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[iTomes]

"I am curious as to why no explanation like this was given to the opening of Dragon Age Origins Awakening if your character ended up making the ultimate sacrifice. I'm not meaning to complain, I'm just curious why the team working on Awakening thought the best route would be to pretend the whole thing never happened.



Just thought I'd ask.



P.S. Dragon Age 2 looks awesome."



well it would have to be a giant beginning story. you cant just say: oh btw you were ressurected or something. and only a little part of the players would actually see it...

[Riona45]

Coridan wrote...
I am curious as to why no explanation like this was given to the opening of Dragon Age Origins Awakening if your character ended up making the ultimate sacrifice.  I'm not meaning to complain, I'm just curious why the team working on Awakening thought the best route would be to pretend the whole thing never happened.

I'm not the team, but I recall reading something to the effect of "if you don't mind handwaving your character's death (ie. saying it never happened), neither do we."  In other words, it was just an option for those who, I guess, regretted their choice.  More like a outright retcon than a resurrection.

Modifié par Riona45, 20 juillet 2010 - 07:05 .

[David Gaider]

Coridan wrote...
I am curious as to why no explanation like this was given to the opening of Dragon Age Origins Awakening if your character ended up making the ultimate sacrifice.  I'm not meaning to complain, I'm just curious why the team working on Awakening thought the best route would be to pretend the whole thing never happened.

I'm not sure I understand. Your character in Awakening was not ressurrected-- by importing the character you ret-conned the event. Not ideal, certainly, but it has nothing to do with the world as we never attempted to make an in-game explanation for what was an out-of-game decision.

[Kaiser Shepard]

David Gaider wrote...

Coridan wrote...
I am curious as to why no explanation like this was given to the opening of Dragon Age Origins Awakening if your character ended up making the ultimate sacrifice.  I'm not meaning to complain, I'm just curious why the team working on Awakening thought the best route would be to pretend the whole thing never happened.

I'm not sure I understand. Your character in Awakening was not ressurrected-- by importing the character you ret-conned the event. Not ideal, certainly, but it has nothing to do with the world as we never attempted to make an in-game explanation for what was an out-of-game decision.

God, you had to use the r-word, didn't you? Without going to much into the spoilery section of Origins, even though above posts already spoiled it, do you hereby confirm that one ending is indeed canon?

[David Gaider]

Kaiser Shepard wrote...
God, you had to use the r-word, didn't you? Without going to much into the spoilery section of Origins, even though above posts already spoiled it, do you hereby confirm that one ending is indeed canon?

Err... no? What are you talking about? Canon would imply that one version of events is the same for everyone moving forward. That was not the case in Awakening, so I'm not sure what you're referring to.

Modifié par David Gaider, 20 juillet 2010 - 07:40 .

[AntiChri5]

Its only a retcon if you make it so.



Its your choice to import, or leave as is.

[AntiChri5]

@Mr Gaider: He is asking if the Ultimate Sacrifice is no longer considered an ending to Origins and has been retconned away for all players.

[iTomes]

Kaiser Shepard wrote...

David Gaider wrote...

Coridan wrote...
I am curious as to why no explanation like this was given to the opening of Dragon Age Origins Awakening if your character ended up making the ultimate sacrifice.  I'm not meaning to complain, I'm just curious why the team working on Awakening thought the best route would be to pretend the whole thing never happened.

I'm not sure I understand. Your character in Awakening was not ressurrected-- by importing the character you ret-conned the event. Not ideal, certainly, but it has nothing to do with the world as we never attempted to make an in-game explanation for what was an out-of-game decision.

God, you had to use the r-word, didn't you? Without going to much into the spoilery section of Origins, even though above posts already spoiled it, do you hereby confirm that one ending is indeed canon?

im oficially confused....

[Kaiser Shepard]

David Gaider wrote...

Kaiser Shepard wrote...
God, you had to use the r-word, didn't you? Without going to much into the spoilery section of Origins, even though above posts already spoiled it, do you hereby confirm that one ending is indeed canon?

Err... no? What are you talking about? Canon would imply that one version of events is the same for everyone moving forward. That was not the case in Awakening, so I'm not sure what you're referring to.

Erhm, there has been some fear that the Ultimate Sacrifice ending in which none of the Wardens lay with lovely Morrigan - and thus the Warden dies - would not be acknowledged in futures games, the primary causes of this being Awakening apparently not doing so either storywise and the undeniable future plot potential of Morrigan and her child.

Modifié par Kaiser Shepard, 20 juillet 2010 - 07:48 .

[soteria]

I'm not sure I understand. Your character in Awakening was not ressurrected-- by importing the character you ret-conned the event. Not ideal, certainly, but it has nothing to do with the world as we never attempted to make an in-game explanation for what was an out-of-game decision.

Some of us would have liked to import the decisions from Origins into Awakening without bringing back the character. As you say, not ideal.

[Ahzrei]

Wizards First Rule is never broken.





1. People are stupid.

[iTomes]

Ahzrei wrote...

Wizards First Rule is never broken.


1. People are stupid.

as i can tell they're usually not broken, thats the sense of them....^^

[Tleining]

excuse me, but what exactly is your problem? Bioware gave us the option, to freely (more or less) choose our DA:O Ending. They then allowed us to use every character, no matter the ending, in Awakening. Can't you just accept this as a gift? Proof that these guys really care about what fans want? Why do you need to see this as proof about canon endings?

Just because Bioware is going to release ME3 does NOT mean, that one ME2 Ending is canon, and another isn't.

[Ryzaki]

Tleining wrote...

excuse me, but what exactly is your problem? Bioware gave us the option, to freely (more or less) choose our DA:O Ending. They then allowed us to use every character, no matter the ending, in Awakening. Can't you just accept this as a gift? Proof that these guys really care about what fans want? Why do you need to see this as proof about canon endings?
Just because Bioware is going to release ME3 does NOT mean, that one ME2 Ending is canon, and another isn't.

Actually the everybody dies ending in Me2 isn't canon.

Doesn't stop people from getting it though.

[David Gaider]

soteria wrote...
Some of us would have liked to import the decisions from Origins into Awakening without bringing back the character. As you say, not ideal.

Right. Not ideal, but also not canon. Canon would have simply been us, say, starting you with your Origins character alive as if the Dark Ritual had been performed no matter what... or starting you with your Origins character dead and you create a new character no matter what. The extrapolation here assuming canon exists when it clearly didn't is what's confusing me.

[Ahzrei]

David Gaider wrote...

soteria wrote...
Some of us would have liked to import the decisions from Origins into Awakening without bringing back the character. As you say, not ideal.

Right. Not ideal, but also not canon. Canon would have simply been us, say, starting you with your Origins character alive as if the Dark Ritual had been performed no matter what... or starting you with your Origins character dead and you create a new character no matter what. The extrapolation here assuming canon exists when it clearly didn't is what's confusing me.

It's just people using a word they don't completely understand, but knowing it has a negative connotation. But you knew that already "P

[Kaiser Shepard]

Oh... uhm... yeah, then you are not the only one who was confused. Carry on, then. Continue to amaze us with your fantastic tales.

[EmperorSahlertz]

Awakening accepts the Ultimate Sacrifice if you don't import any character and plays as an Orlesian Warden...



The reason you can import an already dead warden is only if you are going to retcon your own decision to make the ultimate sacrifice, in which case you overrule your own decision and effectively make it so someone (you or X or Y) made the ritual.

[DanaScu]

SirShreK wrote...

Withidread wrote...

I'm having trouble figuring out the significance of all this.

If there are cardinal rules, and if they have indeed been broken.... So what?

Someone care to enlighten me?

Just that I think that their being broken caused the Blight and stuff...

Wasn't the current Blight caused by the Architect mucking about attempting to make Urthemiel into a Disciple?

[iTomes]

"Wasn't the current Blight caused by the Architect mucking about attempting to make Urthemiel into a Disciple?"



SirShrek meant the Darkspawn (i think).

[Ahzrei]

EmperorSahlertz wrote...

Awakening accepts the Ultimate Sacrifice if you don't import any character and plays as an Orlesian Warden...

The reason you can import an already dead warden is only if you are going to retcon your own decision to make the ultimate sacrifice, in which case you overrule your own decision and effectively make it so someone (you or X or Y) made the ritual.

The Ultimate Sacrifice is the ONLY choice that awakening recognizes for a dead warden though.


What if your US warden put Anora on the throne? Awakening assumes you did not.



P.S: Retcon makes me sick.