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[Tirigon]

Is it possible?

I know it is possible to persuade him not to break up, because I just did an hour ago, but I was using the Polygamy mod and in the Epilogue I got the ending where Leliana is my lover, not Alistair.

So I would like to know if it makes sense to romance him again and end all other relationships to get an epilogue where the warden (elf mage) and Alistair are married or if that won´t happen anyways.

[Herr Uhl]

Not if he becomes king.



If the two of you go off into the sunset wardening, who knows?

[Sandtigress]

No, it's not possible in-game to marry him. It is possible to end the game in a relationship with him (either as a Grey Wardens together or as his mistress), and as Grey Wardens I don't see why you can't RP that you got married, but the game never explicitly says it.



That's all for a non-human noble female, of course.

[Tirigon]

Gemaphrodite wrote...

Alistair, from what I can see, will not marry you (i.e. make you queen) if you are not a noble. My first playthrough was an an Elf and he wouldn't do it. The only way I could be with him was to make him stand-down from the throne and run off into the sunset as Grey Wardens. And he super loved me, too.

Sorry to break the bad news

I managed to make him stay with me and ingame he said that he is gonna do what he wants as king, that means he will marry my Warden, that much is clear.

What I wondered is whether the epilogue is supposed to say so and I didn´t get it because of polygamy mod, or whether it will never be written in the epilogue but always left to your imagination.

[Sarah1281]

Alistair can't marry you if you don't says say you'll be Queen as you're either infertile or both infertile AND not suitable for the position of Queen. Anyone a King marries will become the Queen. You can't do that which is why he tries to dump you and you can convince him to let you stay on as his MISTRESS. Or girlfriend, if you prefer.

[Avilia]

Tirigon wrote...

Gemaphrodite wrote...

Alistair, from what I can see, will not marry you (i.e. make you queen) if you are not a noble. My first playthrough was an an Elf and he wouldn't do it. The only way I could be with him was to make him stand-down from the throne and run off into the sunset as Grey Wardens. And he super loved me, too.

Sorry to break the bad news

I managed to make him stay with me and ingame he said that he is gonna do what he wants as king, that means he will marry my Warden, that much is clear.

What I wondered is whether the epilogue is supposed to say so and I didn´t get it because of polygamy mod, or whether it will never be written in the epilogue but always left to your imagination.

I'm reasonably sure that his doing what he wants is keeping your PC as his mistress.  He'll marry someone suitable to make an heir.

If you import that character into Awakenings his dialogue will be different than if you import a HNF that married him.  He'll not refer to you as his wife but 'my love'.

He'll only marry a HNF (unless there's a mod to change that - which there probably is ;-) )

[Sesshomaru47]

It doesn't mean he will marry you. Her... He will stay together though if you harden his personality in his quest. I was wondering though if you did that as a human noble would he marry you of his own will or not...

[Avilia]

Sesshomaru47 wrote...

It doesn't mean he will marry you. Her... He will stay together though if you harden his personality in his quest. I was wondering though if you did that as a human noble would he marry you of his own will or not...

He won't propose on his own.  Your PC always has to do the driving (er, so to speak).

Edit - spelling is gud

Modifié par Avilia, 20 juillet 2010 - 10:16 .

[Sarah1281]

Gemaphrodite wrote...

Dunno, I haven't got that far yet. I'm now on my second playthrough as a human noble. *fingers crossed* I will be so mad if he doesn't make me Queen this time...

You want to be Queen you have to show no hesitation about killing Loghain and announce that you will rule with Alistair.

[Sabariel]

Sarah1281 wrote...

Gemaphrodite wrote...

Dunno, I haven't got that far yet. I'm now on my second playthrough as a human noble. *fingers crossed* I will be so mad if he doesn't make me Queen this time...

You want to be Queen you have to show no hesitation about killing Loghain and announce that you will rule with Alistair.

And you have to "harden" him too. He won't marry you, even if you're a human Noble, if you don't harden him.

[Sandtigress]

Sabariel wrote...

Sarah1281 wrote...

Gemaphrodite wrote...

Dunno, I haven't got that far yet. I'm now on my second playthrough as a human noble. *fingers crossed* I will be so mad if he doesn't make me Queen this time...

You want to be Queen you have to show no hesitation about killing Loghain and announce that you will rule with Alistair.

And you have to "harden" him too. He won't marry you, even if you're a human Noble, if you don't harden him.

Yes he will (I'm 99.9% sure).  I believe as long as he's not hostile an HNF will get the chance to announce that she'll rule with him.

The exception to this is if you allow alistair to fight Loghain.  In this case, only an HNF that he loves will have the chance, otherwise he grabs the crown for himself and there is no option to pick ruling together.

Hardening determines whether he will keep you on as mistress, not whether you can rule with him.

[Sarah1281]

Sabariel wrote...

Sarah1281 wrote...

Gemaphrodite wrote...

Dunno, I haven't got that far yet. I'm now on my second playthrough as a human noble. *fingers crossed* I will be so mad if he doesn't make me Queen this time...

You want to be Queen you have to show no hesitation about killing Loghain and announce that you will rule with Alistair.

And you have to "harden" him too. He won't marry you, even if you're a human Noble, if you don't harden him.

What? I married him as a HNF my first playthrough and didn't even know hardening him was possible. He won't preserve your relationship if you don't become Queen if he's not hardened but all you need to marry him as a HNF who didn't initially offer to spare Loghain is him in love or decent persuasion (if he's in love the persuasion option doesn't show up or so I've heard).

[Sabariel]

Sarah1281 wrote...

Sabariel wrote...

Sarah1281 wrote...

Gemaphrodite wrote...

Dunno, I haven't got that far yet. I'm now on my second playthrough as a human noble. *fingers crossed* I will be so mad if he doesn't make me Queen this time...

You want to be Queen you have to show no hesitation about killing Loghain and announce that you will rule with Alistair.

And you have to "harden" him too. He won't marry you, even if you're a human Noble, if you don't harden him.

What? I married him as a HNF my first playthrough and didn't even know hardening him was possible. He won't preserve your relationship if you don't become Queen if he's not hardened but all you need to marry him as a HNF who didn't initially offer to spare Loghain is him in love or decent persuasion (if he's in love the persuasion option doesn't show up or so I've heard).

Odd. I've never been able to get him to marry a human noble without hardening him first.

[ejoslin]

Sabariel wrote...

Sarah1281 wrote...

Gemaphrodite wrote...

Dunno, I haven't got that far yet. I'm now on my second playthrough as a human noble. *fingers crossed* I will be so mad if he doesn't make me Queen this time...

You want to be Queen you have to show no hesitation about killing Loghain and announce that you will rule with Alistair.

And you have to "harden" him too. He won't marry you, even if you're a human Noble, if you don't harden him.

Untrue.  If Alistair is in love, hardened or not, he will automatically agree to the marriage.  If it's a political marriage, it's a harder persuade check and slightly higher approval needed if he's not hardened (a hardened Alistair will marry a hostile warden, unhardened the warden needs to be at least neutral).

Edit: Zevran has the nicer proposal.  Oh yeh, that's right  He's the only one who says anything that CAN be viewed as a proposal!

/ducking and running away.

Modifié par ejoslin, 20 juillet 2010 - 11:46 .

[Sabariel]

ejoslin wrote...

Sabariel wrote...

Sarah1281 wrote...

Gemaphrodite wrote...

Dunno, I haven't got that far yet. I'm now on my second playthrough as a human noble. *fingers crossed* I will be so mad if he doesn't make me Queen this time...

You want to be Queen you have to show no hesitation about killing Loghain and announce that you will rule with Alistair.

And you have to "harden" him too. He won't marry you, even if you're a human Noble, if you don't harden him.

Untrue.  If Alistair is in love, hardened or not, he will automatically agree to the marriage.  If it's a political marriage, it's a harder persuade check and slightly higher approval needed if he's not hardened (a hardened Alistair will marry a hostile warden, unhardened the warden needs to be at least neutral).

Edit: Zevran has the nicer proposal.  Oh yeh, that's right  He's the only one who says anything that CAN be viewed as a proposal!

/ducking and running away.

As I said, I've never gotten him to marry a HNF without being hardened first. Even if he was in 100% in love.

[ejoslin]

Sabariel wrote...

ejoslin wrote...

Sabariel wrote...

Sarah1281 wrote...

Gemaphrodite wrote...

Dunno, I haven't got that far yet. I'm now on my second playthrough as a human noble. *fingers crossed* I will be so mad if he doesn't make me Queen this time...

You want to be Queen you have to show no hesitation about killing Loghain and announce that you will rule with Alistair.

And you have to "harden" him too. He won't marry you, even if you're a human Noble, if you don't harden him.

Untrue.  If Alistair is in love, hardened or not, he will automatically agree to the marriage.  If it's a political marriage, it's a harder persuade check and slightly higher approval needed if he's not hardened (a hardened Alistair will marry a hostile warden, unhardened the warden needs to be at least neutral).

Edit: Zevran has the nicer proposal.  Oh yeh, that's right  He's the only one who says anything that CAN be viewed as a proposal!

/ducking and running away.

As I said, I've never gotten him to marry a HNF without being hardened first. Even if he was in 100% in love.

Then you're not picking, "Alistair will rule and I'll rule beside him."  If I can get him to marry my warden at -25 neutral unhardened (which I can), then the only explanation is your'e not picking the correct dialog.  

Edit: Besides, I know for a fact that it's an automatic pass of the persuade check in this circumstance.  I have no clue why it doesn't work for you if your'e picking the correct dialog.

Modifié par ejoslin, 20 juillet 2010 - 11:52 .

[Sarah1281]

Sabariel wrote...

ejoslin wrote...

Sabariel wrote...

Sarah1281 wrote...

Gemaphrodite wrote...

Dunno, I haven't got that far yet. I'm now on my second playthrough as a human noble. *fingers crossed* I will be so mad if he doesn't make me Queen this time...

You want to be Queen you have to show no hesitation about killing Loghain and announce that you will rule with Alistair.

And you have to "harden" him too. He won't marry you, even if you're a human Noble, if you don't harden him.

Untrue.  If Alistair is in love, hardened or not, he will automatically agree to the marriage.  If it's a political marriage, it's a harder persuade check and slightly higher approval needed if he's not hardened (a hardened Alistair will marry a hostile warden, unhardened the warden needs to be at least neutral).

Edit: Zevran has the nicer proposal.  Oh yeh, that's right  He's the only one who says anything that CAN be viewed as a proposal!

/ducking and running away.

As I said, I've never gotten him to marry a HNF without being hardened first. Even if he was in 100% in love.

Did you pick the option 'Alistair will rule and I will beside him'? This can only be decided at the Landsmeet, mind you, and anything afterwards is deciding if you're breaking up or staying on as mistress.

[Sabariel]

ejoslin wrote...

Sabariel wrote...

ejoslin wrote...

Sabariel wrote...

Sarah1281 wrote...

Gemaphrodite wrote...

Dunno, I haven't got that far yet. I'm now on my second playthrough as a human noble. *fingers crossed* I will be so mad if he doesn't make me Queen this time...

You want to be Queen you have to show no hesitation about killing Loghain and announce that you will rule with Alistair.

And you have to "harden" him too. He won't marry you, even if you're a human Noble, if you don't harden him.

Untrue.  If Alistair is in love, hardened or not, he will automatically agree to the marriage.  If it's a political marriage, it's a harder persuade check and slightly higher approval needed if he's not hardened (a hardened Alistair will marry a hostile warden, unhardened the warden needs to be at least neutral).

Edit: Zevran has the nicer proposal.  Oh yeh, that's right  He's the only one who says anything that CAN be viewed as a proposal!

/ducking and running away.

As I said, I've never gotten him to marry a HNF without being hardened first. Even if he was in 100% in love.

Then you're not picking, "Alistair will rule and I'll rule beside him."  If I can get him to marry my warden at -25 neutral unhardened (which I can), then the only explanation is your'e not picking the correct dialog.

But I did pick that option every single time and every single time he basically told me that I was unfit to produce his heir and kicked me to the curb. He'd only marry my HNF if he was hardened.

Sarah1281 wrote...
Did you pick the option 'Alistair will rule
and I will beside him'? This can only be decided at the Landsmeet, mind
you, and anything afterwards is deciding if you're breaking up or
staying on as mistress.

Yup. Every time and every time he told me to eff off. I had to harden him and pick that dialogue option before he would marry my HNF.

Modifié par Sabariel, 20 juillet 2010 - 11:56 .

[mousestalker]

Sounds like your game is borked

Modifié par mousestalker, 20 juillet 2010 - 11:56 .

[Sabariel]

mousestalker wrote...

Sounds like your game is borked

Well... bugger. Oh well. At least he'll marry my Warden if I harden him. Picky bastard. lol

[Sarah1281]

Hardened Alistair's a better King anyway.

[ejoslin]

Sabariel wrote...

ejoslin wrote...

Sabariel wrote...

ejoslin wrote...

Sabariel wrote...

Sarah1281 wrote...

Gemaphrodite wrote...

Dunno, I haven't got that far yet. I'm now on my second playthrough as a human noble. *fingers crossed* I will be so mad if he doesn't make me Queen this time...

You want to be Queen you have to show no hesitation about killing Loghain and announce that you will rule with Alistair.

And you have to "harden" him too. He won't marry you, even if you're a human Noble, if you don't harden him.

Untrue.  If Alistair is in love, hardened or not, he will automatically agree to the marriage.  If it's a political marriage, it's a harder persuade check and slightly higher approval needed if he's not hardened (a hardened Alistair will marry a hostile warden, unhardened the warden needs to be at least neutral).

Edit: Zevran has the nicer proposal.  Oh yeh, that's right  He's the only one who says anything that CAN be viewed as a proposal!

/ducking and running away.

As I said, I've never gotten him to marry a HNF without being hardened first. Even if he was in 100% in love.

Then you're not picking, "Alistair will rule and I'll rule beside him."  If I can get him to marry my warden at -25 neutral unhardened (which I can), then the only explanation is your'e not picking the correct dialog.

But I did pick that option every single time and every single time he basically told me that I was unfit to produce his heir and kicked me to the curb. He'd only marry my HNF if he was hardened.

Sarah1281 wrote...
Did you pick the option 'Alistair will rule
and I will beside him'? This can only be decided at the Landsmeet, mind
you, and anything afterwards is deciding if you're breaking up or
staying on as mistress.

Yup. Every time and every time he told me to eff off. I had to harden him and pick that dialogue option before he would marry my HNF.

Again, he will marry a neutral warden unhardened with a hard persuade check.  I have no clue what is going wrong with your games.  But according to the code, if he's in love, it's an automatic pass for a human noble female.  

You don't get the talk about "not being able to have kids" unless you just pick, "Alistair will be king." and not "Alistair will be king and I will rule beside him."  

Besides, if he DOES reject you at the landsmeet, a HNF gets very different responses than the other races.  

Edit: Now, he has to be in LOVE, not at Adore, for the automatic persuade pass.  Otherwise, you can fail if your persuade isn't high enough, but you still have different dialogs.

Anyway, if he's not in love, the only real difference is how high your persuade skill is.  Oh, and if he's hostile, you have to have him hardened, though it would be REALLY difficult to have a hardened, hostile Alistair.

Modifié par ejoslin, 21 juillet 2010 - 12:07 .