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[Neo Hex Omega]

Now, by no means is this a Legion bash thread. I think Legion is a great and interesting character, and it's presence definitely adds more shades of grey to the geth and to the Mass Effect fiction in general.

But I have to wonder, why does virtually everyone seem to trust everything Legion says as if it were absolute truth? Legion is the one and only of the "true geth" that we ever encounter, in any way whatsoever. Every last other encounter with the geth is with the supposed "heretics". Funny how the Alliance and Council have officially been in a state of war with the geth for two years, and yet the "true geth" have never attempted contact, never rose up against the heretics, and never attempted in any way to dismiss the beliefs of most organics in the galaxy, that all geth are interested in nothing but the eradication of organic life.

When talking to Legion, it is clear that it knows virtually everything about the events of ME1, and yet it is the only geth unit ever encountered or heard of to acknowledge what happened, or to do anything about it. Add to this the fact that Legion is clearly damaged goods, and is proven capable of withholding knowledge if it so wishes, and one wonders if it is really giving us the full story.

I personally think Bioware has much more in store for Legion in ME3, and I don't believe it is going to be as benign a plot thread as many here seem to.

[II Sl4sh3r II]

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[-Skorpious-]

Geth do not intentionally infiltrate.

[Inquisitor Recon]

I keep him around because he does that cool head flap thing and might have some uses. Unfortunately I will probably end up umm... "decommissioning" him sometime during ME3. But I really don't trust him as far as I could throw him.

[maegi46]

The true Geth are on the Quarian homeworld The heretics left there to pursue their other goals and follow the Old Machines. Why would the true Geth need to engage in that war? They were not being attacked. I believe Legion because of several reasons. He followed you for 2 years, he knows full well who you are and what your goals are. He then joins your crew and helps you defeat more Reaper followers. Why would he fight against them if he is trying to fool you. Why contact you at all? the cutscene shows you in his sights with his Widow rifle, yet he chooses to kill to protect you. He also seems to be telling us the truth and is willing to help us either rewrite or completely destroy half his race? Dude, seriously, no one is going to go that far on a ruse. The only race the Geth hate are the Quarians. I can see them finally making peace and if not then still the Geth enemy is the Quarians. The geth never said they wanted to eradicate all organic life, only the heretics follow that plan because they got brainwashed or reprogrammed into thinking the Reapers are Gods and were following their orders. Much like Saren, any one indoctrinated is no longer acting of free will but simply a puppet following which strings the Master is pulling.

[wulf3n]

Neo Hex Omega wrote...
But I have to wonder, why does virtually everyone seem to trust everything Legion says as if it were absolute truth?

who knows, probably the same reason poeple trust Miranda, Jacob and TIM, i don't believe a word they say, especially about Cerberus' intentions, doesn't mean i can just go and vent them out an airlock.

Neo Hex Omega wrote...
Legion is the one and only of the "true geth" that we ever encounter, in any way whatsoever. Every last other encounter with the geth is with the supposed "heretics". Funny how the Alliance and Council have officially been in a state of war with the geth for two years, and yet the "true geth" have never attempted contact, never rose up against the heretics, and never attempted in any way to dismiss the beliefs of most organics in the galaxy, that all geth are interested in nothing but the eradication of organic life.

Organic life is generally mistrustful of geth, maybe the true geth don't wanna risk any of their ships, in a futile attempt to explain things, when most organics probably wouldn't care about the difference between them and the heretics.

Neo Hex Omega wrote...
When talking to Legion, it is clear that it knows virtually everything about the events of ME1, and yet it is the only geth unit ever encountered or heard of to acknowledge what happened, or to do anything about it. Add to this the fact that Legion is clearly damaged goods, and is proven capable of withholding knowledge if it so wishes, and one wonders if it is really giving us the full story.

I couldn't comment on how much legion knows about ME1 because i've never really heard him say much about it.

Neo Hex Omega wrote...
I personally think Bioware has much more in store for Legion in ME3, and I don't believe it is going to be as benign a plot thread as many here seem to.

Hopefully, it would make for an interesting twist.

[thegreateski]

I don't.



Truthfully I don't really trust most of my crew. Makes it much less shocking if they betray me.

[asaiasai]

maegi46 wrote...

The true Geth are on the Quarian homeworld The heretics left there to pursue their other goals and follow the Old Machines. Why would the true Geth need to engage in that war? They were not being attacked. I believe Legion because of several reasons. He followed you for 2 years, he knows full well who you are and what your goals are. He then joins your crew and helps you defeat more Reaper followers. Why would he fight against them if he is trying to fool you. Why contact you at all? the cutscene shows you in his sights with his Widow rifle, yet he chooses to kill to protect you. He also seems to be telling us the truth and is willing to help us either rewrite or completely destroy half his race? Dude, seriously, no one is going to go that far on a ruse. The only race the Geth hate are the Quarians. I can see them finally making peace and if not then still the Geth enemy is the Quarians. The geth never said they wanted to eradicate all organic life, only the heretics follow that plan because they got brainwashed or reprogrammed into thinking the Reapers are Gods and were following their orders. Much like Saren, any one indoctrinated is no longer acting of free will but simply a puppet following which strings the Master is pulling.

Exactly, which is why i waited till the end to take him along on Tali's loyalty mission, WHICH is quite interesting to say the least.

Asai

[maegi46]

this thread needs more cow bell

[Neo Hex Omega]

maegi46 wrote...

The true Geth are on the Quarian homeworld The heretics left there to pursue their other goals and follow the Old Machines. Why would the true Geth need to engage in that war? They were not being attacked. I believe Legion because of several reasons. He followed you for 2 years, he knows full well who you are and what your goals are. He then joins your crew and helps you defeat more Reaper followers. Why would he fight against them if he is trying to fool you. Why contact you at all? the cutscene shows you in his sights with his Widow rifle, yet he chooses to kill to protect you. He also seems to be telling us the truth and is willing to help us either rewrite or completely destroy half his race? Dude, seriously, no one is going to go that far on a ruse. The only race the Geth hate are the Quarians. I can see them finally making peace and if not then still the Geth enemy is the Quarians. The geth never said they wanted to eradicate all organic life, only the heretics follow that plan because they got brainwashed or reprogrammed into thinking the Reapers are Gods and were following their orders. Much like Saren, any one indoctrinated is no longer acting of free will but simply a puppet following which strings the Master is pulling.

I'm not suggesting that Legion is going to turn on Shepard in ME3. I personally think that Legion is either damaged goods, and is thus delusional, or it is simply a rogue platform. Therefore, I do not take Legion at it's word about everything it says. Hopefully we'll find out more in Mass Effect 3.

[Kijin]

People trust legion probably because it has no reason to betray you. When you first meet him, he could have easily shot your head off with a sniper rifle round - instead, he decided to help you. If Legion was actively working against Shepard, then he would already have died. He is the only Geth you meet that is seemingly Altruistic.

[NanQuan]

Kijin wrote...

People trust legion probably because it has no reason to betray you. When you first meet him, he could have easily shot your head off with a sniper rifle round - instead, he decided to help you. If Legion was actively working against Shepard, then he would already have died. He is the only Geth you meet that is seemingly Altruistic.

This.^

Also, I take everyone at their word until they give me an indication that I shouldn't trust them. Legion has been loyal thus far. Plus, as a machine, he doesn't have the same emotional complications to worry about and is less likely to lie. If in ME3 I start getting a bad vibe about him then I'll reconsider, but for now I think Legion is a really good character and I like having him around.

[Siansonea]

People trust Legion because he's cool-looking and he's a geth and they're awesome.

[Neo Hex Omega]

Siansonea II wrote...

People trust Legion because he's cool-looking and he's a geth and they're awesome.

Well, that may be, but he's also wearing the clothes you died in.

[Zack56]

You base your facts on organic Consciousness. As you may vary well know, (exept for the Asari) no organic can know the exact thaughts of another organic at any time they wish. As Legion states, All Geth can know what other Geth are thinking. They are capable to share thoughts and memories instantly as updates in their systems as they happen and this info can be accessed at anytime they are connected either when in close proximity, the FTL com bouys, or both. My point being that when Legoin connects to the com bouys, he can communicate with any geth already linked in, wheather that is 100 or half of all Geth in existence. Simply put, everyone puts trust in Legion because he can communicate and express the views of nearly all Geth in existence any time it's connected to the com bouys. Legion also states as to why only one platform was asigned to contact organics and that is because most organics still fear the Geth and what they did 300 years ago. If the Geth set an entire ship full of Geth to search for Shep and if the organics knew about it, they would have been tracked down and destroyed by an entire fleet.

[Kijin]

Here's a better question: is there a reason not to trust Legion? Legion seems to be far more reasonable than some of your other teammates (Jack comes to mind). More importantly, if his Loyalty Mission is any indication, Legion's primary concern is the survival of the true Geth. Since Legion made it clear that the true Geth and Organic Life can co-exist, Shepard has no reason to feel threatened by Legion.

[TheScientist]

thegreateski wrote...

I don't.

Truthfully I don't really trust most of my crew. Makes it much less shocking if they betray me.

I agree completely.

Modifié par TheScientist, 20 juillet 2010 - 05:17 .

[Jigero]

Well basically why would Legion lie? Legion being able to lie would undermine the entire gestalt of the Geth decision making. If Geth could falsify data, their society would basically collapse.

[II Sl4sh3r II]

Because of this.

Modifié par II Sl4sh3r II, 20 juillet 2010 - 05:37 .

[homestyle]

I also don't trust Legion.



When he "saved" you, it was against the husks. The husks were Legion's enemy too. His story seemed too convenient.



Even when Shepard brought him on board, Shep didn't trust him. It was only after Legion tells him the story and lets Shep destroy one geth base. But destroying 1 base should not be enough. I mean you destroyed one base easily in ME1 side mission.



That 1 base could've been planned all along. At the end of that mission for all we know there could've been humans on board the station.

[homestyle]

TheScientist wrote...

thegreateski wrote...

I don't.

Truthfully I don't really trust most of my crew. Makes it much less shocking if they betray me.

I agree completely.

+infinity.

lol. I never trusted Wrex or Tali in ME1.

[Massadonious1]

Shandepared wrote...

Liberalism.

[Neo Hex Omega]

Kijin wrote...

Here's a better question: is there a reason not to trust Legion? Legion seems to be far more reasonable than some of your other teammates (Jack comes to mind). More importantly, if his Loyalty Mission is any indication, Legion's primary concern is the survival of the true Geth. Since Legion made it clear that the true Geth and Organic Life can co-exist, Shepard has no reason to feel threatened by Legion.

I believe the intent of my question was misunderstood.

I have no reason to think that Legion itself will betray Shepard. What I want to know is, why do so many take it's word as absolute truth? It is the ONLY geth platform we have EVER communicated with. How do we know Legion isn't a bit off it's rocker, so to speak.

It just seems a bit far fetched for me to take it completely at it's word at this point in the story.