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[MindYerBeak]

wizardryforever wrote...

MindYerBeak wrote...

Planescape Torment is slow to start off, but if you persevere you'll be well rewarded.
You can purchase PST from http://www.amazon.co...D/dp/B002TOKQIG

For only £11 it's a bargain and God will love you forever.

Huh, that's odd.  It's still for sale in Europe but not in the states.  I looked for it all over the place a while back and couldn't find it anywhere, except for one eBay entry where it was going for something like $115.  Way more than I'm willing to spend on a game, especially one that's more than ten years old.

I wonder why it still sells across the Atlantic?  Just that good, I guess?

Anyway, I think NWN2 covers D&D 3.5 pretty well, and is the only cRPG that I know of to do so adequately.  That said, it is definitely fun, even if you have no experience with D&D.

You can get Planescape Torment from Amazon.com:

http://www.amazon.co...1.184_393&fsc=4

New is from $69.90 and Used is from $27.98. The original Planescape is now regarded as a collectors item hence the high price.

Have a butchers at the Customer Reviews below the game. If that doesn't persuade you to buy it then nothing will.

"First, you have to ask yourself: why is a game from a few years ago STILL getting 5-star reviews -- a bunch in just the past couple months?!? And second: how could a 2-D game (like the Baldur's Gate 1 and 2 series) possibly hold up against 3-D games like Neverwinter Nights? Well, it's because of gameplay. It's remarkable...


If anything is a disappointment, it is that the opening cemetary is pretty dark -- work through it and get out as soon as you can. If you can find a save-game online that at least gets you down onto the first floor of the cemetary, maybe do that. Once you are in town, the game just blossoms into something incredible. My only sadness is that the game did well when it was launched, but not stellar. I'd like to thank their marketing department for the hideous box cover for probably killing quite a few sales. Because of this, I've lost hope for there ever being a sequel or even a game with a similar style. I'm very sad to see that, even after a few years, this game still has no rival. "

No elves, no dwarfs, no goblins, no orcs, not even a sword in this game, only a few battles, but with interactive text that will hold you spellbound. In what other game can you find a pregnant alleyway that you have to help give birth?

I'll see you in the mortuary.

"What can change the nature of a man?"

Modifié par MindYerBeak, 23 juillet 2010 - 02:05 .

[I_Raps]

PanosSmirnakos wrote...

 NWN 2 has a brilliant expansion called "mask of the betrayer" which IMO has the most original and well written dark fantasy story I’ve ever played, so for that alone I can easily recommend NWN 2 to any RPGamer.

When you get MOTB, you'll find that it has an unusual feature that makes it pretty tough for someone without much experience with these games.  If you need a lifeline, don't hesitate to come here.  Someone will help you.

[Hector_Of_Troy]

@ ShadowJ20

I heard that BG1 can get very tedious and that first 30min of BG2 explain whole BG1 anyways. Is that correct?



As for NWN1, controlling just one character might get a bit borring. I mean the games mechanic are pretty much the same, the only diff is that in NWN2 you get to control multple characters and graphics are bit better (I might be wrong about game mechanics since I haven't played it).

[Lyssistr]

Hector_Of_Troy wrote...

@ ShadowJ20
I heard that BG1 can get very tedious and that first 30min of BG2 explain whole BG1 anyways. Is that correct?

As for NWN1, controlling just one character might get a bit borring. I mean the games mechanic are pretty much the same, the only diff is that in NWN2 you get to control multple characters and graphics are bit better (I might be wrong about game mechanics since I haven't played it).

I wouldn't say first 30mins of BG II explain whole BG I, you just get called by the main vilain something-child and this "something" is your origins, and there is also a short clip which is like a crash course on BG I, but it's more like a very quick summary.

BG I imo has much less "content" than BG II, BG I is more of a turn based hack & slash tbh. There exist romance mod packs by fans and all that but I haven't really tried them. It's not only that tho, BG I's story is like beat the bad guys+ a storyline twist. BG II's story is much more involving & interesting. Also, in BG II you go to very different areas, from catacombs to underwater cities, and fight a bigger variety of mobs & bosses (trolls, vampires, drow, illusion masters, beholders, clay golems and many more). This makes combat mechanics more interesting. In BG I, areas are not as distinct and the fight mechanics variety is not there, you can go tank & spank all the way through tbh, with only a couple of exceptions.

Also, BG II has sharper graphics, items worth crafting -by crafters, not craft them yourself-(BG I's ahnkeg armor, or whatever it was called, was hardly worth it) and more impressive loot. I didn't say "wow" with any loot in BG I.

I can't tell you if you'll be bored with BG I, some people actually prefer BG I to BG II, but imo BG II >> BG I. Not that BG I is not a very good game, it's just that BG II is better. Imo, best way to play BG I is to wait for it's remake as an NWN2 mod.

can't comment on NWN1 vs NWN2, I haven't played much of NWN,1 but NWN2 is indeed party based and graphics imo are much much better.

As for Planescape, which many people mentioned, it's indeed a game you either love or hate. Imo too much text & combat not so good, never finished it.

Modifié par Lyssistr, 23 juillet 2010 - 07:26 .

[dethia]

In case no one has advised you yet,



Get "Planescape Torment". If you're not sucked in after the first minute of game play, you'll at least know the game was cheap as lunch.

[MasterChanger]

ShadowJ20 wrote...

Well you get to hire a henchman in NWN1.  So you do control someone else.  In the Hordes of Underdark expansion you get to hire 2 henchman.

Henchmen are very, very different from party members. I recall being really frustrated with the level of control I had for henchmen in NWN1. Their tactics were largely shoddy and I had to continually shout combat commands at them to get them to behave remotely how I wanted. But with all the new work that's been done by the community on NWN1, maybe this has been updated.

The reason I care so much about companion control is because I like to micromanage my party very closely, choosing exactly when they use which abilities, use which weapons, or drink which potions. Hordes of the Underdark (which was a great expansion, by the way) finally at least allowed you to control their inventory (or perhaps SoU did as well, I can't recall).

[Domi_Sotto]

BG1 with a couple of mods gives you far more content than unmodded BG2 in the same playing environment, ruleset and resolution as BG2. Two games played one after another makes for one very, very long and satisfying experience of a developping story line and adventure.

As for PST, I don't think it's either love or hate it. It's just pretty boring to me, and that greatness everyone talks about never seeped in. BG is miles better in my view.

Modifié par Domi_Sotto, 23 juillet 2010 - 05:35 .

[dunniteowl]

I'm going to have to vote old school, myself. I have yet to find a game storyline that was anywhere near as fun (for me) as Pool of Radiance, Curse of the Azure Bonds, Secret of the Silver Blades and finishing off with Pools of Darkness. Second runner up for me was Champions of Krynn, Death Knights of Krynn and Dark Queen of Krynn.

Nothing else has given me that much variety, depth, challenge and fun since. Oh I liked Baldur's Gate: SoA (the only one I ever got to play) and it was pretty cool, but gameplay wise, still not there for me. NWN and NWN2? Woo hoo, but it's not the game modules that came with it that make me happy -- it's the toolsets. Man oh, man, do I love and hate those things.

Misery Stone was a lot of fun. Pool of Radiance: Remastered was pretty cool too (but still didn't do it for me), Dark Waters was innovative and engrossing, but not fully my cuppa, if you catch my meaning.

So far, though, Legacy of White Plume Mountain? WOW! This one has me sitting up and taking notice. I've been playtesting it and honestly, this one should be a textbook example of what NWN2 is capable of doing. This one may knock the Pool of Radiance (SSI Gold Box) series off it's honored and dusty pedastal for me.

And until _Knightmare_ releases "Reversal of Fortune" you should really just be patient.  I have a feeling this one's going to blow just about everyone away.

And that's why I like NWN2. It just keeps growing. NWN does as well, but for me, I just like NWN2 a bit more.

dunniteowl

Modifié par dunniteowl, 23 juillet 2010 - 06:06 .

[Lyssistr]

dunniteowl wrote...

I'm going to have to vote old school, myself. I have yet to find a game storyline that was anywhere near as fun (for me) as Pool of Radiance, Curse of the Azure Bonds, Secret of the Silver Blades and finishing off with Pools of Darkness. Second runner up for me was Champions of Krynn, Death Knights of Krynn and Dark Queen of Krynn.

Nothing else has given me that much variety, depth, challenge and fun since. Oh I liked Baldur's Gate: SoA (the only one I ever got to play) and it was pretty cool, but gameplay wise, still not there for me. NWN and NWN2? Woo hoo, but it's not the game modules that came with it that make me happy -- it's the toolsets. Man oh, man, do I love and hate those things.

Misery Stone was a lot of fun. Pool of Radiance: Remastered was pretty cool too (but still didn't do it for me), Dark Waters was innovative and engrossing, but not fully my cuppa, if you catch my meaning.

So far, though, Legacy of White Plume Mountain? WOW! This one has me sitting up and taking notice. I've been playtesting it and honestly, this one should be a textbook example of what NWN2 is capable of doing. This one may knock the Pool of Radiance (SSI Gold Box) series off it's honored and dusty pedastal for me.

And until _Knightmare_ releases "Reversal of Fortune" you should really just be patient.  I have a feeling this one's going to blow just about everyone away.

And that's why I like NWN2. It just keeps growing. NWN does as well, but for me, I just like NWN2 a bit more.

dunniteowl

 The thing with older games, like some Gold Box games you mention - and BG series, is that I agree, when I played Baldur's Gate II or Pools (this with eye of the beholder are the only ssi games I had played), the experience was awesome, nothing has toped this. However, when I tried to replay them years later, I wasn't getting the same experience because of graphics, UI, older mechanics and lack of voiceover. Now, I get a better experience with newer games, the experience may not be like playing BG II back then, but it is better than playing BG II now.

 Of course I can only speak for myself, but I decided it's better to be left with the memory of awesomeness, than try to replay older games now and find flaws which are not really flaws but rather advances in the gaming industry which simply weren't there when I played the game.

Btw, what's Legacy of White Plume Mountain? is it a mod/a full game? where can I download if available for free or buy otherwise?

[I_Raps]

Hector_Of_Troy wrote...

As for NWN1, controlling just one character might get a bit borring.

Not really a problem if you don't let it be.  There's a wonderful, compact, trouble-free Hall Of Fame mod out there for NWN1 that let's you create and use as many henchmen as you want.  It's by OldMansBeard;  I don't remember the exact name - search nwvault for OHS and you'll find it.  I really can't recommend it enough.

Modifié par I_Raps, 23 juillet 2010 - 07:40 .

[kamalpoe]

Lyssistr wrote...

Btw, what's Legacy of White Plume Mountain? is it a mod/a full game? where can I download if available for free or buy otherwise?

Legacy of White Plume Mountain is a remake of some classic modules of the same name. Not quite released yet, by multiple NW hall of fame author Wyrin.
social.bioware.com/forum/1/topic/167/index/3152963

His Dark Evenger series
nwvault.ign.com/View.php
nwvault.ign.com/View.php

[MindYerBeak]

Another up and coming improvement to old games is the wonderful world of 3D. 3D will give older games a completely new lease of life. 3D technology is still in it's infancy as yet, but iZ3D has brought out a 22" 3D monitor which has rave reviews everywhere. NWN2 is on it's list of compatible games. For £330 it's not a bad investment if you're thinking of upgrading your monitor, and it doesn't require expensive nerd glasses and expensive 120Mhz monitors to make use of the 3D. In 10 years or so all video games and video films will be in 3D, it's the way forward and nothing can stop it. Imagine a Headcrab leaping out at you in the Aliens game. Your screams will make you sound, feel and look like a nerdy geek. All your family will laugh profoundly at you. Until they play it and get attacked by a headcrab. The future looks very bright on the gaming front. 50 years from now you'll be playing NWN2 on your very own holodeck.

[Belnor]

Some screenshots of the NWN2 module Legacy of White Plume Mountain: picasaweb.google.co.uk/dunc.young/WPM

Belnor

Modifié par Belnor, 24 juillet 2010 - 12:12 .

[AmstradHero]

Get NWN2 and Mask of the Betrayer. MotB is seriously one of the best RPGs I've played in a long time - yes, I enjoyed it that much. Plus if you get those <shameless plug mode> you can also play my NWN2 mod "Fate of a City" </shameless plug mode>. The OC for NWN2 is a little uninspired, but MotB is great, and there are plenty of decent-to-good/great user made modules out there. Some of the high ranked mods I didn't really rate or even enjoy, but there's personal preference involved. If you can't find at least some that you like, then you're very picky indeed!

[Lyssistr]

kamalpoe wrote...

Lyssistr wrote...

Btw, what's Legacy of White Plume Mountain? is it a mod/a full game? where can I download if available for free or buy otherwise?

Legacy of White Plume Mountain is a remake of some classic modules of the same name. Not quite released yet, by multiple NW hall of fame author Wyrin.
social.bioware.com/forum/1/topic/167/index/3152963

His Dark Evenger series
nwvault.ign.com/View.php
nwvault.ign.com/View.php

thanks allot mate

 iZ3D has brought out a 22" 3D monitor which has rave reviews everywhere. 

I just looked this one up, it's quite awesome, I'll wait for prices to drop and I'll buy one 

[I_Raps]

wizardryforever

wizardryforever - ?

wizardryforever hacks at 3 Werdnas and hits 3 times for 88 damage!  wizardryforever kills 1!

Modifié par I_Raps, 24 juillet 2010 - 01:05 .

[-Semper-]

Belnor wrote...

Some screenshots of the NWN2 module Legacy of White Plume Mountain: picasaweb.google.co.uk/dunc.young/WPM

Belnor

which ui does this module use? it looks so gorgeous! is it integrated within legacy of white plume and is it perhaps available as a single download?

Modifié par -Semper-, 24 juillet 2010 - 08:40 .

[MindYerBeak]

Lyssistr wrote...

kamalpoe wrote...

Lyssistr wrote...

Btw, what's Legacy of White Plume Mountain? is it a mod/a full game? where can I download if available for free or buy otherwise?

Legacy of White Plume Mountain is a remake of some classic modules of the same name. Not quite released yet, by multiple NW hall of fame author Wyrin.
social.bioware.com/forum/1/topic/167/index/3152963

His Dark Evenger series
nwvault.ign.com/View.php
nwvault.ign.com/View.php

thanks allot mate

 iZ3D has brought out a 22" 3D monitor which has rave reviews everywhere. 

I just looked this one up, it's quite awesome, I'll wait for prices to drop and I'll buy one 

The monitor runs at 60Hz but has 2 LCD screens. Your graphics card needs to do twice the work because it has to process images for 2 screens as opposed to 1, therefore you'd need a good graphics card to run it.

I'm in two minds whether to purchase the 22" now or wait until the 27" comes online. I understand it'll be running at 120Hz at a higher resolution and might cost around £500. The higher resolution will futureproof the monitor as far as new games are concerned, and overclocking the graphics card will also delay replacement. All games nowadays are being programmed with future 3D in mind. When the 27" comes online the 22" should drop in price considerably.

Modifié par MindYerBeak, 24 juillet 2010 - 02:01 .

[Lyssistr]

MindYerBeak wrote...

Lyssistr wrote...

kamalpoe wrote...

Lyssistr wrote...

Btw, what's Legacy of White Plume Mountain? is it a mod/a full game? where can I download if available for free or buy otherwise?

Legacy of White Plume Mountain is a remake of some classic modules of the same name. Not quite released yet, by multiple NW hall of fame author Wyrin.
social.bioware.com/forum/1/topic/167/index/3152963

His Dark Evenger series
nwvault.ign.com/View.php
nwvault.ign.com/View.php

thanks allot mate

 iZ3D has brought out a 22" 3D monitor which has rave reviews everywhere. 

I just looked this one up, it's quite awesome, I'll wait for prices to drop and I'll buy one 

The monitor runs at 60Hz but has 2 LCD screens. Your graphics card needs to do twice the work because it has to process images for 2 screens as opposed to 1, therefore you'd need a good graphics card to run it.

I'm in two minds whether to purchase the 22" now or wait until the 27" comes online. I understand it'll be running at 120Hz at a higher resolution and might cost around £500. The higher resolution will futureproof the monitor as far as new games are concerned, and overclocking the graphics card will also delay replacement. All games nowadays are being programmed with future 3D in mind. When the 27" comes online the 22" should drop in price considerably.

Can't wait for the price drop . 27'' will almost certainly a better experience but I'll go with budget solution, 22'' when prices drop. I'm only tiny worried how well they update drivers as new gfx cards come out, their webpage says 8800 is best for nvidia users and this is a little old.

[Lyssistr]

Belnor wrote...

Some screenshots of the NWN2 module Legacy of White Plume Mountain: picasaweb.google.co.uk/dunc.young/WPM

Belnor

It looks quite awesome

[-Semper-]

Chaos Wielder wrote...

-Semper- wrote...

Belnor wrote...

Some screenshots of the NWN2 module Legacy of White Plume Mountain: picasaweb.google.co.uk/dunc.young/WPM

Belnor

which ui does this module uses? it looks so gorgeous! is it integrated within legacy of white plume and is it perhaps available as a single download?

I don't think it uses a custom UI. It does have custom loadscreens, and it uses the SOZ(storm of zehir) conversation UIs--which is sort of rare.

Not to disparage or anything. I'm looking forward to this one quite a bit. 

i meant the speechbar in the top left corner. that has to be a custom ui - at least i have never seen it before in nwn2^^