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Posté 31 mars 2011 - 11:32
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It's a general reaction on Big Sh**e Allardyce knowing anything about football.
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Posté 31 mars 2011 - 12:37
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Mid season international matches takes away the rythm from the leagues, it's fine if it is a tournament as you say Druss... though Wenger never agrees with the African tournament.
England feels like a reflection on todays football, overpayed and overrated players that only cares about their paycheck. They only play internationals to get more money and to satisfy their own egos.
Well Beckham WAS a good player wasn't he? He seemed more honest than other players anyway.
Must be really fun to be you Druss, manic women stabbing you in the back, got more injuries than Jackie Chan (or not) and angry teamamtes throwing bikes at you....
I think Wengers problem with it is the timing of it every other January, it messes sh*t up. Which is exactly what will happen if the Qatar World Cup happens in January everything will go t*ts up. Though I hear they invented a cloud machine to provide cloud cover in the summer. The whole world can see how retarded it was giving them the world cup.
Exactly right on England, then they try to convince the fans how proud they are to wear the shirt and I don't think anyone buys it at all. I've trouble supporting Ferdinand and Rooney at United and they aren't even the biggest tw@ts in the England team.
Beckham was good but he was never even close to being great, not how he is portrayed by the media, you'd think he invented football the way they go on about him and he was some sort of mixture between Jesus and Lionel Messi. He's the last person I'd call honest too, he is a brand so everything he says is carefully orchestrated to get the right reaction. I don't mind him really, its the way the media go on about him and lap up his publicity stunts that bugs me.
It used to be fun to be me but then I got old and people stopped being as demented as they used to be, life is boring, I miss mental people. Playing on a team not full of mentalists brought the realisation that I'm actually a bit on the crap side too. Dark days indeed.
I've never minded Allardyce. I like the fact he gets up peoples noses and remains convinced he is the best manager ever despite all evidence to the contrary.
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Posté 31 mars 2011 - 04:28
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The African Cup of Nations does provide a logistic nightmare for teams with a few African players in their squad no doubt. Cue a lot of (partially understandable) moaning.
Beckham was a fine player in his day I think. Not the most vocal of captains for his country, but for the most part I think he gave as much as he could to the cause. (In that respect I would consider him 'honest'.)
Druss, if you fancy mentalists I would probably tentatively suggest getting mixed up with academics; it's a very different sort of...mentality. Mind you...it's all very disillusioning.
Allardyce: remember that thing when he reckon he could win the league if he were the manager of one of Europe's top teams?
Beckham was a fine player in his day I think. Not the most vocal of captains for his country, but for the most part I think he gave as much as he could to the cause. (In that respect I would consider him 'honest'.)
Druss, if you fancy mentalists I would probably tentatively suggest getting mixed up with academics; it's a very different sort of...mentality. Mind you...it's all very disillusioning.
Allardyce: remember that thing when he reckon he could win the league if he were the manager of one of Europe's top teams?
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Posté 31 mars 2011 - 04:41
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Exactly OBaka but the moaning is always as if they are surprised by the tournament like they didn't know this happens despite moaning about it last time too.
He was a good player, I don't deny that for a second. But he was never as good as he was made out to be, he just has the best PR people in all of sport. I don't trust anything he does and consider everything just to be part of his "image". But I'm a cynic.
Do you mean academics like Uni teachers and stuff? My mate knows a few and the three nights I went drinking with them were horrendous. I've never met such stuck up, fragile and easily offended judgemental fools in my life. It made me glad I grew up stupid.
I agree with him, he would win the league if he managed one of Europes top clubs. Thats the reason Mourinho is so successful he is always managing the top team in the league. I reckon Fat Sam would do the same.
He was a good player, I don't deny that for a second. But he was never as good as he was made out to be, he just has the best PR people in all of sport. I don't trust anything he does and consider everything just to be part of his "image". But I'm a cynic.
Do you mean academics like Uni teachers and stuff? My mate knows a few and the three nights I went drinking with them were horrendous. I've never met such stuck up, fragile and easily offended judgemental fools in my life. It made me glad I grew up stupid.
I agree with him, he would win the league if he managed one of Europes top clubs. Thats the reason Mourinho is so successful he is always managing the top team in the league. I reckon Fat Sam would do the same.
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Posté 31 mars 2011 - 09:15
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Yep, I do mean those kind of academics. Having been a student for a few years...well, I got out while I still had some common sense. Some are crazy no doubt about it. Also, one need not be at university to be 'clever', believe you me, some of the dumbest people I have ever encountered are university students. Anyway....
Beckham is a PR machine in that sense. In his role as a celebrity, no, I wouldn't really trust much of anything he's trying to sell. Mind you, people find it difficult to sell me anything. I pretty much ignore adverts trying to sell me a product; I'm more interested in something a bit more factual (like whether this place is doing a sale on something, that sort of thing). That sort of PR related sort of thing overshadows his football; hence the circus thing. Though why can't readers just ignore that sort of news item? Hm....
Allardyce at a top club: actually it would be interesting to see whether he could hold true to his word. A part of me would agree that most people could do a job with the sort of resources available to them at the big clubs. But in Allardyce's case I feel some fans would have booed him out of the door with his brand of football.
Also...Benitez didn't exactly seem to do a particularly rosy job when at Inter. You ever notice Benitez's solution was always to buy players even though he had just a player or two in the transfer window? Come to think of it, that's what 'Arry does of late as well. 'E hasn't done much wheelin' and dealin' for a long time.
Actually, that brings me to something else: bringing talent through. Certain managers and their backroom staff have a knack of producing good players that help the club; others obviously don't. Thoughts on who can or can't do so?
You have the stalwarts like Wenger and Ferguson producing players capable of playing for the team on a fairly consistent basis. Buying rough diamonds and polishing them as it were.
Then there are those which I would question. Ancelotti I'm not sure about. His tenure at Milan isn't bad by any means, but he left a side in need of new blood. It makes me wonder if he can bring talent through the ranks. If he can't, and if he isn't sacked by Abramovich, I can see Chelsea being a repeat of what happened there (and it seems it's happening now to an extent).
Managers like Mourinho haven't stayed in one place long enough to even make an informed judgement as to their abilities in that area.
Waffle over.
Beckham is a PR machine in that sense. In his role as a celebrity, no, I wouldn't really trust much of anything he's trying to sell. Mind you, people find it difficult to sell me anything. I pretty much ignore adverts trying to sell me a product; I'm more interested in something a bit more factual (like whether this place is doing a sale on something, that sort of thing). That sort of PR related sort of thing overshadows his football; hence the circus thing. Though why can't readers just ignore that sort of news item? Hm....
Allardyce at a top club: actually it would be interesting to see whether he could hold true to his word. A part of me would agree that most people could do a job with the sort of resources available to them at the big clubs. But in Allardyce's case I feel some fans would have booed him out of the door with his brand of football.
Also...Benitez didn't exactly seem to do a particularly rosy job when at Inter. You ever notice Benitez's solution was always to buy players even though he had just a player or two in the transfer window? Come to think of it, that's what 'Arry does of late as well. 'E hasn't done much wheelin' and dealin' for a long time.
Actually, that brings me to something else: bringing talent through. Certain managers and their backroom staff have a knack of producing good players that help the club; others obviously don't. Thoughts on who can or can't do so?
You have the stalwarts like Wenger and Ferguson producing players capable of playing for the team on a fairly consistent basis. Buying rough diamonds and polishing them as it were.
Then there are those which I would question. Ancelotti I'm not sure about. His tenure at Milan isn't bad by any means, but he left a side in need of new blood. It makes me wonder if he can bring talent through the ranks. If he can't, and if he isn't sacked by Abramovich, I can see Chelsea being a repeat of what happened there (and it seems it's happening now to an extent).
Managers like Mourinho haven't stayed in one place long enough to even make an informed judgement as to their abilities in that area.
Waffle over.
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Posté 31 mars 2011 - 11:00
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Bloody academics one of them spent the whole night crying the first night I met them which was irritating me so I finally asked what was wrong and apparently she saw her ex with a Mexican. I assumed she meant the food and then got even more curious when I found out she meant the people, apparently my line of questioning was politically incorrect. Whats the world coming to?
I'd like to see Allardyce given a chance to see if he could get a team playing successfully any other way.
Thats all 'Arry has ever done except he never had the big bucks before. Don't forget the mess he left Portsmouth and Southampton in with his over spending. I like how he has come out with his usual quote of being down to the bare bones. Down to two centrebacks. Well when two of your centrebacks are King and Woodgate what do you expect? Also Corluka wasn't mentioned as one of the injured and he can play in there. He's getting himself an excuse already and his media buddies are lapping it up, it was todays top story on SSN.
Benitez is a strange one, he has had success but seems to do more harm than good with his approach. Its like he has had success in spite of himself.
Everton have brought alot of young players through so I suppose you could put Moyes in that category. Villa and Middlesboro recently too but I think alot of it is down to how good the academy is. Good academy and a manager good/brave enough to bring the players in is whats needed.
I don't think Mourinho could bring young players through, he seems to rely too much on signing big name experienced players who don't require much coaching.
I'd like to see Allardyce given a chance to see if he could get a team playing successfully any other way.
Thats all 'Arry has ever done except he never had the big bucks before. Don't forget the mess he left Portsmouth and Southampton in with his over spending. I like how he has come out with his usual quote of being down to the bare bones. Down to two centrebacks. Well when two of your centrebacks are King and Woodgate what do you expect? Also Corluka wasn't mentioned as one of the injured and he can play in there. He's getting himself an excuse already and his media buddies are lapping it up, it was todays top story on SSN.
Benitez is a strange one, he has had success but seems to do more harm than good with his approach. Its like he has had success in spite of himself.
Everton have brought alot of young players through so I suppose you could put Moyes in that category. Villa and Middlesboro recently too but I think alot of it is down to how good the academy is. Good academy and a manager good/brave enough to bring the players in is whats needed.
I don't think Mourinho could bring young players through, he seems to rely too much on signing big name experienced players who don't require much coaching.
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Posté 31 mars 2011 - 11:01
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just a bit more about england. yeah, over here across the pond, england get attention just cause they are england and have one of the top leagues. its a big deal (oohhh, england) but as you mentioned, they aren't that good. what they need is someone to inject passion into the team, and make them actually care about the national team.
yeah, and to add about certain managers, teams having the ability to bring up young talent while others just can't seem to bring any quality players through, that definitely holds up over here. in baseball, there are teams with really good farm systems (nickname for the youth development leagues) that always seem to develop good talent, while other teams just don't have a knack for it.
yeah, and to add about certain managers, teams having the ability to bring up young talent while others just can't seem to bring any quality players through, that definitely holds up over here. in baseball, there are teams with really good farm systems (nickname for the youth development leagues) that always seem to develop good talent, while other teams just don't have a knack for it.
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Posté 01 avril 2011 - 12:40
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Trying to pinpoint whats wrong with the England team is an endless debate, we have been at it for nearly a year in here lol. The players are generally scum, the media is nothing but a blight and the infrastructure for training young players seems to be way behind the rest of Europe, just like the rest of the UK. I'd find it hard not to care with Stuart Pearce around though, the fear of being murdered for not putting in enough effort would inspire me personally.
Most American sports have that draft system though don't they where the worse you finish the higher your choice in next years draft? Good farm teams are alot of factors too, the right coaches and the right area with enough kids playing the sport are pretty big factors.
About 12 years ago Middlesboro were really scouring Ireland, they were offering trials to just about anyone and open days for their coaches to do all day training sessions looking for players 19 and under. Pretty much every town and village near here no matter how small had scouts turning up in it. I'm willing to bet they were doing that allover the UK, other teams have alot of scouts here but they seemed to be really aggressively looking. It seems to have paid off with some of the young English players they have brought through in the last 5 or 6 years, not sure if they have actually brought through many Irish players.
Most American sports have that draft system though don't they where the worse you finish the higher your choice in next years draft? Good farm teams are alot of factors too, the right coaches and the right area with enough kids playing the sport are pretty big factors.
About 12 years ago Middlesboro were really scouring Ireland, they were offering trials to just about anyone and open days for their coaches to do all day training sessions looking for players 19 and under. Pretty much every town and village near here no matter how small had scouts turning up in it. I'm willing to bet they were doing that allover the UK, other teams have alot of scouts here but they seemed to be really aggressively looking. It seems to have paid off with some of the young English players they have brought through in the last 5 or 6 years, not sure if they have actually brought through many Irish players.
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Posté 01 avril 2011 - 03:06
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Trying to pinpoint whats wrong with the England team is an endless debate, we have been at it for nearly a year in here lol. The players are generally scum, the media is nothing but a blight and the infrastructure for training young players seems to be way behind the rest of Europe, just like the rest of the UK. I'd find it hard not to care with Stuart Pearce around though, the fear of being murdered for not putting in enough effort would inspire me personally.
Most American sports have that draft system though don't they where the worse you finish the higher your choice in next years draft? Good farm teams are alot of factors too, the right coaches and the right area with enough kids playing the sport are pretty big factors.
About 12 years ago Middlesboro were really scouring Ireland, they were offering trials to just about anyone and open days for their coaches to do all day training sessions looking for players 19 and under. Pretty much every town and village near here no matter how small had scouts turning up in it. I'm willing to bet they were doing that allover the UK, other teams have alot of scouts here but they seemed to be really aggressively looking. It seems to have paid off with some of the young English players they have brought through in the last 5 or 6 years, not sure if they have actually brought through many Irish players.
lol, fair enough mate
that is one thing that is universal, the importance of encouraging young kids to develop great, fundamental skills. i know druss you said you live in northern ireland, and probably the other posters live in or around the uk, so no doubt you guys understand the situation better. the draft system they have is kind of tricky and works a little differently for each sport. in basketball, the draft is very very important. they have a whole system with a lottery, and whoever has the first pick gets a great opportunity to completely change their team around by choosing any athlete going from college to the nba. with games composed of 5 a side, one great player can have a huge impact. in american football, its still very important, but there are a more rounds (all the teams taking a pick constitues a round). generally, one pick is not make it or break it, but spots in the first round are highly coveted. for baseball, the draft is actually not that important. teams can get players if they are good enought straight out of highschool in their farm systems, and they basically just play and develop till they get good enough to make it to the majors (a little like the youth teams and the offical premiership lineup). also, a lot of countries in the caribbean, south america and japan play baseball, so they can bring in talent from abroad. sorry if its a long read, but pretty much its geared so that teams do not horde all the good players and the level of quality is spread around.
that is actually one of the main differences between sports in the u.s. and europe. in the u.s., any team if they have a pretty good squad, has a chance to win the championship (title). wheras, realisitcally speaking, man u look like they are going to win the title, and la liga has recently been between real madrid and barca. (2 out of 20, are you serious?)
however, this is in no way trying to say one kind of sport is better then the other, just different. both have their pluses and minuses. just one example, u.s. sports has tons of commercials in it, the continous flow of play in football is so nice compared to the constant interruptions in the aforementioned top 3 sports of the u.s. also, did not mean to go in this freaking direction w/ the post, but dang, once you start writing, the mind wanders! (also, didn't want to just delete it)
getting back on course, yeah, it really does take a while to develop players. look what happens when teams just buy stars looking to get results. not to say it doesn't work, but its been kind of spotty. just recently there are some pretty standout examples of this. it takes time and investment, and not just the monetary kind. now, is there any football going on this weekend?
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Posté 01 avril 2011 - 09:43
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I'm not saying you shouldn't do it, just prepare to go in baffling circles and then right back to the drawing board at the next major tournament lol.
I watch alot of NHL, well I did until a few months ago when I realised I was actually spending half my night watching commercials. I reckon the sheer number of ad breaks in American tv is why theres so much gun crime over there. I know it would drive me to going mental with an uzi. I like how the draft system works but I don't think it would ever work in Europe, the elite clubs wouldn't stand for not being able to horde talent. It seems alot harder to keep a good team together in American sports too.
Its nearly always been between Barca and Real in Spain, it seems so rare when someone else challenges. I wouldn't say United are realistically going to win the league just yet, we haven't been great this year, have a few injuries and alot of big games coming up.
But atleast proper club football returns tomorrow, or tonight in some places I think. Never thought I'd be so glad to witness a trip to West Ham.
I watch alot of NHL, well I did until a few months ago when I realised I was actually spending half my night watching commercials. I reckon the sheer number of ad breaks in American tv is why theres so much gun crime over there. I know it would drive me to going mental with an uzi. I like how the draft system works but I don't think it would ever work in Europe, the elite clubs wouldn't stand for not being able to horde talent. It seems alot harder to keep a good team together in American sports too.
Its nearly always been between Barca and Real in Spain, it seems so rare when someone else challenges. I wouldn't say United are realistically going to win the league just yet, we haven't been great this year, have a few injuries and alot of big games coming up.
But atleast proper club football returns tomorrow, or tonight in some places I think. Never thought I'd be so glad to witness a trip to West Ham.
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Posté 01 avril 2011 - 03:47
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Actually those posts on the whole draft thing were very insightful, modjospinster. It certainly adds to the discussion. A system like that would allow a certain amount of equality between the teams instead of the rich teams just picking up players from wherever they like. (It'll never happen though given where the power lies, but it is intriguing nonetheless.)
Redknapp does have a knack of leaving clubs in dire straits. Let's see how Tottenham fare a few years after he has gone (to think they also posted a profit). Portsmouth were an absolute wreck, though I think the various owners certainly didn't help.
I think there was a thing on F365 about Benitez's stint at Valencia. It might just have been a fan's comment but it stated that he inherited a good team and won the league. Given his track record in signings...well...not exactly the most reliable person to judge talent it would seem.
Good point about Everton though, Druss, they do have a few players coming through.
West Ham's academy is supposed to pretty good as well, isn't it?
And...proper footie. I get to watch TV again.
Redknapp does have a knack of leaving clubs in dire straits. Let's see how Tottenham fare a few years after he has gone (to think they also posted a profit). Portsmouth were an absolute wreck, though I think the various owners certainly didn't help.
I think there was a thing on F365 about Benitez's stint at Valencia. It might just have been a fan's comment but it stated that he inherited a good team and won the league. Given his track record in signings...well...not exactly the most reliable person to judge talent it would seem.
Good point about Everton though, Druss, they do have a few players coming through.
West Ham's academy is supposed to pretty good as well, isn't it?
And...proper footie. I get to watch TV again.
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Posté 01 avril 2011 - 04:13
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Yeah draft system is definately interesting and it demands a very high level of scouting on each player because your banking so much on them by picking them first. I don't think it would ever work in Europe with transfer fees and all that though, the elite want to stay elite and as you say OBaka they hold the power.
I think Spurs will do better after hes left, someone who knows what they are doing and doesn't insist on signing an endless spree of attacking midfielders when they need pretty much anything but that will come in and do well. I never understood why they sacked Jol in the first place.
When Benitez won the Champions League with Liverpool he had inherited someone elses team too. You could level the same thing at Mourinho though, Chelsea had finished second or third before he took over and were clearly getting there with all the money they spent, Inter had spent years winning the league and building that team before he took too, Porto are always near the top of the league as are Real Madrid. He just doesn't stick around long enough for it to turn sour.
I'm not sure whos come through for West Ham in recent years? I know before they got relegated they brought through Lampard, Defoe, Joe Cole, Ferdinand, Glen Johnson and a few others. Not sure what that says about the quality though.
Edit: Does anyone have any thoughts on the Bosnia-Herzagovina being banned by FIFA because of the make up of their governing body? Its a tad on the ridiculous side in my opinion.
I think Spurs will do better after hes left, someone who knows what they are doing and doesn't insist on signing an endless spree of attacking midfielders when they need pretty much anything but that will come in and do well. I never understood why they sacked Jol in the first place.
When Benitez won the Champions League with Liverpool he had inherited someone elses team too. You could level the same thing at Mourinho though, Chelsea had finished second or third before he took over and were clearly getting there with all the money they spent, Inter had spent years winning the league and building that team before he took too, Porto are always near the top of the league as are Real Madrid. He just doesn't stick around long enough for it to turn sour.
I'm not sure whos come through for West Ham in recent years? I know before they got relegated they brought through Lampard, Defoe, Joe Cole, Ferdinand, Glen Johnson and a few others. Not sure what that says about the quality though.
Edit: Does anyone have any thoughts on the Bosnia-Herzagovina being banned by FIFA because of the make up of their governing body? Its a tad on the ridiculous side in my opinion.
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What the hell is happening down at Upton Park today?????
What the hell is happening down at Upton Park today?????
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Posté 02 avril 2011 - 01:14
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You wouldn't believe it. We have been battering them they spent most of the match in their own box while Valencia tortures Bridge and gets crosses in but we are constantly inches away from getting on the end of them. Then two mistakes and two penalties, can't argue with either. Rooney just scored a cracking freekick though and Vidic is very lucky to still be on the pitch.
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Posté 02 avril 2011 - 01:19
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2-2 now the boy Rooney strikes again and gets my weekend bet up. Just need a winner now...
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Yeah can see Utd finishing them off now.
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Posté 02 avril 2011 - 01:27
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3-2 Rooney hattrick and I don't think that was ever a penalty. Upsons arm was down at his side and I don't see how he could have got it out of the way.
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Posté 02 avril 2011 - 01:43
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And thats it over. 4-2 with Hernandez adding a fourth, should have been five but Gibson is sh*te. He just missed a sitter and spent the last 10 minutes walking about like he owned the pitch, he wasn't even running he was walking like it was a practice match and game over. How does someone so crap get so arrogant?
Vidic was the last man and hauled down Ba, but they were allover each other and it could have gone either way. When the freekick was given Vidic could have easily been sent off but he was just booked, I think because Kuzscak was getting the ball ahead of Ba anyway. But it was a close one. Really don't think Rooney's third was a penalty, bit harsh. But the right result, other than the two penalties West Ham didn't have an attack to speak of and I don't think Kuzscak had a save to make.
Vidic was the last man and hauled down Ba, but they were allover each other and it could have gone either way. When the freekick was given Vidic could have easily been sent off but he was just booked, I think because Kuzscak was getting the ball ahead of Ba anyway. But it was a close one. Really don't think Rooney's third was a penalty, bit harsh. But the right result, other than the two penalties West Ham didn't have an attack to speak of and I don't think Kuzscak had a save to make.
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You get games like that Druss....adds to the excitement and interest I guess.
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Aye it was a strange one, even when 2-0 down I never doubted for a second we would win. Valencia was fantastic and if he could only use his left foot he would be unplayable.
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6-0......woooooooooooooohhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh........
Premiership here we come
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hahahahahahahaha...........Liverpool lost....to Hodgesons team....lmao....hahahahahahahahah
Premiership here we come
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hahahahahahahaha...........Liverpool lost....to Hodgesons team....lmao....hahahahahahahahah
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aw dang, just missed the man u match. they're showing stoke-chelsea, (70th minute) pretty good back and forth right now.
if they could get the draft system to work in the premier league, it could signal something good. the top clubs bring in a lot of talent, and its usually pretty pricey. if they had a draft, it might be in response to a good problem england might have, and that is how to distribute all their good players. if i can offer one more thing about sports in the u.s. the nhl for sure, and i forget which ones of the other 3 have it, have salary caps. teams have a limit of how much they can spend on their team, but that has a whole nother can of worms in how it would work in the premiership. (there are quite a few benefits, but it would be imperative that england have really good domestic players, like germany)
and yeah obaka, some of benitez's signings have been....interesting
p.s. just saw the west ham man u highlights, looked like a good match
if they could get the draft system to work in the premier league, it could signal something good. the top clubs bring in a lot of talent, and its usually pretty pricey. if they had a draft, it might be in response to a good problem england might have, and that is how to distribute all their good players. if i can offer one more thing about sports in the u.s. the nhl for sure, and i forget which ones of the other 3 have it, have salary caps. teams have a limit of how much they can spend on their team, but that has a whole nother can of worms in how it would work in the premiership. (there are quite a few benefits, but it would be imperative that england have really good domestic players, like germany)
and yeah obaka, some of benitez's signings have been....interesting
p.s. just saw the west ham man u highlights, looked like a good match
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Posté 02 avril 2011 - 04:32
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Stoke-Chelsea 1-1, hmm would appear it's out of the race for Chelsea. Between Utd and Arsenal now and I'm pretty much expecting Arsenal to slay Blackburn.
And 4-2 for Utd from 2-0 down at West Ham and Fergie still wants to sell Rooney?
And 4-2 for Utd from 2-0 down at West Ham and Fergie still wants to sell Rooney?
