Capello changed formations, but I do recall his predecessors changing formations and England played worse than usual (quite an achievement in itself I think).

Like a lot of club football, the England team management (whether that is the figurehead of the manager or the FA) seem to ignore the whole 'building for the future' attitude.

[Druss99]

Maybe I'm getting him mixed up with previous managers then.

Benitez is on giving interviews about wanting to go back to Liverpool and how he left a stronger "skwad" than the one thats there now. I love his lack of dignity.

Norwich have got Sam Vokes and Danni Pacheco on loan, they having injury problems up front?

[Merilsell]

*Is happy with her national team*

Then again...I'm not from the UK

[Nattfare]

Merilsell wrote...

*Is happy with her national team*

Then again...I'm not from the UK

Indeed! Germany has a young and a very interesting team going on.

[OBakaSama]

Good for them. *Mumbles*

Norwich: I'd like to think it's a concerted push to finish up high in the table. Though with one of Liverpool's outstanding prospects I have to admit feeling somewhat...ambivalent about Pachecho. Oh well...

Druss: Maybe not. Capello may have changed formations; I just don't remember when. I do recall an incident when England had a change in formation and the players wanted to revert back to 4-4-2. Oh...can't remember who (could have been Sven) but remember the experiment of having Beckham as a holding midfielder?

[Druss99]

Technically has two national teams and is happy with neither.

I remember that OBaka all the fuss about playing Beckham as a "quarterback". You'd think he invented football the way the press go on about him rather than being a decent winger who looks like a model. I get genuinely offended when he is mentioned amongst our great wingers ahead of Kanchelskis, it makes me want to ask people "You wanna feel how hard I can punch?".

I also remember attempts to play either Ferdinand, King or Carragher as a holding midfielder.

[OBakaSama]

If memory serves, when King was played as a holding midfielder he did a pretty good job of it. I think that was when he stopped Henry in his tracks. Mind you, this was before his knee problems took hold I think. (A hazy memory never lets me down. Wait a minute...) He also played with Lampard as Gerrard was injured at the time; and even then seemingly everyone knew the Lampard/Gerrard combination doesn't work.

[Druss99]

They found neanderthal cave paintings that depict that pairing not working. It was hard to tell though that it was Lampard, only once it was revealed his goal on the painting had taken 3 deflections and he was doing nothing else did they realise it was him. Gerrards was on the wrong wall.

Also continuing my anti-Redknapp agenda I notice top-top senior has come out with a statement blaming Wales for Gareth Bales injury. I'm calling it right now, within the next few weeks he will be out moaning about how Wales cost Spurs a result and lambasting these international matches. Wales are saying Bale turned up complaining with the injury for the record.

Modifié par Druss99, 25 mars 2011 - 02:42 .