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[Druss99]

The talk is Neymar is going to cost £40m, its a huge risk for a player with no experience of playing in Europe.

Transfer fees are strange nebulous things. Look at the money Liverpool are spending on players who haven't really proven anything compared to Sunderland getting O'Shea and Brown for £6m they have both won the CL twice, have several league titles and a few cups under their belts. I'm surprised we let them go so cheap and surprised we let O'Shea go at all. Its a strange market.

I think the whole wanting to keep them at the club to develop is a bargaining tool or thinking they might get more money next year if the player has improved enough.

On the Charlie Adam thing if watching him towards the end of the season is anything to go by then Liverpool might be hilarious to watch next season with him and Gerrard attempting constant long range passes straight to the other team or into the crowd.

[OBakaSama]

Whenever there's a pass to the crowd I always assume they just saw someone they knew and wanted to give them a souvenir.

I'll agree that the development thing is likely to be a bargaining tool, though it is one that also makes developmental sense (even though it might not be what they actually have in mind).

Oh...here's an interesting one: Man City are in dialogue with UEFA concerning the financial fairplay rules. Hm......

[Druss99]

Did you see the stunt City have pulled though? They are essentially sponsoring themselves now, allowing their owners to pump in massive amounts of money to get around the rules. They bought the naming rights to their own stadium for £100m.

[Merci357]

OBakaSama wrote...

Oh...here's an interesting one: Man City are in dialogue with UEFA concerning the financial fairplay rules. Hm......

Honestly, I don't think financial fairplay changes anything, at least not for now. Just one example from the Bundesliga. Vfl Wolfsburg is owned by Volkswagen. They spent €40-50m+, per season, for new players. On par with Bayern, and far, far more compared to any traditional team like Schalke or Dortmund (with ten times more fans and far, far larger statiums...). They pay a lot of money for the stadium name or shirt sponsorship, and as such are able to buy, like last year, Diego for €28m. Which is quite a lot when the "usual" (non Bayern) sum is like €5-10m for good players here...

However, compared to Man City they look like a small fish in the bigger european pond.

[OBakaSama]

That Wolfsburg example sounds like a dodge. What I mean by that is while the owner is essentially still putting in the money that is required for how they want to run the club the money is not through any company that is immediately part of the football club's business. What I mean by that is that if another company of theirs are sponsors then they are able to get around the rules. If they have enough money like that to chuck about...well...let's see how that plays out. What would be interesting is if the other company is accountable to other shareholders. If it is...well, maybe someone can point out the absurdity of the situation if it makes no financial sense to them.

Would still like to see a club fall foul of said impending regulations just to see if UEFA will stick to their guns.

[Druss99]

OBakaSama wrote...

Would still like to see a club fall foul of said impending regulations just to see if UEFA will stick to their guns.

They will....If its not a big club.

[OBakaSama]

Hm...there's integrity for you.

Come to think of it, what do you suppose the dialogue Man City had with UEFA was? Maybe UEFA told them how to get around the rules. *Cough*

[Druss99]

What happened with that dialogue? I've had no access to papers or internet so I'm somewhat out of the loop. I still managed to hear about Barca's latest talking about Fabregas without meeting the asking price though.

[OBakaSama]

Well...Man City were, I presume, somewhat concerned with what the financial fair play regulations would mean with regards to their rather extravagant expenditure. Since the sponsorship deal only came, what? yesterday after discussing said concerns....I'll let you complete that thought.

Well...to be fair *cough* Barcelona have been fairly quiet with respect to the Fabregas dealings; their players on the other hand have been expressing (what I'm sure certain people would maintain as) personal opinions which just happen to coincide with Barcelona's aims and wishes. I'm sure if they have to release a statement there would be a line citing that what the players said is in no way an official representation of Barcelona. (The whole legal mumbo-jumbo.)

[Druss99]

Summer transfers is where its at, the months of boredom are worth it for that one top quality purchase or bargain that makes all the difference at the end of the season.

I saw the shootout in the Brazil game, I dunno what was going on but them penalties were a joke. I never understand why players try stupid fancy things when under pressure like that. I prefer the tried and tested absolutely blast the f*cking thing and if the keeper actually saves well then thats his problem.

Tevez should have been dropped but he would have gone mad if he actually was dropped. Be interesting to see if he does end up back in Brazil or not, they might have the transfer fee but can they afford wages and signing on fees? What happens when he is closer to his daughters? Who's fault will it be when he asks for another transfer next year?

I get excited by more than disliking players theres also freekicks, boobs, United, boobs, Scousers, boobs, diving, boobs, seeing Berbatov instantly control the ball, boobs, curious man-love for Diego Forlan, boobs....

Edit: It seems that Man City have accepted Corinthians bid for Tevez. I bet they are kinda glad to be getting big bucks for him, no player is worth the hassle that Tevez seems hell bent on putting his clubs through.

Modifié par Druss99, 18 juillet 2011 - 07:18 .

[OBakaSama]

Corinthians for Tevez...that probably works out about £20 million a year and that's not taking into account wages and stuff.

I have read suggestions that Messi plays better for Barcelona than for Argentina; wouldn't surprise me if he didn't seem like his usual self. Different system, players and whatnot.

It does seem to have been a quiet transfer window, or perhaps a rather unspectacular one anyway. And...still keep an eye on things.

[Druss99]

Argentina seem to have alot of very similar players and seemingly bigger egos than Barca with Tevez and all. Theres also the fact that alot of teams in Spain are frankly sh*t. Not to take away from Messi at all, he is clearly the best player on the planet its just that international teams are probably better than most of the teams in Spain so thats why he doesn't destroy them quite as frequently as he does for Barca. Ofcourse that doesn't factor in the Champions League and the fact that I'm probably talking complete bollocks, its just a few factors to consider.

[Druss99]

Something different than the usual nonsense thats been going on....

http://www.football3...ay-face-penalty

[Nattfare]

A yellow for that? Seriously?

[OBakaSama]

Er...so now there's a rule that you must be facing the goalkeeper when scoring a goal? Perhaps penalty takers should also walk up to the goalkeeper and shake their hand before kicking the ball or something.

I really don't know any more.....Colour me confused.

[Druss99]

Its baffling, I heard that Robinho was once booked for doing too many step overs. The ref apparently thought he was taking the ****** and booked him. It may be along those lines.

[Nattfare]

Unless the referee thought that he was whipping cream for far too long.

Modifié par Nattfare, 20 juillet 2011 - 08:26 .

[OBakaSama]

So...football has to be played in an aesthetically pleasing way for the referee otherwise there's a booking. Riiiiiight..... Does that mean teams who play 'anti-football' forfeit the match because the ref doesn't like their playing style you think?

Starting to lose the will to live all of a sudden....

[Nattfare]

Every match with West Ham now then has to be forfeit...

[Druss99]

Mourinho would be banned from football. (In my opinion SHOULD be banned from football)

What do you all think of the whole Man City/FIFA thing? I really don't see how it benefits EA other than getting a pile of cash from City.

[OBakaSama]

The stop-start penalty thing does have me confused, modjo. I recall it being banned as it was plainly deceptive. But over the last couple of seasons I have seen players do that but the ref does nothing about it; it almost seems that it is accepted.

While we're on about penalties....this, though Cruyff didn't 'invent it' and the infamous botch aftermath by Henry and Pires (catch Henry's line about entertainment. [smilie]../../../images/forum/emoticons/wink.png[/smilie]). Now, while I understand that Henry was essentially employing damage limitation regarding that failed attempt as long as the rules do not disallow it I don't see any 'disrespect'. I certainly don't see it as 'disrespectful'. If doing something is 'disrespectful' hence it shouldn't be done, may we have teams appealing results because losing a match 8-0 is 'disrespectful'? "How about you just let us win 1-0 then?"

I feel as if I'm in ranting mood of late...

[Druss99]

Obaka's angry summer...

I'm pretty sure Ronaldo still does the stop start run fairly regularly, I recall either him or Rooney(possibly both) missing a penalty for us after doing it not too long ago.

The "pass" penalty to me is skirting the rules because your supposed to hit the ball in the direction of the goal and hitting it at a diagonal like that is pushing it a bit. I don't have a problem with it but a ref could interpret it as against the rules.

I seem to recall once trying a fancy penalty and making an utter tw@t out of myself. Did the one foot behind the other thing and barely connected with the ball, I'm not even sure it would have reached the goal line if the keeper had just let it go. I'd been belting them home with either foot and got a bit carried away.

On the whole 8-0 thing I recall I think it was in the NHL a few years ago one team absolutely hammered another team and the losers complained that it was unprofessional and unsporstmanlike to run the score up like that. It might have been the MLS but it was definately in America. I found it comical.

Modifié par Druss99, 21 juillet 2011 - 09:11 .

[Nattfare]

Well they complained about this penalty in NHL afterwards...