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tgnicholson

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Hi all!  I saw a few posts on the performance topic(s) prior to the 1.04 patch and none of them helped me.  Basically I played through Origins and Awakening on High settings, no problem.  I later purchased the Darkspawn DLC and the performance was horrible from the first second I tried to play.  I can only describe it as choppy/lag/slow.  I push a button and seconds later it registers and does something.  It was excruciating!  I purchased through Steam so am kept up to date on patches.  Once I received patch 1.04 I had to lower my video settings to Low to get the game to even run it was so bad and even then it's somewhat slow but I'm not playing the game on Low it's so ugly.  I tried starting a new game of Origins (to rule out the dlc) and that was the same, terrible performance.  Here are my system specs:

Processor Intel Duo 2.4Ghz
Memory 4Gigs
Display Nvidea Geforce 7950 GT
Windows XP
DirectX updated to the latest

Here's what I won't do: upgrade windows or buy a new video card.  The above is all supported by Bioware and was more than enough to play through Origins and Awakening on High settings the first time around.  I've also tried defrag.  What gives with the performance, what changed?  It's not a memory leak I don't think because it's *immediate*.  It's not a degradation after 15 minutes like some people are reporting it's right off the bat.  I have been working with EA support for almost a month on this to no avail.  If anybody has any answers I'd love to hear them, thanks!

Modifié par tgnicholson, 21 juillet 2010 - 02:14 .


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cody55419

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Same thing happened to me. I played around with ea's support for quite a while doing lots of silly things and finally gave up.

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jess879malagant

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I still experience periodic crashes when I play Dragon's Age.

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SirQuester

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I also have been stopped from playing DA:O due to extreme lag/slowdown. I played for 70 hours or so up til Denerim, about half way through the city the slowdown hit (on patch 1.03) - patch 1.04 did not help.



I changed nothing at all in my settings or mods yet the slowdown persists. I've tried one core, verifying files, turning off mods, lowering settings/resolution to no avail.


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SirQuester wrote...

I also have been stopped from playing DA:O due to extreme lag/slowdown. I played for 70 hours or so up til Denerim, about half way through the city the slowdown hit (on patch 1.03) - patch 1.04 did not help.

I changed nothing at all in my settings or mods yet the slowdown persists. I've tried one core, verifying files, turning off mods, lowering settings/resolution to no avail.


Just a note, the only thing one core did for me was to remove CTD, not the slowdown.

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Nathan Willis

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Hello all, for those affected by performance issues - are your video card and system (motherboard drivers, windows patches) software up to date? If you haven't listed it, what kind of video card do you have?



Lastly, do you experience a slowdown in other similarly graphics and processor intense videogames?

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SirQuester

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My video card (Radeon 4870 HD) driver is updated as are motherboard, Windows, sound and directX. I shall try a previous save.



I experience no slowdowns while playing other equally intense games.

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tgnicholson - did you play through Awakenings/Origins with 1.04 installed? I'm trying to figure out

whether it affects the whole game, or just DSC.

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EverlastingFantasy

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Im having random slow downs after like 10 minutes of playing. I will get these random spikes of lag where everyone is running slow, and when I open up something like inventory it takes like 10 seconds. I don`t have any applications running that would be causing it. But it acts like something happened all of a sudden for about 2 minutes of everything slowing up. Then for about another 2 minutes the game works perfectly no lag at all and on all high settings. Ive spent hundreds of dollars upgrading computer and there is no change.. i dont get WTF is wrong. :( I want to be able to play this game so badly. Ive never had any problems before in intense games even before I upgraded everything where it really wasnt needed. Sorry for bad grammar.

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I've never had any issues before but the first time I tried playing an old save after installing 1.04 I got constant crashes like I never have before. When I get home I will try updating my video drivers and my window patches, hopefully that is all that needs done I suppose.

Modifié par Sallul, 26 juillet 2010 - 04:38 .


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SirQuester

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So a previous save works - no slowdown but now I have multiple crashes...

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@Nathan Willis: I have a gtx275 a intel i5 and 6gb ram, and i still have memory leaks, my windows 7 is fresh, and all the programs are up to date.I don't run any background applications when i play the game.So, i hope that BioWare will work exclusively for a patch to really optimize the game.

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Dont know how helpful i can be but there is no performance issues for me running with ATI 5770HD (10.6 drivers), 2gb ram, 1.83Ghz intel core duo processor, realtek in built def audio, windows 7 32bit.

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@Strategy Master: Can you tell me what fps do you get with that video card? I have searched on the internet and i saw peoples having 120 fps in the game.Put very high settings in the game and 2xAA and please monitor the fps and tell me. Without vertical sync.

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I have random lag issues in places-- DSC was pretty bad, in the opening areas, but later was fine. I have similar problems as described in the original post when you first reach Denerim in the endgame. It clears up in places, but slows down when you make your way to the palace gates. I've noticed there's sometimes lag in outdoor areas in Denerim (during random encounters mostly) and during outdoor daylight ambushes. Saving the game clears it up for me most of the time.  I don't have many crashes since I updated my .NET framework, and they tend to be in weird random places, like walking around in the Deep Roads with no monsters nearby, or in the middle of the Sloth Demon battle, with no powers or spells being activated.

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Windows 7 32 bit, all current patches, including .NET framework 4
Microsoft Security Essentials + Windows firewall
AMD Athlon II X4 630 (2.8 Ghz)
4.0 GB DDR2 800
9800GT running drivers installed standard with Windows 7-- I haven't upgraded (8.15.11.8593)
Current RealTek drivers

Modifié par lizzbee, 01 août 2010 - 11:36 .


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I'm having similar issues. I played and completed Dragon Age on highest settings with not the slightest bit of lag/stuttering. Yet I recently installed Darkspawn Chronicles, Awakening and the 1.4 patch. Funnily enough the game seems to run fine, but occasionaly (often) the character won't respond to commands for around 10 seconds. It is infuriating. The camera can still be rotated etc during this time. At first I thought this some kind of mouse problem, but it is evidently more in line with the other users problems.



Spec:

WinVista 32bit

2.4ghz Q6600, Quad core

4gb Ram

2xNvidia 8800GT with latest drivers

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Updating to say, made my way through the Deep Roads last night (ugh, ugh, ugh), and encountered at least three or four crashes to desktop, and only one was associated with running Mana Clash in a confined area. Most involved just random combat, or pauses like second wave of deepstalkers in the breeding grounds. I have to say, that's the crashiest part of the game (not to mention the longest and most annoying).

Modifié par lizzbee, 03 août 2010 - 01:51 .


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I stopped playing my mage for that very reason, as well as stopping use of cleanse area, and holy smite on my templar. It is not just those spells though, it seems that just about any aoe type of spell will give a 50% shot of crashing the game.

I did notice though, if you go into the dungeon crawler view (over head) it seems to lessen your chances of crashing for whatever reason that may be. I figured this out when fighting gaxkang. If I used a ground level view, it would crash every time he went to cast his first aoe, but as soon as I switched to the over head view it stopped.

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More updates: once I got to Denerim, the main Blight quest as "Landsmeet," the game's been crashy, buggy and awful. Had a crash right after I first entered the Alienage and was just standing there. I've had glitchy audio where it seems dialog files don't play completely, and conversations end with a kind of a buzz. I've had several Mana Clash crashes, which haven't occurred at all earlier in the game, or at all in Awakening. The early parts of the game are relatively crash-free, but the later parts... I really don't understand what's going on here ;-)

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Both the Origins campaign and Awakening slow down significantly for me over time. Load times when I first start the game are less than 8 seconds, damn near instant. But after playing for an hour they slow down a bit, and if I play over 2 hours load screens start taking around 4-5 minutes. My framerate also gets bad everywhere, even on the main menu screen. But if I close the game completely and load back up in the same area where I had poor performance, everything runs fine 60 fps, never dips. No other game I play does this and I have a lot of games, including ME2.



I'm using newest drivers for everything.



Intel i5 750

8GB DDR3

Asus P7P55D motherboard

onboard VIA VT1828S audio

Radeon 5870

Win 7 64



I'm playing at 1920x1200 with 2x AA and 16x AF set in drivers.

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spanko2 wrote...
onboard VIA VT1828S audio

lizzbee wrote...
Current RealTek drivers

You both have a really fine computer, but the onboard audio has me worried. Of course the slowdown occuring over time is clearly pointing out your computer can run the game well, but Dragon has (had) some issues with its audio subsystem. Drivers for onboard audio are often not of the highest quality and this could cause some issues with Dragon Age possibly (e.g. keeping resources open and thus slowing the game down). If you do not mind you could try playing with the audio disabled through the launchers configurator and see if the problem persists, alternatively you could try getting or borrowing an add-in sound card like a Creative X-Fi and see if that makes any changes. If nothing else, the support for audio effects (EAX) might be nice to have on a computer that already has everything else.

Modifié par basdoorn, 05 août 2010 - 12:03 .


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basdoorn wrote...

spanko2 wrote...
onboard VIA VT1828S audio

lizzbee wrote...
Current RealTek drivers

You both have a really fine computer, but the onboard audio has me worried. Of course the slowdown occuring over time is clearly pointing out your computer can run the game well, but Dragon has (had) some issues with its audio subsystem. Drivers for onboard audio are often not of the highest quality and this could cause some issues with Dragon Age possibly (e.g. keeping resources open and thus slowing the game down). If you do not mind you could try playing with the audio disabled through the launchers configurator and see if the problem persists, alternatively you could try getting or borrowing an add-in sound card like a Creative X-Fi and see if that makes any changes. If nothing else, the support for audio effects (EAX) might be nice to have on a computer that already has everything else.


Doesn't that kill all sound?  I really hate the idea of running a silent game, just to stop crashing and having slowdowns.  Patch 1.04 has definitely made things worse on the audio front, though.  I'm getting glitchiness as if files aren't playing completely (sort of like in the old cassette player days when you'd hit "stop" to end a recording), and in a couple of areas I've had garbled dialog.  None of this was a problem with 1.03.

Edit:  Do you have any advice on reliable and moderate to inexpensive models of add-in sound cards?  I'm familiar with the basics of most aspects of PC hardware except audio.  I listen to everything through headphones, so anything beyond onboard audio has always seemed like overkill to me.

Modifié par lizzbee, 05 août 2010 - 06:15 .


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lizzbee wrote...

You both have a really fine computer, but the onboard audio has me worried. Of course the slowdown occuring over time is clearly pointing out your computer can run the game well, but Dragon has (had) some issues with its audio subsystem. Drivers for onboard audio are often not of the highest quality and this could cause some issues with Dragon Age possibly (e.g. keeping resources open and thus slowing the game down). If you do not mind you could try playing with the audio disabled through the launchers configurator and see if the problem persists, alternatively you could try getting or borrowing an add-in sound card like a Creative X-Fi and see if that makes any changes. If nothing else, the support for audio effects (EAX) might be nice to have on a computer that already has everything else.


I have tried playing without sound and it makes no difference. I knew before trying it that it wouldn't affect anything, because sound has absolutely nothing to do with loading times which is the main problem. The framerate drop after playing for about 2 hours isn't that bad. It is definitely noticeable, but not a huge deal. 5 minute, and sometimes longer, loading screens is irritating as hell.

Its also irritating that after exiting the game and startinig it back up, it takes the game about 2-3 minutes until I can load any of my save games because of DLC. At this point I wish I pirated DLC cause then I wouldn't have to sit at the main menu screen for 2-3 minutes every time I start up the game.

edit: Also I want to mention that I don't have crashing issues. I haven't crashed a single time since 1.04 was released and even with 1.03 I crashed very rarely. In over 300 hours  of playing DA I think I have less than 5 crashes total. I know there were issues with sound crashes but that isn't my problem. My problem is detioriating performance over time that leads to absurd load times and a low framerate.

Modifié par spanko2, 05 août 2010 - 07:33 .


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spanko2 wrote...

I have tried playing without sound and it makes no difference. I knew before trying it that it wouldn't affect anything, because sound has absolutely nothing to do with loading times which is the main problem. The framerate drop after playing for about 2 hours isn't that bad. It is definitely noticeable, but not a huge deal. 5 minute, and sometimes longer, loading screens is irritating as hell.

Its also irritating that after exiting the game and startinig it back up, it takes the game about 2-3 minutes until I can load any of my save games because of DLC. At this point I wish I pirated DLC cause then I wouldn't have to sit at the main menu screen for 2-3 minutes every time I start up the game.

edit: Also I want to mention that I don't have crashing issues. I haven't crashed a single time since 1.04 was released and even with 1.03 I crashed very rarely. In over 300 hours  of playing DA I think I have less than 5 crashes total. I know there were issues with sound crashes but that isn't my problem. My problem is detioriating performance over time that leads to absurd load times and a low framerate.


I have the slowdown/lag problem also, but saving the game clears up a lot of it for me.  Loading screens haven't been a problem for me since I updated the .NET framework, but the lag definitely happens, as does the endless "...Loading..." message on the maps whenever there's an ambush pending after I've been playing for an hour or two.  I've never had DLC issues, but I tend to stay offline unless I'm updating a batch of achievements.

Modifié par lizzbee, 05 août 2010 - 07:42 .


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lizzbee wrote...

I have the slowdown/lag problem also, but saving the game clears up a lot of it for me.  Loading screens haven't been a problem for me since I updated the .NET framework, but the lag definitely happens, as does the endless "...Loading..." message on the maps whenever there's an ambush pending after I've been playing for an hour or two.  I've never had DLC issues, but I tend to stay offline unless I'm updating a batch of achievements.


How do you play with DLC offline? When I try to load a saved game before it updates my DLC as authorized, it just gives me a list of DLC stuff that it says I need to have to load the game, and there's no force load option.

Also what .net framework update are you referring to?