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[Mister Mida]

As of this moment there are two lead writers responsible for this big and grand universe that is Mass Effect. A small introduction to both of them.

Drew Karpyshyn

• Mass Effect: Revelation (novel)
• Mass Effect (video game)
• Mass Effect: Ascension (novel)
• Mass Effect 2 (video game, co-lead writer)
• Mass Effect: Retribution (novel)

Mac Walters

• Mass Effect 2 (video game, co-lead writer)
• Mass Effect: Redemption (comic (story))
• Mass Effect: Incursion (comic)
• Mass Effect: Evolution (comic (story))
• Mass Effect: Inquisition (comic)
• Mass Effect: Genesis

(TBR = To Be Released)

NOTE: if someone can tell me who wrote Mass Effect: Galaxy, it will be greatly appreciated.

So my question to you is: whose vision of Mass Effect do you favour?
Also see the next poll: http://social.biowar...830/polls/8327/

I personally prefer Karpyshyn's vision. As the writer who is involved with Mass Effect from the start, he practically set the standard for the main series. I'm not saying Walters sucks, but adding a new writer in the middle of the trilogy can in my opinion make things unnecesarily more complicated and can move things away from with the series started with and made it this great.

But that's just my opinion. Who do you favour? Discuss and keep it civil.

And go.

Modifié par Mister Mida, 27 mars 2011 - 12:11 .

[Forst1999]

I liked the novels way better than the comic. The plot and the behaviour of the caracters just made more sense. So i pretent Karpyshyn, without saying i would dislike Walters' work or that i would think they can't work together.

[Shotokanguy]

How can they have different "visions"? They both work in the Mass Effect universe and follow the lore already established.

[kregano]

Karpyshyn is a better world builder, but his novel work has been getting steadily worse. I can't really judge Walters' work without knowing what parts of ME2 he was responsible for and who's idea it was for Liara's development between ME1 and ME2.

Shotokanguy wrote...

How can they have different
"visions"? They both work in the Mass Effect universe and follow the
lore already established.

They have different approaches to same subject matter.

Modifié par kregano, 21 juillet 2010 - 06:12 .

[Raizo]

Forst1999 wrote...

I liked the novels way better than the comic. The plot and the behaviour of the caracters just made more sense. So i pretent Karpyshyn, without saying i would dislike Walters' work or that i would think they can't work together.

I agree. Karpyshyn was kind of there since the begininng so in a way he created the ME Universe. I'm not really famillar with Walters work since I haven't really read any of the comics, I'm sure he's very good at what he does but since he only seems to have started working on/in the ME Universe with ME2 I guess I see his contributions as being secondary to groundwork that Karpyshyn has laid out.

[Commander Maklai]

I prefer the games, some of the things that the author of the books said didn't fit in with facts he'd already stated and some of the stuff he said was wrong.

[Delta_Echo]

 I've read the comics, and I was not impressed, they contradict both games in couple places and the overall story was underwhelming. It's basically about Liara looking for Sheperds body finding out the Shadow Broker has it and Cerberus contacting her to help them get it back before he can sell it to the collectors. At the time she doesn't know they  intend to resurrect him and she ought to know based on ME1 that Cerberus are monsters (ie  retcon from  hell starts here). She loses  a drell "friend" who's helping her, to the Shadow Broker but he wasn't exactly a trust worthy guy and their relationship didn't develop that much so it doesn't explain why she's so obsessed with finding him in ME2 that she brushes off Sheperd when he shows up back from the dead.  In short the story telling that I know belongs to Mac Walters isn't very good, but it's probably typical of comic book story telling. I prefer novels to comic books.  And I prefer ME1 to ME2.

Drew's novels are decent,  he's not David Weber but he does pay attention to details and continuity, that have already been established. I don't think the direction of the story for ME2 was up to writers, it feels like it was left to the Marketing Dept.

[Delta_Echo]

Commander Maklai wrote...

I prefer the games, some of the things that the author of the books said didn't fit in with facts he'd already stated and some of the stuff he said was wrong.

Examples please

[Lord Kane Corr]

Drew's work with the Mass Effect novels were pretty good, but he shines in The Darth Bane books. Those are really great pieces of writing.

[Delta_Echo]

I keep hearing that, but I'm not a Star Wars fan really. I used to ready fantasy but I've been more of Sci-Fi fan for the last decade or so. I might pick his Star Wars books just get some more insight into his writing and story telling.

[djarlaks10]

I may be stupid, but what is Mass Effect: Incursion? Never heard of it =(

[Fiery Phoenix]

djarlaks10 wrote...

I may be stupid, but what is Mass Effect: Incursion? Never heard of it =(

Here

Latest comic. Very short, too, but that's because it was written specifically to remove a certain plothole.

Modifié par FieryPhoenix7, 21 juillet 2010 - 10:08 .

[djarlaks10]

FieryPhoenix7 wrote...

djarlaks10 wrote...

I may be stupid, but what is Mass Effect: Incursion? Never heard of it =(

Here

Latest comic. Very short, too, but that's because it was written specifically to remove a certain plothole.

Thanks a lot.

[djarlaks10]

The art in Incursion is even worse than in Redemption. I didn't think that was possible.

[FuturePasTimeCE]

both are pure geniuses... along with casey hudson...

but I think i'm more in favor of Drew's POV in story (from a M E 1 perspective)...

but M E 2 was more entertaining though, with extra stuff (thus having Mac Walters as a co-writer) 

Modifié par FuturePasTimeCE, 21 juillet 2010 - 10:32 .

[Mister Mida]

Hmm, not as much responses as I hoped, but so far it seems that the people who do let their voice be heard prefer Karpyshyn over Walters.

[kraidy1117]

While I like Drew as a story writer, I don't like his characters. The only Drew character I like is Liara. I find Drew's characters are Marry sues, bland, boring or mustach twirling villians. While Walters is not good at a plot(ME2 anyone) he is good at making characters. Let's look at TIM. Walters made TIM in ME2 fantastic, better then in the book. Also Midna, Walters didn't write the script in the comics, he just wrote the outline which was good, it was Miller who wrote the script. I think you should maybe add that just to be safe.

Anyways both are good writers, they are good at two diffrent fields, Drew is good at stories and Walters is good at characters.

Modifié par kraidy1117, 25 juillet 2010 - 11:53 .

[kraidy1117]

Raizo wrote...

Forst1999 wrote...

I liked the novels way better than the comic. The plot and the behaviour of the caracters just made more sense. So i pretent Karpyshyn, without saying i would dislike Walters' work or that i would think they can't work together.

I agree. Karpyshyn was kind of there since the begininng so in a way he created the ME Universe. I'm not really famillar with Walters work since I haven't really read any of the comics, I'm sure he's very good at what he does but since he only seems to have started working on/in the ME Universe with ME2 I guess I see his contributions as being secondary to groundwork that Karpyshyn has laid out.

You do know Walters had a hand in making the Krogans, made Garrus and Wrex and created alot of the codex in ME and ME2 and was oneo ft he orignal writers in ME, right?

[Kolos2]

Drew, hes an professional / known writer, Mac is not, more experience shows;

Didnt like the comics story; as already said many times it contradicts the one in ME; and as for the game itself , ME 2 main story arch was inferior to that of ME
Not to mention the whole illogical mess with the council

Drew was transfered to ST:O since its an EA primary project, the need for quality writing; as far i know Mac isnt involved there  

Modifié par Kolos2, 25 juillet 2010 - 12:03 .

[Terror_K]

All I know is that I preferred ME1's more classic and semi-hard sci-fi leanings to ME2's more modern Hollywood ones.

[kraidy1117]

Kolos2 wrote...

Drew, hes an professional / known writer, Mac is not, more experience shows;

Didnt like the comics story; as already said many times it contradicts the one in ME; and as for the game itself , ME 2 main story arch was inferior to that of ME
Not to mention the whole illogical mess with the council

Drew was transfered to ST:O since its an EA primary project, the need for quality writing; as far i know Mac isnt involved there  

Walters was one of the writers in JE, he wrote Wrex, Garrus, some codex, had a hand in the Krogans, was one of the orginal ME writers and is a good writer, don't be a fanboy or give me that "Drew is a professional" bullsh*t.

Walters is not good at a plot just like how drew is not good with characters, Liara is the only good Drew character.

Modifié par kraidy1117, 25 juillet 2010 - 12:09 .

[Kolos2]

and other that the sub par comics, has he anything to show as an reference?

Seams like anyone with a bit of imagination can be called a writer nowdays; filling up the codex is all fine and all, but not exactly bestseller material

Modifié par Kolos2, 25 juillet 2010 - 12:15 .

[Mister Mida]

kraidy1117 wrote...

Also Mida, Walters didn't write the script in the comics, he just wrote the outline which was good, it was Miller who wrote the script. I think you should maybe add that just to be safe.
 

If I have to believe ME's wiki, John Jackson Miller wrote the script of Redemtion and Evolution while Walters wrote the story of all the comics. But you're right, I should have added that.

[kraidy1117]

Mister Mida wrote...

kraidy1117 wrote...

Also Mida, Walters didn't write the script in the comics, he just wrote the outline which was good, it was Miller who wrote the script. I think you should maybe add that just to be safe.
 

If I have to believe ME's wiki, John Jackson Miller wrote the script of Redemtion and Evolution while Walters wrote the story of all the comics. But you're right, I should have added that.

I will say this now. The story in the comics was ok, could have been better, it was the script that sucked because miller did not know the characters. Just wanted to let you know.

[kraidy1117]

Kolos2 wrote...

and other that the sub par comics, has he anything to show as an reference?

Seams like anyone with a bit of imagination can be called a writer nowdays

Yes because oyu know, Jade empire's story is cited as one of Biowares best, or what about Wrex and Garrus? Two characters that are very popular? How about the Krogans? Or the fact that Mac was part of the orginal team and did a good job in both games. You are a drew fanboy.