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[TonyTitan]

If a biotic upgrade next to a research table causes you to question its use......think about apply a heavy skin weave that you gain off the research table next to the Altar of Indoctrination on the abandoned reaper vessel....I'd be more nervous applying any type of modification on myself from that ship.

[BurningArmor]

You cannot change the past.  You might re-write it in the history books maybe, but not change it with the current technology. 

You can affect the present and the future.

For example:  Germany used rockets (V1 and the V2) in it's war against Britain.  Yet, after the war this same tech was used to reach into space and eventually walk on the moon.  Mankind continues to expand into space even now using rockets.

One of the unfortunate truthes of this life is the fact that many of the greatest discoveries were in response to war, or was learned through some other great cost in lives.  My point here is that I do not condone many of the acts that got us our current technology, but I also feel that not using what we have learned is also wrong when we can use it to make things better.

Modifié par BurningArmor, 22 juillet 2010 - 11:35 .

[didymos1120]

Captain Crash wrote...
 Yes you may do something good with the research but its come at a terrible price. One which is hard to justify in my book

You don't have to justify it.  That price was paid years ago.  Simply putting the results to genuinely good use (to help stop the Collectors) doesn't require you to be any less disgusted with the means by which they were obtained, and it doesn't automatically morally elevate those means.

BTW, if anyone truly buys into the "results are tainted" logic, then you should refuse to use Jack for anything. Ever.  She's the real result of all those experiments, the one they were actually aiming for, not that biotic damage upgrade.

[didymos1120]

Dave of Canada wrote...
Most medical science these days has been accomplished only due to brutal experiments in WW2 from all around the world. .

Most?  Not even remotely close.  Sorry, but that's just a beyond-ridiculous exaggeration.  What you don't think anyone's done original, unrelated medical research since WW2?  Just as an example: explain to me exactly how the discovery of the structure of DNA, which has and will continue to revolutionize medical science for decades or centuries to come, was in any way dependent on N@zi or IJA medical experiments?  Also: antibiotics. Medically a huge deal. Their proliferation and mass production is easily one of the top 5 major medical advances of the 20th Century.  Not discovered in WW2 (not even discovered in the 20th Century, either), though they were quite useful during WW2.

The fact is, a lot of that research was just pointless, fruitless, and cruel.  Some has been useful, but not all that much.

Modifié par didymos1120, 22 juillet 2010 - 11:46 .

[Dave of Canada]

didymos1120 wrote...

Dave of Canada wrote...
Most medical science these days has been accomplished only due to brutal experiments in WW2 from all around the world. .

Most?  Not even remotely close.  Sorry, but that's just a beyond-ridiculous exaggeration.  What you don't think anyone's done original, unrelated medical research since WW2?  Just as an example: explain to me exactly how the discovery of the structure of DNA, which has and will continue to revolutionize medical science for decades or centuries to come, was in any way dependent on N@zi or IJA medical experiments?  Also: antibiotics. Medically a huge deal. Their proliferation and mass production is easily one of the top 5 major medical advances of the 20th Century.  Not discovered in WW2 (not even discovered in the 20th Century, either), though they were quite useful during WW2.

The fact is, a lot of that research was just pointless, fruitless, and cruel.  Some has been useful, but not all that much.

Wasn't meaning only the **** experiments, I was vague by saying WW2 in general. The Russians, the Japanese and such each had their little corner of hell with extremely brutal experiments (such as putting dog fetuses into a woman to see if it would grow) that lead to research that we still use today.

I won't lie though, I exaggerated heavily.

[chapa3]

Well Tojo-military experimentation was mostly bio warfare and chemical warfare, not much intended to cure or even advance medicine. Not much creating even, more like reviving old pathogens like small pox and bubonic plague, seeing how they can spread.

[Captain Crash]

TonyTitan wrote...

If a biotic upgrade next to a research table causes you to question its use......think about apply a heavy skin weave that you gain off the research table next to the Altar of Indoctrination on the abandoned reaper vessel....I'd be more nervous applying any type of modification on myself from that ship.

Good point hadnt even thought about that.   That sort of goes hand in hand with those who dont trust the use of technology on the Collector base in the end game.  The morality and ethics of that are probably more intense then that on Pragia.

[btthegeek]

Also, what do you do when presented with that exact question on Mordin's loyalty mission? Save data that might cure the genophage, or destroy it?

[Kroesis-]

Ha! I just this minute finished watching a Voyager episode which deals in this exact moral dilemma (Season 5 - Nothing Human).
Morally, you may not agree with how the data was collected but using it validates how the research data was gained, if only in your own mind. Basically it's really down to you you can use it so that the experiments and lives weren't wasted... Or Janeway will make the decision for you and make you use whether you want to or not it and take on the moral implications herself while validating the way the research was achieved.

Modifié par Kroesis-, 23 juillet 2010 - 11:04 .